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Not exactly a quick install....
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Then you may need to restart.
This is too slow. I complete it in 10 minutes.
 
I find it interesting that it didn't ask for any activation, product key, or Office365 subscribe button. It still worked normally before I added my University college account.
Maybe it was because I used the beta? o_O

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I don't require any activation, either, even I remove all apps and reinstall them again.

Maybe this is because I have activated with my personal E3 account.
 
I disagree. If they want you to keep paying, they have to give you value. It isn't like a person can't just download their files and move to an suite at any point. You can stop subscribing at any point, the files won't mysteriously stop working.

Subscription model forces them to work on it continuously instead of making huge features once every three or five years to get everyone to purchase.

If you stop subscribing you can't work with your files.

What's wrong with Creative Cloud? Other than that stupid pop up that takes forever to load when you first start up Photoshop, Adobe's kept it on a pretty even keel, and provided some pretty interesting updates since they went sub only.

Don't get me wrong, I'd also prefer for there to always be a box option available alongside the subscription service, but I don't think going sub only is the absolute end of the world, either.

They got everyone by the balls, if I just need Photoshop, Illustrator, Indesign, before, I could just get design standard suite, now I'm forced to get all the apps for $74.99/month; they offer a discount but only if you sell your soul for 1 year. So in general they are making people pay more, for irregular releases, less flexibility/choice, and it's not convincing how much value they've added to the CC releases over the past 3 years. They can slow down or speed up their development all they want, if they slow down, you will still be paying the same. And you can't stop subscription because you will no longer be able to use your files.

Microsoft is hinting at subscription for Windows too. Imagine if Windows Vista had been in a subscription model, you'd have been forced not just to use it 1-2 years, but also pay for it every month. Contrast that with what actually happened, which is, Windows Vista was released and people didn't buy it, Microsoft didn't get money, and they were forced to work day and night to redeem themselves with Windows 7.

To me it's clear there is fundamentally far less value/innovation in software subscription for the consumer.
 
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Yeah, tell that to Adobe. They still release one major release of CC once a year. And it's the same with Office. We are still on Office 2013 and it's not like they release "cool" new update to the Office every month. All this talk about providing continuous improvement is just a marketing nonsense.

Actually, they've added quite a bit to 2013 since it launched. Maybe not every month, but they're definitely increasing the pace on account of the sub model.

If you stop subscribing



They got everyone by the balls, if I just need Photoshop, Illustrator, Indesign, before, I could just get design standard suite, now I'm forced to get all the apps for $74.99/month; they offer a discount but only if you sell your soul for 1 year. So in general they are making people pay more, for irregular releases, less flexibility/choice, and it's not convincing how much value they've added to the CC releases over the past 3 years. They can slow down or speed up their development all they want, if they slow down, you will still be paying the same. And you can't stop subscription because you will no longer be able to use your files.

Microsoft is hinting at subscription for Windows too. Imagine if Windows Vista had been in a subscription model, you'd have been forced not just to use it 1-2 years, but also pay for it every month. Contrast that with what actually happened, which is, Windows Vista was released and people didn't buy it, Microsoft didn't get money, and they were forced to work day and night to redeem themselves with Windows 7.

To me it's clear there is fundamentally far less value/innovation in software subscription for the consumer.

Where did they hint at a subscription model for Windows and if you stop subscribing what?
 
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They got everyone by the balls, if I just need Photoshop, Illustrator, Indesign, before, I could just get design standard suite, now I'm forced to get all the apps for $74.99/month; they offer a discount but only if you sell your soul for 1 year. So in general they are making people pay more, for irregular releases, less flexibility/choice, and it's not convincing how much value they've added to the CC releases over the past 3 years. They can slow down or speed up their development all they want, if they slow down, you will still be paying the same. And you can't stop subscription because you will no longer be able to use your files.

Microsoft is hinting at subscription for Windows too. Imagine if Windows Vista had been in a subscription model, you'd have been forced not just to use it 1-2 years, but also pay for it every month. Contrast that with what actually happened, which is, Windows Vista was released and people didn't buy it, Microsoft didn't get money, and they were forced to work day and night to redeem themselves with Windows 7.

To me it's clear there is fundamentally far less value/innovation in software subscription for the consumer.
But things are also simple. If customers don't think this software is working great, they can cancel subscription, and use something alternative to do the same thing.

Cancel subscription doesn't mean files "would not work".

Break one time payment into monthly payment is sometimes a better choice for me because I don't need to wait months or even years to earn enough money to buy those software, in one time payment basis.
 

Nothing about what they've said even remotely suggests subscription. They've said you'd get free support for the lifetime of the device. How can it be subscription and free at the same time? Seriously, the only people who got subscription out of it are supposed journalists who wanted click bait.

That, and people who didn't go to real journalists with integrity. Microsoft has said a lot of things, and the full lines completely disavow the notion of subscription.
 
I am now a solid subscription user, with office 365, adobe CC, and New Scientist, The Economist subscription. Neither of them are cheap.

For Office 365, I need to use Office on more than 2 or even 3 devices if not more, and I use office on iPhone and iPad as well. Standalone purchase is way too expensive for me.

For other advantage of Office 365, I have a site, 1TB storage, a Newsfeed, enterprise level insurance, and more.

Therefore sub is a great choice for me.
 
Nothing about what they've said even remotely suggests subscription. They've said you'd get free support for the lifetime of the device. How can it be subscription and free at the same time? Seriously, the only people who got subscription out of it are supposed journalists who wanted click bait.

That, and people who didn't go to real journalists with integrity. Microsoft has said a lot of things, and the full lines completely disavow the notion of subscription.

Here's another interesting article that suggests subscriptions in the future: http://arstechnica.com/information-...-makes-a-nod-to-subscriptions-for-windows-10/
 
Here's another interesting article that suggests subscriptions in the future: http://arstechnica.com/information-...-makes-a-nod-to-subscriptions-for-windows-10/

It was rumored early on that MS might go subscription with Windows, especially with some of the words and phrases they've bandied about. But they've since gone on record stating that it's something they're never going to do. You go out, buy Windows, and you get free upgrades for as long as you own that PC. For instance, you won't have to pay for an upgrade to Windows 11 from Windows 10, like you would going from Vista to 7 to 8, but if you get a new computer, you need to buy a new license.

I'll say this much though, if MS does go back on this promise, and I have to pay a monthly fee just to turn on my computer, I'll never buy another MS product again.
 
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Office 365 Subs, have given free access to 5 users on my account. So between us for few $ a month we are using the latest Office on 5 iPads, iPhones & Macs, splitting the cost amongst us. Not bad at all!
 
Here's another interesting article that suggests subscriptions in the future: http://arstechnica.com/information-...-makes-a-nod-to-subscriptions-for-windows-10/

People can take things out of context as much as they want. Windows 10 will be supported for free for the lifetime of the device. They have said that in plain English.

http://www.pcgamer.com/microsoft-windows-10-will-not-be-sold-as-a-subscription/
http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2015/06/17/windows-10-free-for-1-year-what-happens-next/

When they talk about additional revenue methods, they're talking about Groove Music, Office 365, and so forth.
 
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Has the slow, chunky weirdness of scrolling via mousewheel in Word been ironed out? I was using the last preview and that kept me from using it.
 
Lets hope they keep offering that option in the long term. As we've seen with Adobe, which is one of the most prominent software companies, they've gone subscription-only and we are seeing the consequences now.

The consequences that now everyone who wanted Photoshop but couldn't afford it, now can thanks to a small monthly charge? Adobe know what they are doing.

I got in on a Adobe Photoshop/Lightroom promotion for £7.99 a month or £79.99 per year if you pay in one instalment. That's a bargain in anyone's book when Photoshop on it's own used to cost nearly £700 in the UK and you were stuck on that version with no chance of any free upgrades. With my subscription I've now got the latest 2015 CC editions and I couldn't be happier with the deal.

People just enjoy moaning for the sake of it. Other people love these kind of deals where it makes software more affordable.
 
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The consequences that now everyone who wanted Photoshop but couldn't afford it, now can thanks to a small monthly charge? Adobe know what they are doing.

I got in on a Adobe Photoshop/Lightroom promotion for £7.99 a month or £79.99 per year if you pay in one instalment. That's a bargain in anyone's book when Photoshop on it's own used to cost nearly £700 in the UK and you were stuck on that version with no chance of any free upgrades. With my subscription I've now got the latest 2015 CC editions and I couldn't be happier with the deal.

People just enjoy moaning for the sake of it. Other people love these kind of deals where it makes software more affordable.

$50/month for Creative Cloud is more affordable? That's $600 per year. In two years you've spent about enough to have paid for the full version of CS6, depending on where you found it. Then you DON'T HAVE TO PAY FOR WHAT MAY BE MINOR UPDATES. That's nifty if you need all 1,800 Creative Suite apps. I need two or three. At work we mainly use two, and I knew once Creative Cloud came out that we would NEVER AGAIN see another update to our software.

I really hope Apple or someone can develop a similar suite of apps to Photoshop, Illustrator and InDesign. If it could and keep the cost down, Apple might win a bunch of people in graphic design fields who never used half of what those apps had. Adobe knows it's the only real game in that field and is milking everybody for a constant revenue stream. Thankfully for office apps we have at least three alternatives to Office.
 
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downloaded the latest release... opened a ppt to work on, in 5' I ran into 5 problems. closed everything, reopened in office 2011, all works fine.

in my experience, office 2016 takes forever to launch (I'd say 10 bounces on average compared to near instantaneous for 2011), it is very resource hungry, it doesn't bring anything new except a new look and tools you knew were in a certain place have been rearranged, you now have to re-learn where they are
 
Let's hope the final product is better than the beta. I had constant crashing. I know it was beta and it's going to have issues but it was like Microsoft didn't even try to fix any problems.
 
$50/month for Creative Cloud is more affordable? That's $600 per year. In two years you've spent about enough to have paid for the full version of CS6, depending on where you found it.

Here in the UK, Photoshop was always priced at around £500-£600 ($775-$930). Lightroom around £100 ($154) You can see why £7.99 ($12.30) per month is an attractive deal for us to get both...

In Europe and especially UK we pay far more than anyone else for software. We get ripped off!
 
Is anyone else experiencing any lag issues? On both my 2012 iMac and my 2012 MacBook Pro it is really laggy and slow.
Yep. Scrolling is horribly slow and jerky.

Why does Microsoft refuse to use Apple APIs that work so well!

No native autosave, no native smooth scrolling.

We are still left with crappy Microsoft Autosave and scroll code from the 1990s... :-(
 
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After running the betas on Yosemite, this software is in no way shape or form ready for prime time...
Can't agree more! Not ready at all. It's much improved over old versions (prob the best mac office ever) but too many bugs, crashes, and issues. Powerpoint still doesn't let you insert or embed web video, tons of issues with using OneDrive... and performance issues abound (she's slow). Maybe the subscription base is a way for them to round up more beta testers..... but no where near ready.

Once they get several more bug fixes down though, it will be great. It feels very seamless going back and forth between Office 2013 at work and office on my mac now.
 
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