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timmyh

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My understanding is that it's a universal binary for both Intel and Apple Silicon Macs. In other words, it's not native ARM64 code. I've amended the article title for clarification.
 

tagy

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My understanding is that it's a universal binary for both Intel and Apple Silicon Macs. In other words, it's not native ARM64 code. I've amended the article title for clarification.

A universal binary contains native intel and arm code I thought? Rosetta is just for intel only apps?
 
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AbSoluTc

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Appreciate it but it's still not accurate.

The announcement was in regards to the latest release supporting Big Sur (which is the first OS to support AS). Office is still Office. Nothing has changed. They stated in the article that native support for both AS and Intel will be in the future. For now, it's Intel using R2.
 

coredev

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So MS gets this ported to the new silicon very quickly, but Adobe may not have their programs like Photoshop ported until early 2021, great job Adobe, lazy sods.
From the article it seems that they just made sure that office runs fine in Rosetta2. It's not ported to Apple Silicon yet.
 
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timmyh

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A universal binary contains native intel and arm code I thought? Rosetta is just for intel only apps?
I think Microsoft is using the 'universal binary' term to refer to Intel machines. If it contained native code for both Intel x86-64 and ARM64, it would be called Universal 2.
 

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This looked like a hair on my monitor...

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Actually I have just downloaded the fast insider Beta 16.44 and it is in fact Universal Binary - Good job Microsoft :)

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According to Microsoft's press release....

"The first launch of each Office app will take longer as the operating system has to generate optimized code for the Apple Silicon processor. Users will notice that the apps 'bounce' in the dock for approximately 20 seconds while this process completes. Subsequent app launches will be fast."

That seems to indicate that it gets run through Rosetta 2. "Universal" doesn't necessarily indicate that it contains native code for each platform... just that the one binary can be installed on both platforms...

Universal installed on x86 MacOS = run natively.
Universal installed on AS MacOS = first run gets converted.

But given Microsoft's poor track record of clear communication, it is quite possible that they were incorrect.
 

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My understanding is that it's a universal binary for both Intel and Apple Silicon Macs. In other words, it's not native ARM64 code. I've amended the article title for clarification.
Doesn't universal binary mean that there is native ARM code?
 
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James_C

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According to Microsoft's press release....
"The first launch of each Office app will take longer as the operating system has to generate optimized code for the Apple Silicon processor. Users will notice that the apps 'bounce' in the dock for approximately 20 seconds while this process completes. Subsequent app launches will be fast."

That seems to indicate that it gets run through Rosetta 2. "Universal" doesn't necessarily indicate that it contains native code for each platform... just that the one binary can be installed on both platforms...

Universal installed on x86 MacOS = run natively.
Universal installed on AS MacOS = first run gets converted.

But given Microsoft's poor track record of clear communication, it is quite possible that they were incorrect.

Re-Reading the press the release I think they are referring to the current stable release not the first insider Beta release, which after downloading is clearly universal binary - and will run natively on AS.
 
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timmyh

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Doesn't universal binary mean that there is native ARM code?
Not necessarily. The original Universal binary allowed compatibility between Intel and PowerPC architecture slices. The new Universal 2 binaries contain architecture slices compatible with Intel and Apple Silicon.

Granted, Microsoft hasn't been particularly clear on which one it's referring to.
 

tagy

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Not necessarily. The original Universal binary allowed compatibility between Intel and PowerPC architecture slices. The new Universal 2 binaries contain architecture slices compatible with Intel and Apple Silicon.

Granted, Microsoft hasn't been particularly clear on which one it's referring to.
That is correct, but in the current context universal means universal 2. No developer is creating a universal powerpc/intel build.
 
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James_C

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That is correct, but in the current context universal means universal 2. No developer is creating a universal powerpc/intel build.
Yep - If you look at the screenshot above all of the prior releases of Office before 16.44 were labeled 'Intel' and I am running Big Sur RC 2 and even Apples Apps are labeled Universal, even though they must clearly be Universal 2.
 

James_C

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Microsoft has not ported anything yet. They only make use of Rosetta, which Adobe can too - without doing any work.
You are correct the current release is Intel, however you can choose to download the 'Fast Insider' Beta release which is universal binary which will run natively on Apple Silicon. Apple demonstrated an Apple Silicon Mac back in June at WWDC running a native build of Office 365.
 
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Yep - If you look at the screenshot above all of the prior releases of Office before 16.44 were labeled 'Intel' and I am running Big Sur RC 2 and even Apples Apps are labeled Universal, even though they must clearly be Universal 2.
James_C is on the money here - Microsoft tweeted this yesterday (paraphrased): Universal binaries including native ARM is released in beta channel, includes Word, Excel and Powerpoint . Purpose is for early ARM-adopters to test against m1-based hardware. No dates committed for final,
official releases.

I got the Universal 16.44 betas also, they work fine on Intel (obviously ?) if anyone wants to give them spin also.

Edit; OneNote got released in Beta as Universal also (16.44).

Now we just need Microsoft Edge, Teams and Skype for Business then I'm a happy camper come Tuesday next week ?
 
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ArtOfWarfare

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Microsoft, so much potential yet so little progress as a company.
They never really understood what their customers wanted and most importantly what they wanted Microsoft to be.

Leadership matters... cheers to Tim Apple.

I’d say you have that backwards. Tim has little clue what he’s doing. Look at Apple’s revenue breakdown. 55% of it is from the iPhone and iPad. Products Apple introduced in the last five years of Steve’s leadership.

33% of it comes from Services, Home, and Wearables. This category (minus wearables) was started under Steve, and he got it up from nonexistent to 14% in the last 10 years of his life.

The last 11% is the Mac - unchanged from where it was when Tim took over a decade ago, and not really a category Steve did much with in his last five years.

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In contrast, I’d say Satya Nadella knows what’s he’s doing at Microsoft. Under his leadership, they’ve aggressively moved into cloud compute, entered the hardware end of PCs with the Surface, and released Windows 10, which is arguably a better OS than macOS (certainly it was a much bigger leap as far as computer OSs go than anything else seen in the past 15 years.)

Steve Ballmer was an idiot - he couldn’t get out of the way soon enough - but Nadella seems to rival Gates as the biggest influencer of where Microsoft is now.
 
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