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how is that relevant?
It is relevant because people keep going on about the supposedly abysmal build quality of PCs, which is odd given that Macs have often come out of the exact same factories. Currently they're Chinese Intel-based PCs, which doesn't rhyme very well with these "Mercedes" and "Porsche" analogies that keep resurfacing. If it's a German built computer you want, you can get a Siemens PC from their plant in Augsburg...
Man dude, you shouldn't use Honda for PC. You're saying they last longer and hold more value over the years. Use like Kia or Hyundai or even American cars.
I've settled for PC = Honda, Mac = Acura given that the hardware components are the same, out of the same (or neighboring) factories. I give Apple the Acura badge due to the sexier enclosures (alu unibody) and the added bonus of OS X.
 
I think that in the end, one of Microsoft's biggest wins was Apple's Boot Camp. I mean, come one, it ENCOURAGES people to get Windows. As soon as they do, then MS wins! WOOO!

As for The commercial, I will say that Apple dominates in the laptop department. But when it comes to desktops, I will be PC fo life. (unless I can afford a fully kitted our a Mac Pro. Then I would get that for s**ts and giggles.... but still use my desktop)
 
I sense a rebuttal from Apple coming soon. Preview of commercial maybe WWDC? LOL!
If it were up to me, I wouldn't even acknowledge the existence of the Microsoft ads. Why? What's to be gained? If you say anything, people'll just bitch because it'll seem like you're taking a cheap-shot. Also, if you acknowledge them, you're giving them credibility.

Right now, those ads are nothing more than viral junk advertising. It's best to leave them that way.

The rebuttal should only come in the form of more and better Apple advertising.

Besides, what's (whomever that's keynoting WWDC this year) going to say? "Microsoft says Macs are sexy. We agree." ? There's nothing in these ads that's worth dredging up. Let them go. It's worthless even thinking about responding to them.
 
The mobo in your Apple, who do you think most likely made it. Apple or Asustek?

You should be asking 'The mobo in your Apple, who do you think most likely DESIGN it.' it does not matter that much as whom manufacture it, it has to do alot with whom designed it.. A well designed product is alway easier to manufacture.
 
In fairness, I stopped gaming only this generation after becoming completely and utterly bored with the repetitive nature of the industry these days.

Console gaming has surpassed PC gaming, there's no denying that. The sales figures for console gaming continue to grow at an alarming rate annually, surpassing the movie industry regardless of whatever Blockbuster is released.

That's the facts.

PC gaming has retained it's "underground" appeal, where gamers with eyes only for the PC continue to strive for the greatest "rig" to showcase the latest games. However, consoles like the PlayStation 3 are now beginning to kick into their stride after a slow start, with Killzone 2 and Uncharted 2 in particular bringing a new level of graphical splendor to the platform, surpassing anything done on the system previously.

You mentioned being untethered from the television with PC gaming, by which I presume you're referring to a gaming laptop. While the Alienware and Dell gaming laptops (now one and the same right enough) offer great performance, the real performance in Windows gaming comes from a dedicated tower system utilising larger and more powerful GPU cards.

As I said though, it's a more underground culture these days, populated by gamers who simply refuse to touch a console controller despite the consoles becoming more and more powerful with each generation. Yes you can run Call of Duty 4 at ridiculous resolutions on the PC, but when you sit it side by side with a PS3 running at 1080p on a 51" Samsung, the PC version tends to lose out. Gaming has become an entertainment medium, not a bedroom hobby.

Me personally, I got bored after owning all three of the current generation. My Xbox 360 was replaced no less than 6 times, no matter how well I took care of the thing or how well ventilated I kept it, but the games now are the same ones that were fresh on the original PlayStation because we'd never seen them before on a console or in the home.

In 1995 we'd never had Arcade quality visuals or games like Tekken or Ridge Racer in the home. We'd never had a fully 3D environment to explore like we were introduced to in Tomb Raider, and we'd never raced futuristic hovercrafts in weapon-fueled races like we did in WipEout.

Today we're looking at Tekken 6, Ridge Racer 8, Tomb Raider ?, WipEout 4, Resident Evil 5, etc. It's all the same games but with flashier graphics and some online play added along with HD visuals.

Nowadays I'm more focused on Web Design than gaming, but while I believe I've seen it, done it, and worn the t-shirt ... younger gamers are quite rightly lapping the current generation up.

I played Need For Speed Carbon on my PC tower and alittle while after that played it on my X-Box 360. Yes the difference between the 2 is very noticeable. I love my 360.

Sorry to hear of the bad luck with your 360. This one is my second one. The first one I had I sold it for quick cash about 4 years ago. That one back then worked great. The current one works great too, except when Forza Motorsport 2 crashes it during on-line play, but thats MS for ya....
 
I played Need For Speed Carbon on my PC tower and alittle while after that played it on my X-Box 360. Yes the difference between the 2 is very noticeable. I love my 360.

Sorry to hear of the bad luck with your 360. This one is my second one. The first one I had I sold it for quick cash about 4 years ago. That one back then worked great. The current one works great too, except when Forza Motorsport 2 crashes it during on-line play, but thats MS for ya....

As I said mate, I used to be a huge gamer ... the latest console would be pre-ordered or, in earlier cases such as the PS2 and Dreamcast, imported from Japan on launch. I just feel like I've seen it and done it all now, the games are the same ones but with flashier graphics, there's nothing "new" anymore.

When the PlayStation and Saturn launched in 1995, there had never been proper 3D gaming in the home before. The PC didn't even get Direct X until 1996 and the first mainstream 3D accelerator card, the 3dfx Voodoo, didn't appear until the same year.
 
You call osx an "added bonus?" What about the fact that osx is based on a unix platform?

and what about the fact that no one else has managed to get a unix based OS into the mainstream. there are alot of linux clones, and ubuntu is getting popular, but the constant use of scripts and text files for setting up preferences is *****. no one has made unix as usable as apple.

people are saying MS should go to unix, because they can't write an OS for ****. and i by the time snow leopard is out, it'll be the ONLY os with integrated GPU support for data.
 
You should be asking 'The mobo in your Apple, who do you think most likely DESIGN it.' it does not matter that much as whom manufacture it, it has to do alot with whom designed it.. A well designed product is alway easier to manufacture.

A good designer consults his manufacturers to make sure that the design is manufacturable to the desired standards. i.e. the design may be from Apple in California, but it includes plenty of support and input from Intel, as well as the contract manufacturers in China Quanta, Asustek and Foxconn. The same companies that manufacture everybody else's notebooks too.

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He only looked at ONE Mac. And even though Macs are aesthetically cool, they still kick PC butt. He is definitely not tech savvy. Unless he means tech savvy as in how to remove viruses, how to not get frustrated, how to kick a PC out the window. The MacBook is plenty portable and under $1500. That thing he choose weights like 6 lbs. A MacBook is like 4 lbs and it's aluminum and much thinner.
 
You call osx an "added bonus?" What about the fact that osx is based on a unix platform?
I don't care what it's based on. For me personally, OS X is an added bonus that comes with buying an Intel-based PC from Apple (or "Mac", as some call it). I use OS X occasionally for compatibility testing of web stuff and Flash animations I create in Windows. I also make icons and GUI elements for applications that run on both PC and Mac, and I need to see how they look in OS X. That's all the use I have for OS X, really. Ergo, it's an added bonus, but not a primary selling point.
 
1366 x 768 resolution on a 16" display is pathetic for 2009. This is not 2004 for crying out loud.

I wonder what the other OEMs think of MSFT pushing the HP brand?
 
On another note, I "converted" my Father in Law to Mac slowly but surely over the past 18 months or so. Despite him buying a brand new Packard Bell 17" laptop running Vista Home Premium, he's less than impressed with the performance of it.

Today he asked if I was interested in selling my 'old' 17" white iMac I recently replaced with this 20" alu/glass iMac. He offered me £300 for it and he's extremely happy, so much so that he's set about moving all his photographs (he's a Freelance Digital Photographer) to an external 1TB hard drive for transfer to the iMac when I get it all cleared out for him.

My wife had previously laid claim to my old iMac, but after saying she had no real need for it, it made perfect sense to sell it on. My Father in Law has always been impressed with the Mac when he seen me working on it, and he's very interested in iPhoto 09 after seeing the new "Faces" feature on the UK's Gadget Show yesterday where the iMac beat the Sony Vaio and HP Touchsmart all-in-one's in three fields; looks, build, and performance.

And I'm £300 better off. :D
 
I don't care what it's based on. For me personally, OS X is an added bonus that comes with buying an Intel-based PC from Apple (or "Mac", as some call it). I use OS X occasionally for compatibility testing of web stuff and Flash animations I create in Windows. I also make icons and GUI elements for applications that run on both PC and Mac, and I need to see how they look in OS X. That's all the use I have for OS X, really. Ergo, it's an added bonus, but not a primary selling point.

Wrong.

An added bonus, by term alone, is something non-essential but included.

OS X is the Mac's operating system and is therefore an essential part of the computer.

I can vaguely see the point you're trying to make, but it's an appalling attempt at doing so.
 
I think that in the end, one of Microsoft's biggest wins was Apple's Boot Camp. I mean, come one, it ENCOURAGES people to get Windows. As soon as they do, then MS wins! WOOO!

As for The commercial, I will say that Apple dominates in the laptop department. But when it comes to desktops, I will be PC fo life. (unless I can afford a fully kitted our a Mac Pro. Then I would get that for s**ts and giggles.... but still use my desktop)

A fully decked out Mac Pro would stomp the crap out of any other desktop PC.

I just did some Fiber Optic work in a local College, so I got to see what all they are running in there server rooms and what not. They are all Dell PC's at the work station end, and HP switches and servers. In there music lab they are ALL iMacs running on Mac OS X 10.4 . There Print shop has 5 Mac Pro's and 3 older Mac Desk top towers
 

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The reason why ms produces trash is because the economy is based on consumer spending. If people weren't going to the mall and buying cheap junk, and then throwing it away when it breaks; then going to the mall and repeating the process, where would ms be right now?

One of the reasons I got a mac was because it was against the popular trend.
 
You know, I'd actually be kinda scared to do these Microsoft ads. I'd be thinking like, "Instead of just being some random actor in a commercial, I'm gonna get background checked and stalked by creepy people online just because I'm putting myself in the middle of a fanboy war. O_O"
 
The reason why ms produces trash is because the economy is based on consumer spending. If people weren't going to the mall and buying cheap junk, and then throwing it away when it breaks; then going to the mall and repeating the process, where would ms be right now?
Um... Redmond, Washington?

I've been around long enough to know Microsoft's never been about innovation or excellence. They are what they have always been: a two-bit software company that can't stand one bit of competition.

EDIT: If what you say is true, then what's Apple's excuse for making decent products that people want?
 
You know, I'd actually be kinda scared to do these Microsoft ads. I'd be thinking like, "Instead of just being some random actor in a commercial, I'm gonna get background checked and stalked by creepy people online just because I'm putting myself in the middle of a fanboy war. O_O"

yeah justin long is suffering because it ;P
 
1366 x 768 resolution on a 16" display is pathetic for 2009. This is not 2004 for crying out loud.
Screen resolution is thin ice if you plan on using it as an argument for Mac. It wasn't that long ago that the MBP 17" only had a puny 1680x1050, and the MBP 15" still only has 1440x900 which is laughable given that PC manufacturers like Dell have offered 1680x1050 and 1920x1200 options on their 15" machines for ages. I got my first 15", 1680x1050 machine in 2003, when the PowerBook G4 15" shipped with a 1280x854 screen.

I agree that 1366x768 is pathetic, but this is a 16:9 monitor intended for watching movies, this isn't some mobile workstation with a 16:10 screen. Good luck getting a 2004 laptop with a 16:9 screen.
 
Wrong.

An added bonus, by term alone, is something non-essential but included.

OS X is the Mac's operating system and is therefore an essential part of the computer.

I can vaguely see the point you're trying to make, but it's an appalling attempt at doing so.


Yeah, the Mac OS is the reason I'm a mac user.

Hardware goodies like backlit keyboards, magsafe power cords, and super duper multitouch support are BONUSES.
 
Haha

I like how he said he wanted battery life when the mac pro has a 8 hour batt life and he said he likes the camera, which is only popular because of the mac. And the main reason Mac is more expensive is because of it's ease of use and reliability, not the mention the best and the sexiest OS, AND iLIFE!!!!!! :cool: Photo organization by facial recognition, with photo editing, a PERFECT home movie editor, garageBand for music editing which is great when you know how to use it, that is what you are paying for. NOT to mention updates on all of their programs and FREE security updates :D And many other things that you are paying for like the genius feature in iTunes. Vista was a failed attempt at trying to copy MAC OS X :( MS is a huge failure how many years has the 360 been out and they are STILL trying to fix the red rings of DEATH! :confused: sad, when Mac needs a bug fix they work on it 24/7 until it is done, just look at the iPhone, only the first day was their problems and sense then...NONE!!! My dad has had his mac for over 5 years and it runs the newest OS beautifully. SO if you want a piece of CRAP for only 300 less and thousands of headaches more then you can by all means try to be persuaded by this commercial.

:apple:

This makes me laugh at how truly desperate Microsoft is :p hahahahahaha!!!
 
I do not think you can compare this HP with MB. It is completely different category. I think their main target is MB Pro which costs more than $1500 and has got lower specs regarding memory, hd capacity and graphics card memory. But MB Pro has got a far better screen, better construction (Aluminum), smaller dimensions and weight and of course the OS is superior. I also think that Apple will revamp before summer the specs of their MB Pro and the difference will be eliminated.
Finally we all know that Apple never claimed to be cheap.
 
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