Microsoft Releases Second 'Laptop Hunters' Commercial

[Anuba]

Wrong.

An added bonus, by term alone, is something non-essential but included.

OS X is the Mac's operating system and is therefore an essential part of the computer.

I can vaguely see the point you're trying to make, but it's an appalling attempt at doing so.

When I start a post with "For me personally...", you don't get to respond "Wrong". For me personally, OS X is an added bonus, nothing more. For you, it might be heaven. For some other guy named Rico, Gumbo or Harpo, it might be pretty colors, a killer Unix environment, hell, or a glorified DVD player.

 

[MarkSTi04]

The mindless term does come into play. Seeing that the military here in the US is still using PC's is beyond me. I talked to a Sergeant the other day and told him Im into computers and said I have a Mac Book Pro. He looked at me funny when I said that because I told him I loved it and that I havent used my PC in over a month. I didnt care to really ask why they are still using PC's because I didnt want to lose my job or become a security issue even though I was in a low security area.....

 

[jbgh]

Numbers don't lie, and the numbers are on Apple's side right now. They have the highest stock price and are growing market share, even in a down economy. Like or not, their business model works - arguably better than their competitors models do.

you do know having a higher stock price isnt how it works right?

every single company has a different number of shares outstanding and one of your shares being worth $115 doesnt mean your company is better than microsoft at $18

 

[xifu]

It Happened Before, It Will Happen Again. Ad Nauseum.

Why must you people re-hash the same arguments that have been going on since 1984?

Microsoft wants profit and so does Apple. They will do whatever they can (marketing, corporate espionage, and cut corners/cost) to make money. If you like Windows, good for you. If you like Macs or any other OS, good for you, too. Let's just leave it at that.

I use all operating systems. I like Windows because of gaming. I like Macs because of ease of use. I like Linux/BSD/Plan 9 because they are F/OSS and geektastic.

 

[mosx]

Looks like it's time to lay the smack down again.

Viruses? This isn't Windows 95 era any more. To get a virus now the user has to actively download, install, and run the any malicious software. IE7, IE8, Firefox, XP SP2 (comin up on 5 years old now!), SP3, and Vista (with or without SP1) all give the user multiple warnings and stop software from being installed without the users consent. So this virus nonsense all the Apple fanboys speak of is just that, nonsense.

Second: build quality. From my experience, HP's build quality is far beyond Apple's. On my third MacBook now thanks to Apple's build quality and shoddy repair practices.

The fact is, this add showed that you can get an equal spec system compared to a MacBook Pro for less than half the cost. This thing is equal to the $2,499 MacBook Pro in nearly every way accept looks and it cost only $100 more than the cheap plastic MacBook.

Its hilarious how Apple fans are getting so up in arms over these ads. These ads are 100% completely true, even if they are staged. Not like Apple's very misleading ads filled with false information and half-truths.

 

[mdriftmeyer]

My biggest qualm with these ads is...

MICROSOFT DOESN'T MAKE HARDWARE.

If the PC manufacturers wanted to compare prices, they would. The software retards in Redmond need to be concerned about what they actually do for a living.

Or perhaps they've simply given up on Vista, are acknowledging that they can't even come up with a campaign to have it even compare to OS X, and are forced to resort to sell OEMs computers FOR them... even though they INCLUDE Vista.

Expect this to be exploited by Apple in future ads. Expect the sarcasm to be rampant about the Hardware Microsoft makes to compete with Apple.

 

[yossim]

The mindless term does come into play. Seeing that the military here in the US is still using PC's is beyond me. I talked to a Sergeant the other day and told him Im into computers and said I have a Mac Book Pro. He looked at me funny when I said that because I told him I loved it and that I havent used my PC in over a month. I didnt care to really ask why they are still using PC's because I didnt want to lose my job or become a security issue even though I was in a low security area.....

It's probably because ms and our politicians seem to have bonded.

 

[WeegieMac]

When I start a post with "For me personally...", you don't get to respond "Wrong". For me personally, OS X is an added bonus, nothing more. For you, it might be heaven. For some other guy named Rico, Gumbo or Harpo, it might be pretty colors, a killer Unix environment, hell, or a glorified DVD player.

Listen pal, I get to post whatever I want. Ok?

There's a few people on here, a good few, who are getting a little pissed off at your one-sided, hypocritical, crap on here.

You fail to contribute anything factual, content wise or argument wise. You simply post your own little opinions, but with a tone that suggests you expect them to be listened to with all ears, and God forbid anyone disagree.

You're not here to debate, you're here to dictate. That much is perfectly clear. The fact you steer away from the posters who post longer, factual based posts, and focus instead on weaker posts (especially those with car analogies) to make your petty little points against the Mac and OS X.

 

[Gonzo3333]

Saving for a laptop?

I wonder if anybody ever saves up to get exactly what they want (in terms of laptops). I saved up for 4 months to get a laptop, looking at various brands and specs. My ultimate decision came down to this: do I want to combat Microsoft Windows Vista for the life of the machine, or do I want a more enjoyable experience using my new device? I ended up saving for the MacBook 13" but ended up buying a MacBook Pro 15". I chose the more enjoyable experience because I was tired of all the BS that came with owning anything Microsoft related. Granted it cost more money and took longer to save up for but I almost got everything I wanted. I guess it kind of bothers me to see people buy something that they will be using on a regular basis on impulse and initial cost. People should wake up and say "do I really need to have this today?", or should I save up some money and get something that will fit my needs for the future. In the end people will make uninformed decisions on impulse and "looks". I just hope the two people that were selected for the commercials get the most out of their respected computers, and wish them luck making other "big purchases" in the future.

 

[yossim]

Looks like it's time to lay the smack down again.

Viruses? This isn't Windows 95 era any more. To get a virus now the user has to actively download, install, and run the any malicious software. IE7, IE8, Firefox, XP SP2 (comin up on 5 years old now!), SP3, and Vista (with or without SP1) all give the user multiple warnings and stop software from being installed without the users consent. So this virus nonsense all the Apple fanboys speak of is just that, nonsense.

Second: build quality. From my experience, HP's build quality is far beyond Apple's. On my third MacBook now thanks to Apple's build quality and shoddy repair practices.

The fact is, this add showed that you can get an equal spec system compared to a MacBook Pro for less than half the cost. This thing is equal to the $2,499 MacBook Pro in nearly every way accept looks and it cost only $100 more than the cheap plastic MacBook.

Its hilarious how Apple fans are getting so up in arms over these ads. These ads are 100% completely true, even if they are staged. Not like Apple's very misleading ads filled with false information and half-truths.

Could you give me some example of some of these "half truths?"

 

[WeegieMac]

Looks like it's time to lay the smack down again.

Viruses? This isn't Windows 95 era any more. To get a virus now the user has to actively download, install, and run the any malicious software. IE7, IE8, Firefox, XP SP2 (comin up on 5 years old now!), SP3, and Vista (with or without SP1) all give the user multiple warnings and stop software from being installed without the users consent. So this virus nonsense all the Apple fanboys speak of is just that, nonsense.

Second: build quality. From my experience, HP's build quality is far beyond Apple's. On my third MacBook now thanks to Apple's build quality and shoddy repair practices.

The fact is, this add showed that you can get an equal spec system compared to a MacBook Pro for less than half the cost. This thing is equal to the $2,499 MacBook Pro in nearly every way accept looks and it cost only $100 more than the cheap plastic MacBook.

Its hilarious how Apple fans are getting so up in arms over these ads. These ads are 100% completely true, even if they are staged. Not like Apple's very misleading ads filled with false information and half-truths.

Oh, please ... not you again, "Mr Multi-Quote".

Mac users are not up in arms over the adverts, well I'm not anyway ... I've said this numerous times in the thread, yet not a single Windows user has chosen to quote and debate with me. I'm just pissed at the attitude of certain Windows users who seem hell bent on picking and choosing the replies which "suit" their argument creation the best.

Adverts don't sway me with products, they never have and never will.

I prefer Cadbury chocolate to Nestle chocolate, not because Cadbury's advert for my favourite bar featured a sultry talking female rabbit, but because I tried both and believe Nestle's taste like plastic (in my opinion).

I prefer a pint of Heineken to a pint of Carling, not because Heineken sponsor the Champions League, but because Carling is the most bitter, drink culture aimed tasting drink known to man (in my opinion).

I could go on with these for hours ... do you get my point?

Probably not.

 

[KnightWRX]

Looks like it's time to lay the smack down again.

Viruses? This isn't Windows 95 era any more. To get a virus now the user has to actively download, install, and run the any malicious software. IE7, IE8, Firefox, XP SP2 (comin up on 5 years old now!), SP3, and Vista (with or without SP1) all give the user multiple warnings and stop software from being installed without the users consent. So this virus nonsense all the Apple fanboys speak of is just that, nonsense.

Conficker owns you. It's a network spreading virus/trojan that requires 0 user intervention. Just like Code Red and Nimda before it, which impacted Windows 2000 mostly (through a vulnerability in IIS) but also Windows XP.

Virus are not a thing of the "Windows 95" era, no matter how much you want it so.

 

[mosx]

Could you give me some example of some of these "half truths?"

Let's see...

first, saying Windows is all work no play. That's funny because Windows has built-in support for HDTV tuners (multiple tuners), it has the industry standard API for 3D gaming, gaming hardware that is far more powerful than the current consoles only runs under Windows thanks to Apple not supporting them via drivers (Apple writes the drivers for OS X, not nvidia or ATI), Windows has better support for movies (full bitstream decoding) as well as support for blu-ray and HD DVD discs. Windows PCs tend to have HDMI as a standard feature, so connecting that more powerful than the MacBook Pro system that cost half as much and has blu-ray to your HDTV is a snap, with no need for a mess of dongles, adapters, and cables.

Also, their "Vista has problems" ads. I've been using Vista since launch, and even used the public betas before that, and never once had a single issue with anything on any of the multiple systems I've used it on. I've used it on 3 different Macs and 4 different PCs and none of them have had any kind of issue. Funny enough, Vista with the Boot Camp betas was more stable than Tiger and Leopard on the same machine.

Shall I go on?

Oh, please ... not you again, "Mr Multi-Quote".

Mac users are not up in arms over the adverts, well I'm not anyway ... I've said this numerous times in the thread, yet not a single Windows user has chosen to quote and debate with me. I'm just pissed at the attitude of certain Windows users who seem hell bent on picking and choosing the replies which "suit" their argument creation the best.

Adverts don't sway me with products, they never have and never will.

I prefer Cadbury chocolate to Nestle chocolate, not because Cadbury's advert for my favourite bar featured a sultry talking female rabbit, but because I tried both and believe Nestle's taste like plastic (in my opinion).

I prefer a pint of Heineken to a pint of Carling, not because Heineken sponsor the Champions League, but because Carling is the most bitter, drink culture aimed tasting drink known to man (in my opinion).

I could go on with these for hours ... do you get my point?

Probably not.

Alright, so what is it you want to debate?

 

[WeegieMac]

Shall I go on?

Please don't ... you uncharismatic bore.

 

[mosx]

Conficker owns you. It's a network spreading virus/trojan that requires 0 user intervention. Just like Code Red and Nimda before it, which impacted Windows 2000 mostly (through a vulnerability in IIS) but also Windows XP.

Virus are not a thing of the "Windows 95" era, no matter how much you want it so.

Windows Firewall> ON or Firewall in your router set to on and you're safe.

 

[caspartheghost]

I've been a Mac user and lover since 1992, but I gotta be honest, on pure tech specs I do think the current MacBooks come off quite badly in these comparisons. Yes, of course the OS is vastly superior, but I think it's hard for Apple to justify shipping a $1300 'base' MacBook with a 160GB drive. You can talk about bus speeds and so on till the cows come home - something as fundamental as storage space should be much better than it currently is out of the box.

 

[mosx]

Please don't ... you uncharismatic bore.

Wow someones mad that Apple is getting shown to be what it really is The Bose of computing.

 

[KnightWRX]

Windows Firewall> ON or Firewall in your router set to on and you're safe.

Funny, millions of computers still got infected. It's a reality, in Windows you need all those different security software. OS X and Linux don't because you can configure them to have exactly 0 listening network services.

 

[WeegieMac]

Alright, so what is it you want to debate?

You come up with a balanced, perfectly valid argument about why you prefer Windows to OS X, providing you have plentiful experience of both, without resorting to snide digs, and we'll get somewhere.

Wow someones mad that Apple is getting shown to be what it really is The Bose of computing.

You just proved my point. Did you read my previous post? I believe you did because you quoted it and asked a question, or did you only read part of it.

I don't give a toss about advertising, brand opinion, brand coolness, brand awareness, etc.

I use what I like based on personal needs and experience. I don't care if people like you don't like Apple, I'll still use and buy their computers.

Comprende?

 

[Anuba]

Listen pal, I get to post whatever I want. Ok?

Of course, but you're guaranteed to make a fool of yourself if you try to dictate that someone's personal taste is "wrong", since it implies that you don't know the difference between the subjective and the objective. That's something you'd might expect from a cat, maybe, but not a human.

I've been using computers since the early 80's -- Sinclair ZX81 and Spectrum, C64, Amiga, Atari ST, Atari Falcon, Mac Classic, Mac Performa, 486, Pentium II, II, IV, PPC, Mactel, and whatever operating systems these platforms have run over the years. I've worked in software development, graphic design, e-learning, audio design and music production. I currently use two PCs that run Vista and two Macs running OS X. And for me personally, OS X is an added bonus. It's perfectly alright to work with, but also something I can live without.

You fail to contribute anything factual, content wise or argument wise.

Wrong. But you're entitled to your subjective opinion.

You simply post your own little opinions, but with a tone that suggests you expect them to be listened to with all ears, and God forbid anyone disagree.

Are you talking to me or a mirror? Hard to tell.

You're not here to debate, you're here to dictate.

What a load of utter drivel. It is inferred by the very nature of a discussion forum that we're all here to debate, and nobody gets to dictate anything, excluding moderators.

 

[zephead]

yeah justin long is suffering because it ;P

Him too, kinda, but I mostly meant Lauren. I don't think she signed up to be a recurring character like Justin Long, she probably just wanted to do the one commercial and get her paycheck. But now all of us cybergeeks are basically cyberstalking her because of the one commercial she did, and that's what's a little unnerving.

 

[dsnort]

Looks like it's time to lay the smack down again.

Smack down? You hit nothing but air brother!

Viruses?

Viruses? Not so much. Never had a big prob with viruses on any of my XP machines. Now if I could only figure out why the OS decided to devour itself, and over time became unstable and important features, ( like System Restore ), stopped working, I'd be fine with Windows.

Second: build quality. From my experience, HP's build quality is far beyond Apple's. On my third MacBook now thanks to Apple's build quality and shoddy repair practices.

Oh my gosh, if only the empirical data of satisfaction surveys agreed with you!

The fact is, this add showed that you can get an equal spec system compared to a MacBook Pro for less than half the cost. This thing is equal to the $2,499 MacBook Pro in nearly every way accept looks and it cost only $100 more than the cheap plastic MacBook.

PC's are cheap because they need to be. After all, one "beige box" running Windows on ABC chip set is pretty much the same as any other "beige box" running windows on ABC chip set!

 

[yossim]

Let's see...

first, saying Windows is all work no play. That's funny because Windows has built-in support for HDTV tuners (multiple tuners), it has the industry standard API for 3D gaming, gaming hardware that is far more powerful than the current consoles only runs under Windows thanks to Apple not supporting them via drivers (Apple writes the drivers for OS X, not nvidia or ATI), Windows has better support for movies (full bitstream decoding) as well as support for blu-ray and HD DVD discs. Windows PCs tend to have HDMI as a standard feature, so connecting that more powerful than the MacBook Pro system that cost half as much and has blu-ray to your HDTV is a snap, with no need for a mess of dongles, adapters, and cables.

Also, their "Vista has problems" ads. I've been using Vista since launch, and even used the public betas before that, and never once had a single issue with anything on any of the multiple systems I've used it on. I've used it on 3 different Macs and 4 different PCs and none of them have had any kind of issue. Funny enough, Vista with the Boot Camp betas was more stable than Tiger and Leopard on the same machine.

Shall I go on?

You are not the only person out there that uses vista. Everyone that I have talked to that uses/used vista tells me that it is garbage (except for you). So I'm doubtful of it running "better" than Leopard and tiger. Besides, even if they did run better, Apple did design bootcamp.

 

[MarkSTi04]

I wonder if anybody ever saves up to get exactly what they want (in terms of laptops). I saved up for 4 months to get a laptop, looking at various brands and specs. My ultimate decision came down to this: do I want to combat Microsoft Windows Vista for the life of the machine, or do I want a more enjoyable experience using my new device? I ended up saving for the MacBook 13" but ended up buying a MacBook Pro 15". I chose the more enjoyable experience because I was tired of all the BS that came with owning anything Microsoft related. Granted it cost more money and took longer to save up for but I almost got everything I wanted. I guess it kind of bothers me to see people buy something that they will be using on a regular basis on impulse and initial cost. People should wake up and say "do I really need to have this today?", or should I save up some money and get something that will fit my needs for the future. In the end people will make uninformed decisions on impulse and "looks". I just hope the two people that were selected for the commercials get the most out of their respected computers, and wish them luck making other "big purchases" in the future.

Right on! When I decided to get my MBP I was with out a working Laptop and only had the desktop PC. I was limited to when and where I could use the computer. But the good thing is I was able to do my homework on what I wanted to buy. I dont remember how many times I configured a Mac Book and Mac Book Pro on apple.com to compare the price and specs of what I would be getting with just the Mac. I had to make my self try to look at the PC's at the local Best Buy, but I found my self saying that they look and feel cheap. I mean, I felt like I was gonna buy another computer that would break in a year and a half. So I saved up for my Mac Book Pro. When I learned that the Mac Book Pro's were gonna be updated late last year I waited even longer to get mine because I wanted the newest one. In fact I didnt get this one till Febuary 2, 2009.

 

[WeegieMac]

Of course, but you're guaranteed to make a fool of yourself if you try to dictate that someone's personal taste is "wrong", since it implies that you don't know the difference between the subjective and the objective. That's something you'd might expect from a cat, maybe, but not a human.

A somewhat hypocritical response when your one sole "objective" on here seems to be drumming into Mac users that OS X is not what they believe it do be. You, in your very own posts, are questioning the personal taste of others.

I've been using computers since the early 80's -- Sinclair ZX81 and Spectrum, C64, Amiga, Atari ST, Atari Falcon, Mac Classic, Mac Performa, 486, Pentium II, II, IV, PPC, Mactel, and whatever operating systems these platforms have run over the years. I've worked in software development, graphic design, e-learning, audio design and music production. I currently use two PCs that run Vista and two Macs running OS X. And for me personally, OS X is an added bonus.

Very good, an impressive portfolio ... I can check every single platform there off my own list. Your point?

Wrong. But you're entitled to your subjective opinion.

Everything you submit is a one sided argument, and you seem to pick on the weaker posts as to nitpick them and make an example. My issue here, now, is not with your opinion of the Mac, but with you and your attitude in general towards the members of this forum.

Are you talking to me or a mirror? Hard to tell.

I have an authoritative tone, perhaps that comes by being a Father, but the one thing I do have is respect of other people and their opinions. You have thus far shown a gross disrespect for the members of this forum by engaging in mockery and one sided arguments. I have been known to come across as quite pompous in my tone, and that's something I acknowledge but you continually show complete disregard for other people and their opinions on here. Also, usually the first person to use the line above, or a similar version of it in an argument is the one with the problem handling others opinions. Trying to deflect that insecurity back onto me will not fool anyone else either.

What a load of utter drivel. It is inferred by the very nature of a discussion forum that we're all here to debate, and nobody gets to dictate anything, excluding moderators.

I have deducted that you are here to dictate simply from reading your posts and noting the tone in which you refer to any Mac user who "dare" respond. I at least acknowledge my tone, something you thus far have not.

The bottom line is that you are here to stir the pot, nothing more and nothing less. You are not interested in a two sided debate, merely here to gain a rise out of Mac users you sit and smirk at defend their system of choice. In all honesty, you remind me of the kind of people who populated the Computer and Video Game forums when the Saturn and PlayStation just launched and two factions formed, slating one another and giving neither party the room to sensibly respond or listen to one another.

You are, in every sense of the word, a troll.