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The only way Windows can slow down with age is if you install and uninstall a lot of software that doesn't properly remove itself. OS X is no different and I've experienced that first hand, especially when running trial versions of software in the OS.

This is just plain wrong. Trash the App and the only thing leftover generally are the preferences. Whatever is leftover certainly won't slow down the computer. This almost seems like one of those "I don't actually use a Mac but I'll pretend I do and say it doesn't work well" comments.

With Windows you just run ccleaner and disk defrag the same way Onyx and at least one application remover and you'll be fine and this slow down will never happen.

Macs don't need to be defragged. Unix essentially does it automatically.
 
Grrrr are you a microsoft employee out to 'impress' people on apple forums with your chunky old computers ?
No we're just Mac users who are more than happy to point out the reality of things and have the ability to criticize Apple nonetheless. :D

This is just plain wrong. Trash the App and the only thing leftover generally are the preferences. Whatever is leftover certainly won't slow down the computer. This strikes me as one of those "I don't actually use a Mac but I'll pretend I do and say it doesn't work well" comments.
I hope you never take a look into ~/Library or /Library ever then. :eek:

Macs don't need to be defragged. Unix essentially does it automatically.
Not really. More intelligent usage of free space to avoid fragmenting files sure but there's no magic on the fly defragmenting.
 
Yes your right, in the end, Americans seem to always satisfy themselves with the cheap and mediocre.

You got it. That's why these ads are a huge hit. MS will contnue to run more and more of these type ads. They know they have found the perfect message to sway potential buyers. Doesn't matter if Windows is never mentioned. Every PC sale is bank for MS.
 
This is just plain wrong. Trash the App and the only thing leftover generally are the preferences. Whatever is leftover certainly won't slow down the computer. This strikes me as one of those "I don't actually use a Mac but I'll pretend I do and say it doesn't work well" comments.

I've posted pictures of my Mac here before. :rolleyes: And a lot more gets left behind than just that. I remember one time in the past when I used a Parallels trial, even though I ran their uninstaller and manually searched for all the files it left behind, I still had menu entries created by it that wouldn't go away no matter what I did.

Macs don't need to be defragged. Unix essentially does it automatically.

But you still need to run Onyx or other maintenance apps and you need to manually hunt down all the files left behind by uninstalled applications. Quite often theres more than just a single file.

Oh and you're wrong about the file fragmentation. Unix doesn't do it, the file system does. However, it doesn't work the way you make it sound. Files don't necessarily "Fragment" in HFS+, but they can be spread all over the drive in an unorganized way. Which is why defragging apps do exist for OS X.
 
Apple's sales don't concern them nearly as much as the FUD Apple is spreading about them. M$ is happily selling Windows licenses, Office 2008, games, mice, keyboards and XBoxes to Mac users so there's still bucks to be made after they've gone Mac.

But when you have a competitor who gets up on a soapbox on national television every day and declares that your product sucks, which Apple has been doing for years now, you can only sit idly by for so long.

Apple didn't spread FUD. Apple said the truth.
Microsoft is spreading BS. It's trying to convince people that [cheaper] PCs are better than Macs. Which is simply ridiculous.
 
Yes your right, in the end, Americans seem to always satisfy themselves with the cheap and mediocre.

I find this funny. Why? Well, aside from the improper use of "your", the US market is the only market where Apple isn't a fly on Jurassic Park sized pile of crap that is the PC market.

Apple's marketshare is largest here in the US. In the rest of the world, Apple is no more than a fly on that big pile of crap that Dr. Sattler sticks her arms in.
 
Probably because the keyboards on Macs are awful. I hate the keyboard on my UniBody MacBook and I hated the keyboard on my plastic MacBooks. The keyboards on HPs are MUCH better.
if you hate it then through it away and go hug your beloved perfect HP
If you don't have a job at M$ then go, im sure they'd love to have someone like you there
 
Oh and blu-ray movies don't cost $30 any more ;) They're around $20 these days. Blu-ray discs, during their entire life time, have cost NO more than DVDs did at the same point in their life. 10 years ago, when DVD 2 years old coming up on 3, they cost exactly the same as blu-ray discs do now. When DVD was new, the discs were every bit as expensive as blu-ray discs were back in 2006.

Blu-ray's quality is evident on any HD display. From the 13.3" MacBook screen (yes I've used my external drive in Windows on it) to the largest HDTV displays. Theres no reason for Apple to not support it other than to push their own lower quality "HD" movies from iTunes.

Don't take my comments as bashing Blu-ray. I am a Blu-ray supporter and have been since the beginning and I currently own a little over 30 moies/tv shows on Blu-ray. You don't need to sell me on the pricing. A lot of the new release blu-ray are about $25 and if you are talking TV on BR, then that price can easily triple. My point is that Blu-ray movies and tv are meant to be taken advantage of in a theater type setting, which is the whole reason behind HD picture and sound. Watching on your computer seems pointless in order to achieve those settings unless you happen to be using a huge monitor. Also, in case you did not know Apple is on the BDA board of directors so they do support the format even if they have yet to include support on their computers. (Microsoft went with that OTHER format and continues to not be involved with the BDA).
 
No we're just Mac users who are more than happy to point out the reality of things and have the ability to criticize Apple nonetheless. :D

I hope you never take a look into ~/Library or /Library ever then. :eek:

Not really. More intelligent usage of free space to avoid fragmenting files sure but there's no magic on the fly defragmenting.

Actually, this happens with the running if daily, weekly, monthly scripts whuc happens ONLY if you leave your mac on, otherwise you have to run these scripts. If you don't, the system wi slow down and cause longer bootup, shutdown times.
 
Apple didn't spread FUD. Apple said the truth.
Microsoft is spreading FUD. It's trying to convince people that [cheaper] PCs are better than Macs. Which is simply ridiculous.

Apple didn't spread FUD?

Is that why every ad since 2007 has talked about Vista's "problems" which simply don't exist?

Is that why they talk about Windows as all work and no play when its quite the opposite?

Cheaper PCs are better than Macs. I can go to newegg.com and get a notebook PC thats built better than the $2,499 MacBook Pro, has a higher resolution screen, twice the video memory on a more powerful GPU, the same CPU, same RAM, more HDD space on a faster drive, blu-ray, HDMI, card readers, full size ExpressCard, 2 year warranties with accidental damage coverage standard, and included carrying cases all for about half of what that MacBook Pro costs.
 
Don't take my comments as bashing Blu-ray. I am a Blu-ray supporter and have been since the beginning and I currently own a little over 30 moies/tv shows on Blu-ray. You don't need to sell me on the pricing. A lot of the new release blu-ray are about $25 and if you are talking TV on BR, then that price can easily triple. My point is that Blu-ray movies and tv are meant to be taken advantage of in a theater type setting, which is the whole reason behind HD picture and sound. Watching on your computer seems pointless in order to achieve those settings unless you happen to be using a huge monitor. Also, in case you did not know Apple is on the BDA board of directors so they do support the format even if they have yet to include support on their computers.

Up until recently, same thing could be said about DVD. It was designed with home theater in mind as well, and meant to be taken advantage of in that type of setting. That doesn't mean it can't be taken advantage of otherwise.

Windows DVD players do all sorts of neat things to enhance the experience on a small screen and with headphones. Unlike Apple's video players, they take full advantage of the hardware at hand to improve audio and video quality. So even if you do only have a notebook screen to watch a blu-ray disc on, you can still have a great experience. You can still get good sound as long as you have good headphones, since, unlike Apple's players, Windows players will pass the LFE (Subwoofer) channel to your headphones or speakers so you still get all the bass they can reproduce, and it won't toss out sounds like Apple's downmixing, all of the channels will get properly mixed so you hear everything. And you'll still get to see the entire visual improvement.

Not everyone can always watch a movie in a home theater environment, so theres no reason to rob them of the experience where they CAN watch it.
 
I think that is slightly hyperbolic, Anuba. They don't 'spread FUD' or declaring that anybody sucks.
I disagree. They stop short of using the word "sucks", but that's it. Some of Apple's pot shots at Vista and Microsoft are well deserved, certainly, but they do stretch the truth until it snaps in quite a few of their ads and they're not shy about it. There cannot possibly be any other purpose of such ads than to spread Fear, Uncertaindy and Doubt about the competitor's product.

I quite like the designs of their products but I agree that the main downfall with any Apple product is normally the hardware. Although, there are notable exceptions.
Well, the bleeding edge of industrial design comes with a price. Apple tries all sorts of things that nobody has done before, which is guaranteed to generate problems. In this respect they're very reminiscent of French automaker Citroën, who started doing the "think different" thing long before Steve Jobs was born. Incidentally they made the first mass produced unibody car, at a time when people thought such cars would fall apart while driving. They always did everything different, used smart, unique and quirky solutions for every single part of the car. This attracted a Mac-like cult following. The only problem was that their cars always broke down. The constructions that other manufacturers use may be boring and mundane, but there's a reason why they use them: They're known to work.

But they are the status quo. Their message of choice doesn't make any sense. I'm not hitting out at Microsoft for advertising against Mac, I'm hitting out at the advert because they are advertising other brands.
They're advertising the world of Windows, and as Steve Jobs himself pointed out, one of Microsoft's biggest achievements (aside from starting "the first software company") was the way they reached out to other companies, both software and hardware makers, formed alliances and had everyone work in some sort of symbiosis for mutual benefit. Since what was true then remains true today (MS relies on others for the hardware), it makes sense that if they advertise the world of Windows, other companies are part of it. These ads aren't product ads, they're part of the whole "Life without walls" campaign that's supposed to illustrate all the things made possible by the glue that holds them together, Windows. In this particular ad, the example given is that you can step into a store and buy a cheap computer in a tough economy. The next time it can illustrate something entirely different that has nothing to do with buying anything.
 
Actually, this happens with the running if daily, weekly, monthly scripts whuc happens ONLY if you leave your mac on, otherwise you have to run these scripts. If you don't, the system wi slow down and cause longer bootup, shutdown times.
The more you know!

It is nice to know what is run by said scripts. I don't think all that log stuff has anything to do with defragmenting files.
 
Apple didn't spread FUD?

Is that why every ad since 2007 has talked about Vista's "problems" which simply don't exist?

Is that why they talk about Windows as all work and no play when its quite the opposite?

Cheaper PCs are better than Macs. I can go to newegg.com and get a notebook PC thats built better than the $2,499 MacBook Pro, has a higher resolution screen, twice the video memory on a more powerful GPU, the same CPU, same RAM, more HDD space on a faster drive, blu-ray, HDMI, card readers, full size ExpressCard, 2 year warranties with accidental damage coverage standard, and included carrying cases all for about half of what that MacBook Pro costs.

Vista "problems" that don't exist? Vista is so full of problems, I just can't imagine any problem which DOESN'T exist with Vista.
They talk about Windows as all work and no play because that's how is it. Unless you're a complete gaming maniac, you don't waste your money on expensive GPUs, you get a console. And Macs ARE better for "fun" things like video editing and photo editing for beginners than PCs.
Cheaper PCs are not better than Macs. You may get bet hardware, but as long as the OS is Windows...They're very very very, very far from being better than Macs.
 
I don't really mind these ads, and honestly I think they do a pretty good job representing a "normal" consumer.

Price-to-spec wise you'll almost always find that there is a cheaper PC alternative to Macs. It's just the way it is. You can go on about glass trackpads and aluminum unibody enclosures all day long, but for many people these are just irrelevant features that will have no influence on their end decision, at least when the price differences are as large as they are.

Personally my next laptop won't be a Mac, it's going to be a Lenovo T500, because the extra cash I'd have to spend to get a comparable machine from Apple just isn't worth it to me, especially when the T500 offers a faster processor, higher resolution display, bigger battery, 3-year warranty, and the capability to add an internal blu-ray burner at a later date if I so choose because the optical drive is modular. All for $500 less than the comparable baseline 15" MBP. I'd rather spend that money buying a docking station, upgrading the RAM to 4GB, and the hard drive to a 320GB 7200RPM drive.

But that's just me.
 
Apple's products last and stand the test of time? Tell that to my two plastic MacBooks that couldn't even last two full years doing nothing but living on a desk with very little use.

It is worth considering though, that the plastic macbooks when they were first released did have some problems, so you may have got those.

but still in terms of strength, durability, and portability macbook unibody would win
 
Apple said the truth.
Not that I needed any further proof that the line between company and religion is very blurry in your mind, but do you honestly believe that any company speaks the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth in their advertising? Do you also believe that there are shampoos with magic little balls that penetrate your hair and make it come alive?
 
Vista "problems" that don't exist? Vista is so full of problems, I just can't imagine any problem which DOESN'T exist with Vista.
They talk about Windows as all work and no play because that's how is it. Unless you're a complete gaming maniac, you don't waste your money on expensive GPUs, you get a console. And Macs ARE better for "fun" things like video editing and photo editing for beginners than PCs.
Cheaper PCs are not better than Macs. You may get bet hardware, but as long as the OS is Windows...They're very very very, very far from being better than Macs.

And what problems would these be? Again, I've been using Vista since the first public beta and I have NEVER experienced any of the problems that Apple claims Vista has, nor have I ever experienced any problems with Vista at all.

You don't need to spend money on expensive GPUs to play games on a PC. According to nvidia's definition, there are more gaming capable PCs out there and being sold every year than there are game consoles and Mac users.

How is photo editing better on a Mac than on a PC? iPhoto is as slow as a snail at importing pictures and does nothing that built-in Vista software (Photo Gallery) doesn't do, aside from the sometimes working sometimes not facial recognition.

Video editing? That depends. Digital video cameras ship with more powerful video editing software than iMovie, but most Mac users wouldn't know that because that software only supports Windows ;)

The PC gaming audience is definitely a more powerful force in the market than the Mac audience. PC gamers are the sole reason for the speed war started 10 years ago between AMD and Intel, and for the "war" between ATI and nvidia to have the fastest and best GPUs. If not for those people, the speed we have today wouldn't exist.
 
It is worth considering though, that the plastic macbooks when they were first released did have some problems, so you may have got those.

but still in terms of strength, durability, and portability macbook unibody would win

I have an earlier version of the HPs bought in these ads and a UniBody MacBook. The only strong part of the UniBody MacBook is the "topcase", as Apple used to call it on the plastic MacBooks. The actual "unibody". The bottom aluminum casing over the battery and other components and the top case housing the LCD screen is definitely softer than the plastic used on the HPs and will more easily become damaged with time.
 
Vista "problems" that don't exist? Vista is so full of problems, I just can't imagine any problem which DOESN'T exist with Vista.
It was all fun and games to hate on Vista back in the Beta stage. I have to admit that even I did as a staunch XP fan and Mac user. It's time to move on and welcome the year of 2009.
 
These ads are so humorless and bland. Anyone else find their eyes glazing over after 20 seconds or so?

Would you care to name a few?

Vista problems? We encountered one last week. Turns out people where I work buying new Vista machines can't use our existing VPN because Cisco doesn't make a 64-bit version of the VPN software for compatibility with Vista. The solution? Update our hardware and use newer software.

Oh yeah, I know... that's Cisco's fault, right? Well before we jump to that conclusion, let's ask ourselves why a company the size of Cisco would choose not to make a VPN client update for Vista. Doesn't really make much sense, does it? That begs the question of what exactly MS broke in Vista that would cause a company like Cisco to balk at updating their software for it. It also makes you question how much effort MS put into ensuring some path for backward-compatibility, so you could run XP software in Vista.

I've been running the VPN client on my Mac through 10.3 - 10.5 without any problem. Funny that Cisco seems to be able to keep up with their OS X client but doesn't want to do it for Vista's much larger user base.
 
This is just plain wrong. Trash the App and the only thing leftover generally are the preferences. Whatever is leftover certainly won't slow down the computer. This almost seems like one of those "I don't actually use a Mac but I'll pretend I do and say it doesn't work well" comments.
Well, I use Macs and you appear to be talking about Mac circa 1996. Trashing the app doesn't even begin to constitute an uninstall these days, just look at the tons of garbage that Adobe's Creative Suite spreads all over the system. One uninstall I performed didn't so much slow down the computer as it brought it to a full stop (this was the software and drivers for a Yamaha audio device) because the uninstall script glossed over some MIDI thingy that had been installed in the Library, so upon reboot after uninstall, Leopard said hmmm... what's this? It's a part of a whole, but the whole appears to be missing, what do I do? Oh, I know! Let's show a blank blue screen for 12 minutes! A less seasoned user could've looked for the culprit file for 2 months without finding it.

Macs don't need to be defragged. Unix essentially does it automatically.
Correct. Or, rather, it never allows fragmentation to become an issue because it saves the files in continuous blocks. The Windows defragger is there to fix problems created by... drumroll... Windows. Couldn't they have thought of that when they went from FAT32 to NTFS? Sigh.
 
I liked the first ad but didn't like this one. They should have edited out the picky comment. If he really was picky, he wouldn't have bought such a junk machine - for any price.
 
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