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Most people don't have a choice, the majority of the computers they buy come with Vista.

To be fair, Apple users do not have a choice either. When windows 7 comes out PC users will still have the option to decide between vista and windows 7. I never remember Apple giving its users a choice.
 
this rig should be able to play any game and run any application. too bad macs werent more competative, that would force PC makers to be even more competative than they already are
If you were using a Mac, you might see a dotted red line under one of the words you used. Twice. Regarding the "expense", I think its clear you have your facts wrong... so much so, its difficult to see the value in refuting them directly.
yes but seeing the problems reported on THIS WEBSITE alone makes me wonder why bother. it seems they have the same problems as everyone else at the SAME ratio of occurence. remember most PC's only cost HALF of what Macs cost. i want that 2x price to have some kind of reliability rather than looks or brand name
Same rate of occurrence? Really? I'll say this. PCs do NOT cost "half" of what "Macs" cost. This is a wild-eyed inaccurate statement. Said accurately, Macs simply do not offer as much variety as PCs do, thus, forcing consumers to buy a level of hardware they simply may not need. Also, Apple does not alter its prices at the cut-throat rate of the PC industry, often preferring to add features than to arbitrarily abandon a price-point. Steve Jobs made the comment once that: "We do not know how to make a $500 machine that's not a piece of junk, and our DNA won't let us do it." Personally, I'm HAPPY Apple has moved away from only using plastics in their MacBooks. My old Dell Inspiron power adapter overheated, and had to be recalled. My MagSafe power adapter for my MacBook is something absolutely treasured in my experience as a laptop owner. If I could pay to have it added to a Dell or HP, I certainly would consider it strongly.

~ CB
 
yes but seeing the problems reported on THIS WEBSITE alone makes me wonder why bother. it seems they have the same problems as everyone else at the SAME ratio of occurence. remember most PC's only cost HALF of what Macs cost. i want that 2x price to have some kind of reliability rather than looks or brand name

So a poorly written article about a repair shop many of us never heard of and a bunch of belligerent people makes you believe something? Wow.

Not saying you're wrong, but you sure are easily swayed. If I were to base decisions purely on internet forum problems and crappy articles from the Inquirer I'd probably never buy anything.

If you were using a Mac, you might see a dotted red line under one of the words you used. Twice.

Actually Firefox on any platform will spell-check. :D
 
Actually Firefox on any platform will spell-check. :D
This is true. I didn't say otherwise though, right? On the Mac, both of your major browsers will present this feature in the same way, so its more unavoidable. Mac users tend toward Safari like PC users tend toward Internet Explorer. Don't get me started about why I'd prefer Firefox on a PC any day of the week (Safari continues to be a mixed bag, in spite of its advantages).
So a poorly written article about a repair shop many of us never heard of and a bunch of belligerent people makes you believe something? Wow. Not saying you're wrong, but you sure are easily swayed. If I were to base decisions purely on internet forum problems and crappy articles from the Inquirer I'd probably never buy anything.
He's not "easily swayed" I think. Like everyone, he's "biased". I think he does himself a disservice in perpetuating lies, though. Personally, I'm looking forward to a possible future where Microsoft can pull itself together and present a consistent presentation, argument, and philosophy for using its products. There is a distinct lack of cohesion that is readily apparent for many Apple users. It NEEDS to come from Microsoft. Sadly, I don't think Steve Ballmer is the one to make the case.

I was just over a friend's house this week enjoying his Windows Media Center, but noticed he was using a new plug-in that used "Cover Flow" to present his movie covers before viewing. I liked what I saw, but it was more telltale what I didn't see. While I could get a Media Center Experience with Apple for $229 (streaming a multi-terabyte library of music, movies, and TV shows), he was paying well over $600, --though... getting integrated TiVo features he admittedly seldom used.

I couldn't quite figure out where the "savings" or "benefit" was coming from. A simple-to-implement software upgrade from Apple, would enable all existing Apple TVs to download 3rd party "plug-ins" to their systems, activate its USB port, and enable anything from TiVo-like capabilities to games and PC screen mirroring. Apple's whole push to leverage hardware with software is disgustingly consistent. We'll have to see how they're able to ramp up their support and legal liability coverage from patents and content providers crying fowl.

~ CB
 
Well, the ads are what they are.....ads. With the exception of some flaws in the production they are just what they are...ads and I have issue with Microsoft creating these ads although they are certainly not answers to Apple's Vista ads because MS is not even defending Vista or pointing out good things about Windows.

I'm getting quite puzzled by the posts of certain people on this forum. These certain people have been on MR for at least 2 years, have a MBP, iPhone, iPod Touch and such in their sig but makes statements saying, "I'm glad Microsoft is bashing Apple and killing the Mac community". Why are these certain people Apple's customers then? Who's side are they on?? :confused:

Its not about taking sides. If apple makes products that meets my needs I will buy it, I will makes sure i do my research and make an informed choice. Take my MBA, I payed big $$$ but I am really happy with it. Take the new shuffle....I would not touch it with a 10 ft pole, its crap.

Competition is a always a good thing. Without these i doubt i would be using my MBA that I am typing on now.

To be a customer of a brand, you cannot follow them blindly. All companies make lemos...apple has a large list of them. M$ gets is OS wrong every generation or so.
 
funny you say that, i just built a rig for someone that was $798

AMD Phenom II 2.6GHz
4GB PC2-1066 OCZ
640GB HDD
ATi 4870 1GB

this rig should be able to play any game and run any application. too bad macs werent more competative, that would force PC makers to be even more competative than they already are

Try building a laptop. Desktops will continue to disappear in favor on laptops. For those graphics folks who need power and software, the Mac is the only way to go.
 
Client of mine had some problems with a filemaker database and Vista, the unzip program put the filemaker files at default in a system folder. He wasn't aware of any problems and the runtime worked fine.

I recently found out it was installed in a system folder and advised him to move it to the documents folder. When he moved to to another folder the database was empty, it was in its original state. So now the database was gone from the system folder and all we had left was a empty databse. The solution was to do a system restore to get the database back in the systemfolder and export the data.

Maybe its a feature. :/

Again, it's a third party application (FileMaker) and the user but not Vista.
You have to understand that 99% of the issues with any OS (OSX, Windows, Linux etc) are between the keyboard and the chair. 0.9% are third party apps and 0.1% is the system.
 
Great ad.

Apple fanboys up in arms because Microsoft have DARED to do exactly what Apple have been doing for years and years. Only Microsoft are actually basing their ads on real-world, consumer facts and don't sugar coat it with pretentious nonsense like the I'm a mac, I'm a pc ad.

Also amazing how Microsoft have in one campaign completely ruined Apple's "I'm a mac, I'm a PC" slogan.

The apple fanboys bitching and moaning is fun to watch though

You got that right, the one thing I like about the MS commercials is how it causes fan boys to get their panties in a bunch.
 
Microsoft is paying these people for the HP laptops that they are purchasing. HP is paying MS for the plugs and Microsoft sells Window software for both PC and Mac platforms as well as Microsoft office for the Macs. Seriously, blah blah blah. How do these people make a judgement before actually using a Mac? I am a PC user for 25 years. I build PCs. Never wanted a Mac. I switched because I worked near a COMPUSA and Fry's. The only reason I bought a Mac, is becuase everytime I went, I would play with it. Not the ads. I didn't even follow Apple.
When people can say Windows is better or the MacOS is better without even using it, is beyond me.
 
pc = trouble

I have used pc for the last 15 years or so and just recently started using a macbook.
I have to say OSX is sooo much nicer. I specially like the 1 file executable thing and no dll/registry.

anyway i think it is so stupid to compare a piece of art to a crappy HP laptop like this ad show. And ye a 16' laptop is far away from portable as you can get.

Most people i know have pc's today but one after one are getting pissed at vista and even xp since its so easy to get the pc infected. sure its the users fault but if the same user had been using a mac i think it would be much safer tbh. also all the constant update with drivers and compatibility problem is one area normal users dont wanne mess with and forget to take into account when they buy a pc. This is what i always help my friends with but no more. i tell them go to a store and pay the extremly high fee to get it fixed! let them do this a couple of time and i'm sure they run back to the apple store and get the "more" expensive one. Time is money my friends and once you dont have anyone who can help you for "free" you realize whey apple is has a better product.
I have already converted 2 of my friends and they are damn happy so far.

I will still use my pc for games such as WoW but my laptop is what i use for everything else.
 
Try building a laptop. Desktops will continue to disappear in favor on laptops. For those graphics folks who need power and software, the Mac is the only way to go.

Wow you are full of it. Take a look at these two systems, the specs and prices and also remember both run CS4 for us 'graphics folks' so tell me which is the better deal right now.

Mac Pro Quad Core
- 1x 2.66Ghz XEON
- 1x 320GB HD
- GT120 512MB
- 8GB DDR3 (OWC $146)
- 1x 1TB HD (OWC $115)
- Photoshop CS4 limited to 3.5GB Ram
- PRICE = $2,729.27


DELL T3500 WORKSTATION
- 1x 2.66Ghz XEON
- 1x 160 HD
- FX580 512MB
- Vista x64
- DVDRW/CDRW
- 12GB DDR3 1333mhz (Crucial $220)
- 1x 1TB HD (Newegg $110)
- Photoshop CS4 is 64bit / 192GB Ram =)
- PRICE = $1,801.88
 
The point is apple has been using multi-touch for awhile now and too use a new Dell or HP as an example of multi-touch is funny because they are offering things that apple users have had for some time now.

The "funny" examples go the other way, too.

For instance, Jobs acted like Google Maps Mobile was something new and clever on the iPhone. Yet Mobile Maps had been quietly out and in use on other phones for a while.

Who's the first using something doesn't matter a lot. Who shouts about it the most, seems to matter more :)
 
Wow you are full of it. Take a look at these two systems, the specs and prices and also remember both run CS4 for us 'graphics folks' so tell me which is the better deal right now.

Mac Pro Quad Core
- 1x 2.66Ghz XEON
- 1x 320GB HD
- GT120 512MB
- 8GB DDR3 (OWC $146)
- 1x 1TB HD (OWC $115)
- Photoshop CS4 limited to 3.5GB Ram
- PRICE = $2,729.27


DELL T3500 WORKSTATION
- 1x 2.66Ghz XEON
- 1x 160 HD
- FX580 512MB
- Vista x64
- DVDRW/CDRW
- 12GB DDR3 1333mhz (Crucial $220)
- 1x 1TB HD (Newegg $110)
- Photoshop CS4 is 64bit / 192GB Ram =)
- PRICE = $1,801.88

I forgot to add that apparently a shiny box and OSX costs about $927
 
The "funny" examples go the other way, too.

For instance, Jobs acted like Google Maps Mobile was something new and clever on the iPhone. Yet Mobile Maps had been quietly out and in use on other phones for a while.

Who's the first using something doesn't matter a lot. Who shouts about it the most, seems to matter more :)

I think it really comes down to who implements it the best way. I dont know how mobile maps had been used for others phones so I can't say Apple did it best, but its a damn easy tool to use.
 
Well, Gianpaolo might be picky, but if so the only thing he'll be picking is his nose when he runs into the inevitable problems that some of the HPs have demonstrated with Vista as well as the lesser quality of his customer experience when he goes for support.

These ads must be targeted at people who have absolutely no knowledge of computers whatsoever. As in the level of "What's a computer?" Anyone with two halves of a brain to rub together can divine the simplistic approach that these ads evoke, as if they're talking to some idiots.

The solution for these ads is to have Apple come out with a series that illustrates that the Macs run both OS X as well as Windows and in fact do the latter even better than any PC you can name. Therefore, if the Microsoft ads are designed to compete about price or features, you get two computers for the price of one with Macs and you have much greater versatility and reliability.
 
well

You can always buy cheaper pcs than macs, and even with more powerful hardware.

here is an example:

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500GB 7200 rpm HDD, full HD screen, 2.66Ghz Core2 Duo, Mobility Radeon 3650, Blu-Ray playback ready...

All for 1833+tax+shipping for less than the 2.4Ghz 15" Macbook Pro.

But what Microsoft forgets is that you get OSX with macs, you get superior craftsmanship as well as superior materials used for your macs construction. And the design is just minimalist, cool and eye catching. Stuff you always have to pay the price for.
 
Try building a laptop. Desktops will continue to disappear in favor on laptops.

Laptops, though, are hopelessly challenged for I/O compared to an inexpensive mini-tower. (Ignore the Imac, that's a laptop on a stand.)

I doubt that many people will choose to edit and render HD video on a laptop if there's a mini-tower around...
 
As for the scrolling, the speed is adjustable under the preferences>trackpad panel. if you simply don't like two finger scrolling, that's probably just a matter of preference, but the speed is easily adjusted to be made comparable or better than a scroll wheel.

Well see, thats the thing... with a scroll wheel on a mouse you don't need to adjust preferences to get it just right. It's just right depending on how fast you move the wheel. Especially with the MX Revolution.

For Cursor movement, I already agreed that cursor movement is better with a mouse. I just feel the other features outweighed this drawback, although perhaps not for gaming.

What features? The touchpad is definitely insufficient for gaming. Especially with OS X having very little gaming support, you need Windows. It seems that Apple deliberately avoids making proper support for the new touchpads available in Windows, so they're highly inaccurate and tap to click still doesn't work right.

For photo manipulation, i find it faster to use a gesture than to cursor to the button to zoom. not a big difference. but it's the same thing as navigating webpages. some people might find it faster to cursor up to the button, but i find it the exact opposite.

Well, I find that the touchpad doesn't always properly recognize the finger gestures unless they're done just right. So its faster to just flick down with the mouse and tap.

As for browsing the web, most people don't use Safari. Firefox is better in every way, and multi-touch in Firefox isn't supported without unstable hacks.

For zooming, the wheel would be convenient unless you wanted to scroll instead of zoom. i'm sure there's a workaround for that, but i do just fine with the pinching. Rarely am i working with a photo that i need more than two or three gestures to zoom, but i'm not a big time photo editor. and if i were, i would probably have a mouse attached while i'm doing serious work.

Thats why the preview app in OS X needs to work more like it does in Windows and like other photo apps in Windows. click and drag to move around the picture, wheel zooms in or out. That is the number one reason I hate Preview in OS X. The second reason being that it won't let me skim through a whole folder like in Windows, I have to go through and manually select all the pictures/documents I want to preview first.

Perhaps I went too far by calling the mouse unnecessary. What I was trying to say is that this trackpad does more things that a normal trackpad does, and as a result, there are plenty of instances where I can see people using the trackpad at a desk. There's still some places where a mouse is more useful, but still. it's leaps and bounds better. and like i said, often when i'm at a desktop, i feel like i should be able to make gestures...they've ingrained themselves to me. and even when i have a bt mouse connected, my hand ends up on the trackpad more often than not.

Well, thats just you to be honest. Thats certainly not everyone else. Like I said, I've yet to personally meet someone who doesn't have a mouse for their notebook. Especially at a desk. Keeping the system closed is the only way to get OS X to properly support external displays, so the system has to be closed. And when you're at a desk, you have access to far superior equipment like the MX Revolution mouse or even cheaper mice.

Plus, when you're at a desk, why would you want to limit yourself to the MacBook's built in keyboard? Ugh. That things terrible. I've had my MacBook now for about 6 months and the battery only has a few cycles on it precisely because the keyboard is awful and I dread using it.

Of everyone I know who has switched back to Windows PCs from Macs, their second biggest complaint (after weak hardware for the money) was the keyboard.

Once a Mac users gets hooked on software like Garageband and iPhoto, and iMovie, it will be hard to find solutions as integrated (especially with each other) on Windows.

Garageband? M-Audio sells better software with a decent hardware interface to go along with it, all for under $100. iPhoto? Other than unstable face recognition, it doesn't do anything freeware apps and built-in Windows Photo Gallery don't do. iMovie? More powerful video editors ship with digital video cameras making iMovie obsolete.

MARKETSHARE: Apple continues to gain PC marketshare at a rate that, while inconsistent, still poses a threat to Windows dominance in the future.

Apple's marketshare is in the low single digits worldwide and fell last quarter, significantly, in the US.

The tough spot is, that even Mac users running bootcamp or a VM ware solution don't always "count" in their column... and worst, sometimes tire of it, and eventually go to Mac only.

Thats not true. You need Windows on a Mac to even make it useful for things other than browsing the web or syncing your iPhone. I'd have Windows only on my Mac if Apple would push firmware updates through Software Update in Windows.
 
Points...

I enjoy my MacBook Pro.
And I find my desktop PC useful.

And this commercial does have a point.

I did find it annoying that I had to buy the RAM to upgrade my MBP on Amazon.com for $55, because Apple wanted $399 for it.

And the APPLE ram didn't even have an APPLE Logo on it! WTF?!
Or at least I don't think it did - I didn't buy it, so maybe it does.
 
I think it really comes down to who implements it the best way. I dont know how mobile maps had been used for others phones so I can't say Apple did it best, but its a damn easy tool to use.

I don't think implementation matters that much, as Google Maps Mobile is now actually nicer on other phones, IMO. (Apple's version always seems to lag a bit these days.)

The real difference is that Apple included it, and made a big deal of it.

As for the MS ads... I'm not sure why people are so fired up about them. Apple's been making fun of MS computers for a long time now, and we didn't see people go crazy. It's a little surprising it took MS so long to respond.
 
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