Microsoft Releases Windows 11, Mac Virtualization Support Still Seems Unlikely

[Amazing Iceman]

There is more than looks. Simplicity, functionality, convenience, apps...

Simplicity? It disappeared with Windows 8. And the latest build of Windows 10 still had no simplicity. It has a hybrid mix of Settings to manage from the new Settings app and also from the old Control Panel. Many times, deleting an app may not succeed on one, so then you’ll need to try the alternative way.
Hybrid settings, repetitive choices, all mixed up. yuk!

 

[bingaling23]

I have Windows 11 running on my M1 Mac. I don't know where you're getting this from? Unless I'm missing the point of course... I can't sign in with my professional account, which blows. In a previous Insider build I was signed in and could work freely but they've removed that possibility, for who knows what reason. It says my Azyre account is connected but won't let me sign in from it. Microsoft are so tiresome!

 

[bobcomer]

It's absolutely in Parallels' interest to try to establish itself as an "OEM" for the purpose of ARM Windows licensing for their customers.

I agree, that would be best, but the EULA says they would have to sell the hardware it would run on -- so far that doesn't mean virtual -- so that would have to change too.

 

[dtantono]

Isn't WINE a resource hog, and in essence must translate almost all computations before they get processed under the OS

proton translate all of the computation on the fly, and it is quite efficient (just click and play). Besides, you can check here for the list (https://www.protondb.com/). By the way, Some Windows games even runs better with proton compared to Windows counterparts.

 

[Aoligei]

Simplicity? It disappeared with Windows 8. And the latest build of Windows 10 still had no simplicity. It has a hybrid mix of Settings to manage from the new Settings app and also from the old Control Panel. Many times, deleting an app may not succeed on one, so then you’ll need to try the alternative way.
Hybrid settings, repetitive choices, all mixed up. yuk!

I hate the new settings app and I hate MacOS’s Settings app even more. I love the old control panel, it is way better than using stupid settings app, much more familiar and often times you can do staff much faster.

Compare with Control Panel, Settings app on Windows and MacOS is so much useless.

 

[Ubuntu]

I wish MS would get it together. Why not support Windows on Mac. I'm thinking of picking up a new Macbook pro when they come out. I would gadly pay MS to use Windows on a mac!

I imagine that user segment is quite the niche and not worth it.

 

[chucker23n1]

I hate the new settings app and I hate MacOS’s Settings app even more. I love the old control panel, it is way better than using stupid settings app, much more familiar and often times you can do staff much faster.

Compare with Control Panel, Settings app on Windows and MacOS is so much useless.

macOS has a System Preferences app, not Settings, and it's been largely unchanged for over twenty years now.

 

[Mirachan_007]

Some Intel Macs have T2 chip, but TPM(Trusted Platform Module) chip doesn’t.
This means any Macs can’t run Windows 11.

 

[spinedoc77]

I'm a huge microsoft fanboy, but I really disliked Win 11. They copied MacOS and iOS way too much exacerbating my ongoing complaint with Apple's dumbification of all things. I really dislike MacOS' dockbar, for my own workflow it's just really inefficient, thank god for Ubar otherwise I'd be unable to function well when I am forced to use MacOS. Win 11 also dumbified a lot of other things, which they really didn't need to. Overall it just seems like a needless step backwards to "look" more modern.

 

[Aoligei]

macOS has a System Preferences app, not Settings, and it's been largely unchanged for over twenty years now.

Yeah. Sorry. I liked Windows 11, used since beta build. I like the new animations introduced with Windows 11, rounded corners, new Start menu, new underhood changes, include direct storage for gaming etc.

I have already converted all my Hackintosh Build to Windows 11 and Windows 11 on all my Intel Macs

 

[nathansz]

Nothing crashes better than Windows. They have mastered the science of crashing.
So is Windows 11 basically the same good ol’ Windows with a new version number and more blink-blink?
Your GPU may overheat from all the graphical details it needs to render.

i think they’re saying it’s slow and crashy in vmware

it’s perfectly stable, as is windows 10. both are more stable than big sur and monterrey

it’s still windows though. as a 20+ year macos user it’s just painful to look at and use

 

[return2sendai]

It's mostly a visual overhaul. There are some new features, but the core isn't that different. The OS version is in fact still 10.0.



Do we need to?

And, I see no reason to believe this year would be any different: iOS get released in September, and macOS in October.

And my Mac becomes unusable in November.

 

[gank41]

And my Mac becomes unusable in November.

Why?

 

[-BigMac-]

Some Windows games even runs better with proton compared to Windows counterparts.

Curious to see this. Link?

 

[maxoakland]

Windows 11 has a much more attractive UI than Windows 10, which was so ugly I just hated it. It's still annoying how much inconsistency and how often old UIs show through. Not something I'm excited about but I see it and it looks pretty good

You can tell they were very inspired by Big Sur with this release right down to centering the task bar like the dock

 

[MacAddict1978]

I like that Windows remembers how you want the Windows to appear. That’s a nice feature. I think MacOS could do better with that.

One thing that has impressed me in the last 8-10 years is that (except for Outlook) my Windows never crashes. My Mac does. And Windows now crashes elegantly while force quit rarely seems to work. I have not had to force reboot my work Windows machine in 5 years. My Mac maybe monthly (photos).

Mac OS has had awful window management forever. Every time I open finder, it's a game of roulette as to how it feels like displaying it to me or what it feels like remembering I pinned in the side bar. Windows Explorer has always been a feat of ugly, but functionally superior in every way including search. Preview with the space bar was the only advantage of Finder.

I feel like the only reason they don't fix it is disdain to emulating Microsoft in anyway. In this case, they should.

 

[SactoGuy18]

Yes, Windows 10 doesn't have the most beautiful interface, but at least it was a GIGANTIC improvement over what Microsoft tried to foist on us with Windows 8.0 and 8.1. At least much of the UI in Windows 10 is familiar to Windows 7 users.

 

[MacAddict1978]

Windows 11 has a much more attractive UI than Windows 10, which was so ugly I just hated it. It's still annoying how much inconsistency and how often old UIs show through. Not something I'm excited about but I see it and it looks pretty good

You can tell they were very inspired by Big Sur with this release right down to centering the task bar like the dock

This is the remains of Windows 10X the far predates the last couple of MacOS releases, and was already out there first. Probably more Chrome OS inspired if anything.

Centering icons in the task bar is just better design for the eyes vs. looking left/right all the time. You could really argue that the Mac Dock was just a centered version of the Windows Task bar (because it was/is).

If you really take an honest look back, Microsoft would announce new versions of windows a few years out from release and show off what they were working on.... semi translucent windows comes to mine. Apple got them out in a release first, but didn't even touch the concept until after the Longhorn preview.

Mac OS was just always so much more intuitive. Want to email that pic on your desktop? Drag and drop on the mail icon and presto, a compose email window launches with the file attached... one example of many simply elegant things Mac OS had going for it. Windows did totally steal all those little innovations that made the Mac so much of a joy to use in comparison. Windows still sucks with installing and uninstalling apps and lacks the refinement of MacOS. But overall, these days, they both have borrowed from one another heavily that they're not really all that different in the user experience.

 

[MacAddict1978]

Simplicity? It disappeared with Windows 8. And the latest build of Windows 10 still had no simplicity. It has a hybrid mix of Settings to manage from the new Settings app and also from the old Control Panel. Many times, deleting an app may not succeed on one, so then you’ll need to try the alternative way.
Hybrid settings, repetitive choices, all mixed up. yuk!

Simplicity is not a word I have ever heard used in the same sentence as the vile Windows 8 and its schizophrenic UI.

 

[routine_analyst]

Following three months of beta testing, Microsoft has officially released Windows 11, which brings a new design, new multitasking features, and other software additions to the PC-using public.

Perhaps inspired by macOS, the main Windows 11 screen features rounded corners on several interface elements including application windows, and in combination with a new theming system that combines specific wallpapers with colors, the overall design looks modern, with more depth and less clutter than Windows 10, which is now six years old.

In the clearest design change, the refreshed desktop moves the Start menu and taskbar, interface elements that are familiar to all Windows users, to the center of the screen, a location not dissimilar to where the Dock lives in macOS.

The taskbar includes shortcuts to Microsoft's Edge browser, widgets, Teams integration, and File Explorer. Meanwhile, gone are the Live Tiles in the Start menu, which has been stripped down for a cleaner, simpler look, and now houses links to apps and recently used files.

In the bottom-right corner of the screen, the new Action Center and System Tray sports a design reminiscent of the Control Center in the macOS menu bar, and is home to sound, display, Bluetooth, network controls, and pop-out notifications.

Another area where Windows 11 appears to have taken a leaf out of Apple's book is its approach to widgets. Where widgets on macOS slide in from the right side of the screen via Notification Center, Windows 11 has them sliding in from the left side, with a panel that includes weather and news widgets by default.

One of the most notable additions in this version of Windows is in the area of multitasking. Like in macOS with Spaces, users can create multiple virtual desktops for different sets of apps. In addition, a new Snap Assist feature appears when the mouse pointer hovers over the maximize button, and offers up several window layouts that app windows can snap to. These layouts are remembered by Windows and appear as Snap Groups in the taskbar.

Elsewhere, there's a new Microsoft app store featuring many new popular apps, and in a clear divergence from Apple, Microsoft also plans to host third-party stores in its Microsoft Store, including an Epic Games store, although there's no sign of the promised Android apps yet (Microsoft says it plans to preview them before the end of the year.)

Windows 11 will come pre-installed on newer PCs, and Microsoft is also offering the new operating system as an upgrade for Windows 10 users who have a machine that includes the necessary Trusted Platform Module (TPM). Macs powered by ‌Apple silicon do not support Windows and there is no Boot Camp feature like there is on Intel Macs, but support for Windows is a feature that many users would like to see, at least via virtualization software.

However, Microsoft recently dampened hopes that Windows will be able to work on Apple silicon, saying that running an Arm version of Windows 11 on M1 Macs, via virtualization or otherwise, is not "a supported scenario."

Apple's software engineering chief Craig Federighi last year said that Windows coming to ‌‌M1‌‌ Macs is "up to Microsoft." The ‌‌M1‌‌ chip contains the core technologies needed to run Windows, but Microsoft seems unwilling to license its Arm version of Windows to Mac users.

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I can't even use Windows 11 on my new PC due to an outdated BIOS.

I don't know how Microsoft does it, but it's so restless I still get nervous from their interface. It doesn't look that cluttered like previous Windows releases, but when comparing it to macOS you have thunderstorm vs sunshine.

Uh... or it's just that you are used to one vs the other. Use it frequently and this bias goes away.

 

[MacAddict1978]

So Microsoft is releasing Windows 11 on the 10th anniversary of Steve Jobs' passing. What were they thinking? Is that a tribute of some sort or just a coincidence?

Coincidence... but if it wasn't for Microsoft bailing out Apple financially, Steve wouldn't have the legacy for the second half of his time at Apple that he does. Apple was on the verge of going down when he came back and was beyond broke. The Microsoft Apple frenemy story is probably the most amazing ever. If Microsoft could go back in time and not do that deal I wonder if they would. It's almost hard to imagine a version of Apple that didn't have more money in the bank than the combined economies of multiple countries.

 

[return2sendai]

Why?

Because yearly macOS are stupid. I’m done with yearly upgrades. I just about have a stable Mojave.

Enjoy your 6 months of debugging Monterrey, followed by 6 months of eagerly anticipating something to replace the “train-wreck which is Monterrey”, followed by 6 months of debugging another Californian landmark.

Screw novelty. Just make it work.

 

[gank41]

Because yearly macOS are stupid. I’m done with yearly upgrades. I just about have a stable Mojave.

Enjoy your 6 months of debugging Monterrey, followed by 6 months of eagerly anticipating something to replace the “train-wreck which is Monterrey”, followed by 6 months of debugging another Californian landmark.

Screw novelty. Just make it work.

I’m actually looking forward to macOS 11.6.1, I probably will steer clear of Monterey until 12.3 or 12.4

 

[dtantono]

Curious to see this. Link?

you can see the link (

https://www.reddit.com/r/linux_gaming/comments/i8a2st

). But, I think this performance is totally subjective and depends on the hardware specs and individual experience (Personally, I have 3 Win7 games that have performance issues on Win10. But, it works flawlessly on Linux). By the way, since Windows bootcamp/virtualisation is dead, we can enjoy proton on m1 based macs soon thanks to Asahi Linux (https://www.theregister.com/2021/10/06/asahi_linux_m1_progress_report/).

 

[nsayer]

I agree, that would be best, but the EULA says they would have to sell the hardware it would run on -- so far that doesn't mean virtual -- so that would have to change too.

That would be easy for Microsoft to change.

Now, whether they'd be able to be convinced to do so or not is the question.

If they don't, I would suspect that they were providing cover for their OEMs, which strikes me as anti-competitive behavior. Which is unheard of for Microsoft, of course.