Microsoft Releases Windows 11, Mac Virtualization Support Still Seems Unlikely

[gank41]

Oct 2025 end of support.

Windows 7 was released on July 22, 2009. Ended Support on January 14, 2020. 10 Years of support...
Windows 10 was released on July 29, 2015. Ending Support on October 14, 2025. 10 Years of support...
This might imply that Microsoft will support Windows 11 thru 2031?!? Seems like a very very long time to me.

This doesn't even take into account how long Microsoft had to support IE7 after they made so many under-the-hood changes, forcing a lot of bank sites and whatnot to either comply or tell you how to enable compatibility mode. I think that's why MSFT created compatibility mode to begin with...

 

[ArtOfWarfare]

Does Windows 11 still have all the legacy cruft in it? IE, the whole registry thing? Is Reg Edit still kicking around?

I don't remember what Windows calls it, but in Windows 10 there were multiple settings apps... is that still a thing?

 

[NMBob]

Look at the tab on that browser!! How come Safari can’t do that??

 

[Dolmio]

It's horribly slow in VMWare Fusion (latest version on an iMac 2017 i7 with 40GB ram). Anyone knows whether it runs any better in Parallels?

Well the windows 11 arm preview runs really fast and well on my m1 mac mini via parralels.

 

[mikethemartian]

I wish MS would get it together. Why not support Windows on Mac. I'm thinking of picking up a new Macbook pro when they come out. I would gadly pay MS to use Windows on a mac!

Probably not worth the effor.

 

[ian87w]

Why can’t we use this on MacBook Pro’s with intel under boot camp, it still says my computer doesn’t meet the requirements, it’s the 16” i9 one

Because Macs don't have TPM2.0 on the motherboard.

 

[bobcomer]

Does Windows 11 still have all the legacy cruft in it? IE, the whole registry thing? Is Reg Edit still kicking around?

I don't know if it has IE, but I suspect not. To tell the truth, I haven't gone looking for it for a very long time.

As for registry and regedit, yep, still there and thank heavens. It's one of those backwards compatibility things that need to stay.

I don't remember what Windows calls it, but in Windows 10 there were multiple settings apps... is that still a thing?

Yep, but less so, most are in the "Settings" app itself.

 

[Defoler]

I dunno, there was a time when Apple hardware was oh so much better than anything out there that could run Windows out of the gate.

After my last 3 MBP's I really don't believe that's true. I still prefer my Mac and Mac OS, but everything is so web based now, and cross platforming between the two is prevalent, so choosing one or the other for that oh so special work you need to get done is a rarity anymore.

I'm sticking with my Mac, and I'm forced on to Windows at work, which really isn't all THAT bad. I live with it daily (using it more than my Mac, since I sit in front of computers a lot). When I do have to work from home, I VPN into my desktop and use Windows Desktop on my Mac. It works great. A heck of a lot better than virtualization.

I'm on deck to get a new PC at work (finally, this one is 15 years old and really needs an upgrade) so we will see. I'm sure this place will stick with Windows 10 for a while. It's a large organization with 10K + users so things move at a glacial pace around here...

I don’t think apple’s hardware in the laptop market every really been better beside their pcie ssd drive as most still used sata.
It was their light OS and integration between their hardware that was so good and what was keeping macs run smoothly even in their late years. And the fact they control their own drivers helps a lot compare to the generic ones that come in most laptops.

But you could always find a better and faster windows platform compare to boot camp running windows. It was just not as sleek.

 

[chucker23n1]

Windows 7 was released on July 22, 2009. Ended Support on January 14, 2020. 10 Years of support...
Windows 10 was released on July 29, 2015. Ending Support on October 14, 2025. 10 Years of support...
This might imply that Microsoft will support Windows 11 thru 2031?!? Seems like a very very long time to me.

It's a bit misleading. The Windows 10 released in 2015 (retroactively named Version 1507) was only supported through 2017. The version that will be supported until 2025 isn't even out; the current Version 21H1 will be supported until 2022.

 

[AndiG]

I wish MS would get it together. Why not support Windows on Mac. I'm thinking of picking up a new Macbook pro when they come out. I would gadly pay MS to use Windows on a mac!

But why should MS do this? In the meantime MS is the dominant player when it comes to cloud services. If you want to be part of the game, you‘ll need Visualstudio and Windows.

On the old Intel Macs, MS could simply user some ATI or Nvidia driver for DirectX support. Now MS would have to develop custom DirectX drivers that run on Apples closed and proprietary Metal GPU, that is subject to change every now and then.
The Windows UI will be drop dead slow without hw acceleration.

Even the M1 CPU is partially undocumented. Using standard ARM instruction set with lots of custom stuff.


So I don‘t think we will soon see a virualized or native Windows running on M1 Macs. Someone has to put a massive amount of work into this project to make it work.

 

[mikethemartian]

Exactly!
Maybe they are hoping for macOS users to ditch their devices altogether (which is never in my case) or they just don’t like our dollars.

If MS wanted to tank the Mac all they would have to do is stop offering versions of MS Office for the Mac.

 

[Ethosik]

If it is just about any processor from 2018+ you can enable Secure Boot in BIOS and you’ll have TPM. Doesn’t need the module.

Yes with about 5 different settings. Sorry. Working three jobs I haven’t looked at which setting to enable yet. You think others would even go to the BIOS to begin with?

 

[chucker23n1]

Does Windows 11 still have all the legacy cruft in it? IE, the whole registry thing? Is Reg Edit still kicking around?

IE cannot be launched separately any more, but you can still embed it.

regedit is still around and largely unchanged for a long time.

I don't remember what Windows calls it, but in Windows 10 there were multiple settings apps... is that still a thing?

Yep. They've been moving more and more stuff from Control Panel to Settings, but it's still a mess. A lot of stuff can only partially be configured in Settings; you eventually sigh and move on to the old UI.

 

[darkcompass]

If MS wanted to tank the Mac all they would have to do is stop offering versions of MS Office for the Mac.

I’ve used Mac products for 15 years and never needed to install ms office to open documents or even write them, even though the company is a MS based office. There’s plenty of other ways.

 

[rpmurray]

Lipstick on a flying pig.

Fixed it for you.

 

[I7guy]

Wierd, my 9600K runs it perfectly without tweaks...

Don't have UEFI enabled in BIOS. BIOS runs in compatibiliy mode.

 

[I7guy]

My custom built PC in 2020 doesn’t meet the requirements due to no TPM. Windows 11 is going to be very niche for a while.

Intel Trusted Platform is theoretically TPM 2.0 equivalent.

 

[chucker23n1]

I wish MS would get it together. Why not support Windows on Mac. I'm thinking of picking up a new Macbook pro when they come out. I would gadly pay MS to use Windows on a mac!

The problem is that neither company cares.

Microsoft doesn't care enough to write drivers for Apple's chips, especially since they'd then have to also support those.

Apple doesn't care enough to write drivers for their chips for Windows, especially since they'd then have to support that scenario.

This was mildly interesting for Apple in the Intel era, but now it's become mostly a hobbyist thing.

 

[TTTedP]

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[csw82]

Is there still a registry? If so, I'll pass. I've had to dig in to that monstrosity again in Windows 10. Better than it was, but still a pain in the ass. When I can delete a program by simply dragging it to the trash? I recently had to manually delete an app due to a misconfigured server side preference and a remove command that never ran. Boot into safe mode, remove the app from 3 different places, then find all registry keys and delete them. And hope and pray nothing else got screwed up.

 

[TTTedP]

the Sheer arrogance on this forum is ridiculous. MacOS is not the sacred OS, it has faults just like windows does. i Congratulate Microsoft on their reelase.

true. No need for blind cultism. I've been on Mac since 2007 and find this tempting. As Apple expands into more areas, the cracks are showing while MS seems to be contracting and focusing on core items.

 

[lkrupp]

obviously haven't used windows in a long time...

Correct, it has taken Windows a decade to match macOS by ‘embracing and extending’.

 

[l0stl0rd]

And give up backwards compatibility -- no way, no how, businesses wouldn't stand for it, that's how they got to be the dominant OS. That's what Apple does and why they aren't as dominant.

Well depends how you look at it… it probably could be much better if it did not carry all those all libraries around.

I personally think it is good apple dropped opengl and 32 bit.

 

[nathansz]

My custom built PC in 2020 doesn’t meet the requirements due to no TPM. Windows 11 is going to be very niche for a while.

unless you built your pc with 5 year old parts your cpu should have tpm built in

 

[lkrupp]

Funny how people who rage about Apple not allowing macOS to run on non-Apple hardware, hysterically chanting MONOPOLY are now raging about Microsoft doing the same thing.