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Why can’t we use this on MacBook Pro’s with intel under boot camp, it still says my computer doesn’t meet the requirements, it’s the 16” i9 one
From what I read earlier about windows 11, and Macs is even the latest Intel based Macs don't have TPM 2.0, and possibly the DX 12 support issue. However, it's most likely TPM, or CPU generation requirements falling short. I do have plans to try it at some point in VMWare to test performance, since I can simply restore the VM from time machine if things go wrong.

However, for me personally, this is a time I've really been considering moving away from Apple as far as the desktop goes. I have nothing against current Macs, and new ones coming out. I would just like more control over hardware than apple gives these days.
 
I wish MS would get it together. Why not support Windows on Mac. I'm thinking of picking up a new Macbook pro when they come out. I would gadly pay MS to use Windows on a mac!
I think both apple and Microsoft has figured out how niche WOM (windows on Mac) market is. Then the next logical step would be to divert those resources elsewhere, especially since supporting a completely different architecture that is owned by competitor isn’t the best thing to do either. (ARM and ARM aren’t the same)
Who know why they do things but Windows should drop old things and really rewrite the OS that would help :)
And lose millions of software titles and backwards compatibility, which would kill Microsoft in a year or so and replace windows with Linux.
Exactly!
Maybe they are hoping for macOS users to ditch their devices altogether (which is never in my case) or they just don’t like our dollars.
How many thousands users would “potentially” consider buying windows on a Mac? I’d say not much.
so basically, boot camp is dead anyway, not just on apple silicon.
Boot camp should still work for Windows 10, and windows 10 support will go to 2025, and by that point, not many Intel macs are still around that are actively being used.
 
The 11th MacOS counterfied version is here in X86 mode (cant wait to see how many old Windows versions control panels live together in this version XD

PC industry is waiting to see the ARM version, but not more than Apple users are waiting for the MX1/M2… h**l I'm dying…
 
Runs absolutely fine in Parallels - I've been using it for months.
So it will run in Parallels. I must not know what "virtualization" means, because I thought running in Parallels was running a virtual machine. So when I saw that Mac virtualization was unlikely I was confused. I suppose "Mac virtualization" is different from Parallels virtualization.
 
For a company that hates on Apple as much as it does it is incredible how much they're trying to emulate.
I'm not sure that MS *do* hate on Apple that much. Most of the recent Apple-bashing has been coming from Intel.

Many Apple users are Microsoft customers as well... and they've even co-operated in the past (Internet Explorer was the default web browser on Mac OS for a long while, MS Word has been supported on MacOS since forever...).

They really didn't have to do things like supporting MS Edge or VS Code on Mac, either.

Apple's existence also helps them defend against monopoly allegations...

Anyway, MS have been copying Apple (or, at least, copying what Apple learned from Xerox) since Windows 2 (Windows 1, not so much).

As for the virtualisation: the status of Win 10/11 for ARM on M1 via Parallels seems to be "works for me" which doesn't necessarily mean that it works well enough for Microsoft to put their name to it. For one thing - I believe that W10 still had some ARM32 binaries which couldn't work on M1 - are these gone from W11?

What *probably* needs to happen now is for Parallels and/or VMWare to negotiate a licensing deal with MS to bundle W11 for ARM with their products - (I can't believe that I'm the only genius to have thought of that, so presumably either they've tried and failed, or it's in the pipeline, or they've done the math and it isn't economic) - but that would also likely require them to take the front line for support (just like anybody else buying an OEM license).

The problem is: back in 2006 the new Intel Macs were, basically, generic PCs that were only an EFI firmware module and a bit of installer-fu away from being able to run a bog standard Windows XP disc. Once the firmware update was done, Bootcamp was pretty much just a "wizard" to help you partition the disc, patch the Windows installer slightly and download the correct drivers. About the only proprietary driver was for MBP trackpads... That pretty much held until the T2 Macs started rolling out.

The Apple Silicon Macs, however, aren't just standard PCs with an ARM instruction set instead of Intel (that's a big issue, but not the only issue) - I don't think there is yet a single, well established "standard ARM PC architecture" to match the standard great-grandson-of-IBM PC de-facto standard, and if there is, the ASi Macs certainly aren't it. So it's doubtful if there will ever be a one-size-fits-all Windows-on-ARM shrink-wrapped retail box, and an Apple Silicon version will need new boot-loaders and drivers for almost everything - including, crucially, Apple's proprietary GPUs - to run bare-metal on an ASi Mac... and Apple have explicitly said that they *won't* support that, which probably means that they won't even guarantee to keep the "bare metal" specs that drivers rely on stable (why should they? it's extra work and any new Apple machine will come with a new version of MacOS/iOS with updated drivers).

So it's going to be virtualisation - which avoids that problem since the hypervisor can just translate calls to Windows drivers to stable MacOS system calls - but then the hypervisor writer is going to have to take point for support.
 
Is there still a registry? If so, I'll pass. I've had to dig in to that monstrosity again in Windows 10. Better than it was, but still a pain in the ass. When I can delete a program by simply dragging it to the trash? I recently had to manually delete an app due to a misconfigured server side preference and a remove command that never ran. Boot into safe mode, remove the app from 3 different places, then find all registry keys and delete them. And hope and pray nothing else got screwed up.
That sounds like more of a poorly written application problem than a Windows problem. An ordinary user will never have to think about the Windows registry or even know it exists any more than a macOS user has to think about all of the data littering their or the system's Library directory.

Relatedly, simply dragging an application to the trash doesn't uninstall it. There are still lingering files that never get touched: cruft in Application Support, preferences, saved states, etc. It's likely that a misconfigured application in macOS would require just as much effort to manually delete.

I'll never understand why "the registry" is such a popular argument against Windows.
 
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So it will run in Parallels. I must not know what "virtualization" means, because I thought running in Parallels was running a virtual machine. So when I saw that Mac virtualization was unlikely I was confused. I suppose "Mac virtualization" is different from Parallels virtualization.
The only version I found for Parallel's is a non-supported beta/preview ARM version that runs (poorly) on my MacBook Pro M1. It works (sort of) now, but some day will no longer work unless MS decides to support it.
 
So it will run in Parallels. I must not know what "virtualization" means, because I thought running in Parallels was running a virtual machine. So when I saw that Mac virtualization was unlikely I was confused. I suppose "Mac virtualization" is different from Parallels virtualization.
Well, there's "virtualization on Intel Macs" vs, "virtualization on M1 Macs" for a starter. Two different cans of worms right there... AFAIK, running on Parallels on an Intel Mac should be fine...

And there's "works for me" vs. "actually supported by Microsoft".

Plus, finally, "will work if you download an 'insider preview' copy and convince yourself that, because you can activate it with this one weird trick, a bloke down the pub says you are licensed" vs. "you can actually buy a license with confidence".

It's the last two that are the issues on M1. If it works for you, that's fine, but if it breaks you get to keep both bits.
 
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So it will run in Parallels. I must not know what "virtualization" means, because I thought running in Parallels was running a virtual machine. So when I saw that Mac virtualization was unlikely I was confused. I suppose "Mac virtualization" is different from Parallels virtualization.

It isn't different.

Windows 11 does run virtualized on an M1 Mac. However, this isn't officially supported, and it's unclear whether it ever will be. It's also tricky to get a proper Windows license for this scenario.
 
How is the Linux gaming and program catalogue these days?
It’s actually amazing. WINE is working wonders and with Proton and Valve, there are very few games I can’t play. It’s not like Linux gaming 10 years ago (or even 5 years ago).
 
A single program requires that I use Windows - Articulate Storyline - and I'm on it all day every day. They have no plans for a Mac version. Their argument is that none of their customers use Macs, which is, of course, because they don't have a Mac version. I hope they understand that, but I'm not so sure based on their comments in the forums. It's still 32 bit, and they apparently have no plans for a 64 bit version. This is the de facto authoring tool in corporate training. So I run this one program in Parallels, Win 10, on a MacBook M1 Air, and everything else on MacOS. I'm going to get an M1X MacBook the minute they hit, so was thinking Win 11 could be cool. I'll try it, but it's not necessary.
 
A single program requires that I use Windows - Articulate Storyline - and I'm on it all day every day. They have no plans for a Mac version. Their argument is that none of their customers use Macs, which is, of course, because they don't have a Mac version. I hope they understand that, but I'm not so sure based on their comments in the forums. It's still 32 bit, and they apparently have no plans for a 64 bit version. This is the de facto authoring tool in corporate training. So I run this one program in Parallels, Win 10, on a MacBook M1 Air, and everything else on MacOS. I'm going to get an M1X MacBook the minute they hit, so was thinking Win 11 could be cool. I'll try it, but it's not necessary.
...so my concern here with the M1X MacBook is if I get a ~$2500-3k MacBook and they pull the plug on even the unsupported version of Win10 on Apple Silicon. I recently bought a top end Dell XPS 15 with OLED screen and I returned it. The whole ecosystem, hardware and software, OS, are IMO so far inferior to MacOS. I would hate to have to use a PC just to run one program.
 
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I like Windows 11 - it's a fresh look on the older OS and it does work smooth.
They need to iron out a lot of older Windows 10 menus and some other areas, but it's a nice transition.
I am a big Apple fanboy, I do have MB Pro, iPad Pro, iPhone, APM, APP, Mac mini, aTV so you can imagine I am living in the ecosystem.

But I also have a PC for gaming and I must say, this Windows 11 refresh is more pleasant on Windows update than Mac OS is. However, Windows became a tad less customizable - at least with the first release of 11

I find lately, that I spend a lot more time on PC than before.
Somehow, Mac OS UI is too vibrant and I find Windows 11 more comfortable when it comes to browsing left and right and playing - obviously - games.

I do have my beloved apps such as DayOne, Fantastical and Things for Mac - so ironically, it's my Mac which is now used for productivity vs Windows.
Funny how things have changed in the past years :)
 
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This is an issue as it means for me, I think now, as I'll have to get an Intel Mac so I can run Windows 10. I don't really have the room for 2 computers. But then of course that means your buying an older Mac or the new Mac Pro.
 
no problem on 9th gen z390 here
Short story long. I took the hard drive from an older motherboard that didn't support UEFI, and plugged the drive into my shiny new 202 build. Since UEFI wasn't supported I set the BIOS for compatibility mode. The drive booted and I installed updated drivers, but without UEFI, secure boot, I will not be able to run windows 11.
 
So we don't have an offical way to use Windows 11 on M1 platform. That's sad in someway because you have to choose between OS. Maybe Microsoft wants to force Apple users which are using it to just move to Windows.
MS wants subscription.
 
Microsoft can release anything they want to.... it is still a diseased pig just made to look pretty, however it looks way too active and a mess. I will never leave apple, I will leave my job and be unemployed if I have to use Microsoft Windows to be employed.
 
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Well... to be honest... it's also "up to Apple", because if Apple decides to stop supporting users of professional applications such as Revit, Ansys, Robot Structural Analysis, CYPECAD, Catia, SolidWorks, Tekla Structures, and an endless list of professional engineering applications... then, well, you can say it's "up to Microsoft", but the thing is that Microsoft is not losing these customers. It's Apple who loses them.

Forget seeing the Mac in engineering universities. You'll see iPads, but no Macs anymore.
This software has never supported macOS, so no loss.
 
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I wish Apple would get it together and support Mac in a Virtual Machine on Windows.
Do not understand. Microsoft has a Windows cloud-based virtualization service. It already exists and companies can take advantage of it. It doesn't matter what computer you have anymore.
 
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