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About 1800 bucks out of your wallet.

Every time i have bought a pc it has cost me about £1,000

When my pc was last due for replacement I got an imac for £1,000.

I had been using a g4 at work ad and realised they were easier to work on - less mouse clicks, smoother interface, more logical workflow.

At my new work - we use £700 dell laptops, but because I wanted to do more design and video work - i got them to buy a £700 macbook.
 
I think most creative professionals would disagree with you on that. It is Apple that offers us creative professionals the freedom.

I've never met anybody in the industry that has said anything different.

I think most "creative professionals" are full of ****. If your work is dependent on the logo on the back of your machine, then you're as creative as a brick. I can deliver quality work no matter what platform I'm using.
 
When you see the slogan at the end: "Windows - Life without walls"

Does anyone else think that you can't have windows without having walls in which to put them? Its a very contradictory statement, a bit like trying to sell your product because its cheap and not cool.

They should be selling Windows on its ubiquity and whatever else they think are its strongest parts.
 
What did you like about it?

It points out 2 Apple flaws:

Apple Tax, a very important point. Prices should be going down not up in this economy

Lack of Blu-Ray, less important but would be nice in a high end (or at least priced that way) machine

Then the humor. I found the pink laptop scene funny, the face she made when she got the money and the last scene where the mom points out she isn't 11. Just seemed like a funny ad overall

Are the ads telling the whole story? No but neither were Apple's ads so its fair game in my opinion. Each competitor brings out the visible flaws of the other and hides theirs...thats the way it works. For MS its the OS, for Apple its the hardware & premium pricing

For those saying MS should focus on making Vista better, well aren't they doing that in Windows 7?. Also Vista isn't that bad, it was at launch but its better now with updates. My brother has been using Vista for over 18 months and has no complaints.

Apple isn't the Utopia of software either. Leopard wasn't exactly perfect either at launch nor was the iPhone 2.0 OS.

In the end both companies' criticisms are good for consumers because it forces them to take some kind of action. All the criticism of Vista has led to a pretty good service pack & Windows 7. All the criticism of the lack in iPhone features has led to iPhone 3.0

Both results are good for consumers
 
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Why talk about an OS when most computer users have no idea what that is, they want speed and value for money.

True. That is the biggest shame in computing world isn't it?

The only time you really look at the machine is when you are waiting for the OS to do its job.

If people were brought up without a religion until they were 16, and then asked to choose - I would see a lot of empty churches.

Saving 20% on a machine you are going to spend 400+ hours of your year plugged into sound a strange economy.

Would you pay a bit extra for a more comfortable chair if you knew you would feel the benefits every day?
 
It points out 2 Apple flaws:

Apple Tax, a very important point. Prices should be going down not up in this economy

Okay but the prices did just go down.

To be honest I think the "tax" thingy is a myth nowadays. I think if you get the same hardware and put it next to the Mac (rather than finding cheaper components...etc) then you'll find the Mac is cheaper in many cases.
 
I love these ads if only for how they get fanboys worked up so comically :D

Apple took cheap, barely accurate shots at Microsoft with the "I'm a Mac, I'm a PC" ads. Now Microsoft is firing back with at least an accurate set of adverts. Not the entire story for sure, but it is certainly a fair point.

Sucks to be on the receiving end doesn't it (aimed at all the fanboys/people who laughed at Apple's ads)? :p
 
If your work is dependent on the logo on the back of your machine, then you're as creative as a brick. I can deliver quality work no matter what platform I'm using.

While that is true - I am reminded of chris rock on single parenting.
"Yes you can do it - you can also drive with your feet, that doesn't mean it should be done."

I got my first taste of macs editing a magazine - it was the little things I noticed that made the creative process more productive and less annoying.

Take the soapbar shaped mighty mouse and the little ball. These are the little details that mac does so well.

And its the little things that help keep you free from those annoying distractions that make your focus wander.

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And these ads are funny. It like coke hingeing its advertising on the idea that 'pizza hut is more expensive than burger king'. :D
 
I'm not saying that there isn't one, but you don't see anyone bitching and moaning about the BMW or Mercedes tax. And don't tell me that BMWs and Mercedes are higher quality, they're not, its all same crap and a typical BMW breaks more often then a base model VW Rabbit.
Mercs and Beamers aren't unbreakable, no, but the manufacturer spends a lot more money making them than they do on a Golf/Rabbit. For the Golf mk VI (recently awarded World Car of the Year) they've squeezed the production time down to 40 man-hours per car. They spend much more time building a Mercedes or BMW, partly because of all the options. Many more colors, rims and various extras to choose from, pretty much every car is a little different from the last one.

With Macs it's the other way around, they have very few models, many of them have the exact same parts (like the MB/MBP/MBA keyboard), no color options... not to mention that the components weren't exactly developed in some special lab, they're generic PC screens/CPUs/GPUs/drives. And there sure aren't any color options at all, and the BTO options are much more limited than on your average PC. Sure, laser cut aluminium is pretty advanced and costs a few dollars more than your average plastic notebook shell, but if you weigh in all factors it's possible that Macs are even cheaper to make than a lot of PCs.

That's why Apple tax is a term that gets thrown around a lot, while BMW tax isn't. BMW can point to their higher manufacturing and labor costs (German car workers cost a LOT, moreso than those GM guys even). Apple just makes Chinese PCs like everyone else, so they have nothing to show for these prices that they're just pulling out of a hat. I definitely think that some brand tax is acceptable, that's just part of the game, but theirs is just hysterical.
 
- Don't compare resolution on two different size of screens, that makes little sense.
It makes perfect sense since Apple doesn't give you any choices. You can't even get 1680x1050 on the 15.4" like most other high end laptops. Just 1440x900, and with no matte option on the 15.4" and an upcharge on the 17".

- 4GO ram, but DDR2, all Apple laptops run faster DDR3.
Faster on paper. With more latency. Not really any difference in real life usage according to a fellow macrumors member here:
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/654277/


- Vista 64 bits? Is that system that runs poorly 32 bits applications, does not run 32 bits drivers, and has therefore poor compatibility?
It's the 64-bit that can run Photoshop CS4 (64-bit, Windows only) that will smoke the OS X version. It's also the 64-bit that can run in 32-bit compatibility mode. You're just spreading FUD.

- Dedicated card, you get that right, though with a macbook pro you get two GPU chips, dedicated and integrated.
Having 2 GPUs is worthless. You have to reboot just to switch from one to the other. At least on Windows systems with 2 GPUs you just flick a switch without having to reboot. Advantage: Windows.

- Blu-ray? Isn't it that crap which slows down Vista as the OS has too guaranty proper reading of protected content? Or is that crap that no one buys for their living room? While Sony is pushing for Blu-ray, Apple is building a totally new over the air media entertainment system. Guess which one will be chosen by customers.
Crap that nobody cares about? Sure, keep saying it and maybe it'll come true. Fact is, Blu-ray is gaining ground quicker than DVD did. It is THE BEST medium to aquire THE BEST audio and video currently available to the public. All Apple's download service proves is that Apple fanboys are willing to pay for an inferior product, which falls right in line with Microsoft's commercials.

- Magnesium alloy cage? And what, that's still way inferior to what Apple can do with its unibody aluminum design.
Inferior because why? Because you think so? Magnesium can be up to 30% lighter and 50% stronger than aluminum. It's also recyclable.

-Chicklet keys? What makes you saying that it works better than mac besides your trollism.
Because unlike you, I speak from experience. Sony has more travel and better feel. Most all reviews on the Vaio have mentioned that it's one of the best keyboards they've used.

-And regarding who first introduced the Chicklet keys, that's true that Sony had some laptops some time ago with that, but why then they started to use it again once Apple started to use it?
Who cares why Sony started using it again. Doesn't change the fact that they did it before Apple.

-6.4 pounds light? You call this light? Then now, it is confirmed, you are a troll. First of all the sony laptop weights 6.4-7.0 pounds, usually more to 7.0. A Macbook pro 15 inch weights 5.5 pounds. The sony is closer to the Macbook pro 17 inch (6.6), though the MacBook pro 17 is way better in features.
If I can't compare resolutions on different size screens, why are you comapring a 16.4" laptop weight to a 15.4" laptop? And thanks for showing that the 17" MBP is heavier. And no, the 17" MBP does not have better features (no Blu-ray for starters) and costs a whopping $1500 MORE than the Sony.

And yes, 6.4 pounds should be considered light for anybody over 10 and under 90 years old.


So now, if you want to compare with a MacBook pro, you would get:

- Better OS
Subjective at best.

- A lighter computer and more compact. The sony is 1.14 - 1.46 inch thick, the MacBook pro is 0.95 inch thick. That's a significant difference.
Significant difference? That's hilarious. Significant difference is not 1/2". That's the thickness of an iPhone.

- You get backlit keyboard, light sensor for the screen, sudden motion sensor.
Backlit keyboard does nothing for me. I know how to type. Light sensor sucks. I turn it off on my MBP. Sudden motion sensor? No thanks. Looks like it's oversensitive and makes more noise than anything according to these macrumors members:
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/653236/


- You get a multi-touch trackpad, well better than anything available on pc.
Subjective at best. Synaptics allows for zones on Windows machines that work better than multitouch. Can you do middle click on multitouch (for opening tabs in Firefox for example) on multitouch? Nope.

- You get Firewire 800.
There's firewire on the Vaio.

- You get a display port connector. Sony use VGA (yes most pc has still VGA can you believe that) and HDMI, the connector that is going no where in the computer space.
LOL. Display port that hardly anybody uses. HDMI is found in most newer monitors. I can hook up the Vaio to an HDTV. What HDTV has a display port? HDMI going nowhere? Riiight.

- You get digital audio.
You get digital audio via HDMI on the Vaio. You can also get Dolby Surround with the Vaio.

- You get better battery life, Vista performance for battery life is awful.
http://www.anandtech.com/mac/showdoc.aspx?i=3435&p=13
For the money, you should.

- You get a LED display.
XBRITE-FullHD is double CCFL I believe. It's very bright. Doesn't have the power savings of LED but looks just as good if not better than the MBP.

- You get a better environmental friendly product.
Says who? Do you know how much energy is consumed to make aluminum? How much energy to machine it into shape? How environmentally toxic it is to make aluminum? Just because it's recyclable doesn't automatically make it green in the overall picture.

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Okay but the prices did just go down.

To be honest I think the "tax" thingy is a myth nowadays. I think if you get the same hardware and put it next to the Mac (rather than finding cheaper components...etc) then you'll find the Mac is cheaper in many cases.

For Americans maybe. Internationally prices have gone up...significantly and please no one blame the exchange rate because that argument simply doesn't fly


Very cool ad
 
Have you read the "apple tax" whitepaper?

OMG... shame on MS - they're sinking deeper every day. How can they really put their name on such a paper? It's ridiculously unprofessional and tendentious - already in its language, leave alone the facts of a completely stupid and imbalanced comparison.

Check out this Roger Kay's website... looks like from 1995. Surely not done on a MAC ;-)


However to add something sensible to the discussion / comparison: it's just the same as comparing an iPhone to even the newest WinMobile devices. Comparing a spec list does not even closely say anything about the usability of the deivce. It's a completely useless comparison.

Cheers,
Kerry.
 
ha!

That Ad is rammed so damn hard full of irony it's painful.

You become an apple user - you have to conform to the Apple way of doing things, it doesn't unleash you in some way. My most creative moments are on my PC workstation when I can do what I want, rather than what Steve Jobs has dictated I should do.

Wow, that is too funny. First of all, what do you mean by "conforming to the Apple way of doing things"? :confused:

However, I can tell you how PC's have crippled me before in the past. I have lost so many valuable files and so much valuable time using Windows. :mad: , plus, running an antivirus has brought my PC to a sluggish speed, even after I spent many hours keeping it clean and well maintained.

One time, I even had to reboot my PC after uninstalling IE, because, apparently, IE deleted an important file that made the PC tick, :eek: . Funny how these ads ignore what a pain Windows will be to consumers by focusing on Hardware. :rolleyes:

I've been nearly 2 years Windows-free, and I gotta tell ya, its like a breath of fresh air. I have been able to focus on creativity like nerver before, because, dare I say it, "It just works." :cool: And that, my friend, makes a world of a difference.:apple:
 
lol, it got Blu-Rayyyyyyyyyyyy ... Well, that is true, that is something the MacBook's really lack... painful, but true. I hope Apple finally decides to integrate that in their MacBook's... They can't wait forever. But the mom says things that can be done a lot better on a MacBook and the hardware of a Windows PC is not the same as the hardware on a Mac. Vista on itself almost takes 1GB of ram.. w00t... they are misleading the people xD For games though, yeah, you can't go any other way then PC ;(
 
I think most creative professionals would disagree with you on that. It is Apple that offers us creative professionals the freedom.
Err... us creative professionals are more worried about third party software. If we're graphics/web/print people we use Adobe's Creative Suite, if we're musicians we use ProTools, Cubase, Nuendo and various instrument and FX plugins from Native Instruments and others. Since these apps are identical on both platforms I really don't see how one offers more freedom than the other. Mac has Final Cut and Logic, other than that it's same old, same old. Unless you're talking about iLife, but I don't see what that has to do with professionals.
 
Really, and what is a Macbook without OS X???

It's an extremely well-designed laptop that offers features and sturdyness that are simply not available in the PC-side. And it's the only laptop that can run all the major OS'es out there.

So you are one of those peop,e who think that a computer is equal to the sum of it's parts? You do realize that it's pretty darn dumb to think like that?

If your pretentious get the VW, if you follow common sense, the toyota is way more reliable then the VW. That should sum it up.

Yeah, I should get a Toyota, so I could enjoy a cramped leg every time I drive for more than 20 kilometers. I should buy a Toyota so I could enjoy the cheap interior. I should buy the Toyota so I could "enjoy" the crappy ride. But none of those matter, since the Toyota is cheaper, right? To me, it's cheaper, because it's worth less.

Yes, Toyota might be a bit more reliable (BTW, according to Consumer Reports, macs are more reliable than just about any PC's out there), but the VW is very reliable indeed. I don't know about those Mexico-built VW's you have in USA, but the models in Europe are pretty darn reliable.

And what's so "pretentious" in buying a VW? It's the most popular car-brand in Europe, and VW Golf and VW Passat are best-selling cars in their respective segments in Finland....
 
I really don't see how one offers more freedom than the other.

Its the little things. Comfortable mouse with 2d scrolling, keyboard with a good feel, little os flourishes like squeezing the mouse to see all screens, hot corners, less resource hungry os.

Attention to detail and good design on the little things increase your satisfaction and productivity.

I use pcs and macs side by side at home and at work.
I know which is more comfortable to use.

And if you are spending 8hrs a day working on a machine - its the little things that matter. A uncomfortable chair will diminish your work to some degree.

That is why the apple model of hardware an software is so satisfying.

If the hardware bod at sony thinks - hey - squeezing this mouse could make the windows fly apart or flicking this ball could make the screen zoom in - would microsoft redesign its os just for one of many hardware companies if other machines wouldn't do the same thing?
 
yes, they're more expensive, but you get what you pay for in this world... I've used PC's for years then switched to mac; they've lied about the scale of the differences (what a suprise), but apple are pricier, and i would pay that "premium" every time to avoid a pathetic, toy-like, bug ridden OS like Windows Vista, this is one point M$ completely fail to grasp... Apple love computers and love software, M$ are out to make money.... That's why i buy apple whenever i can....
 
However, I can tell you how PC's have crippled me before in the past. I have lost so many valuable files and so much valuable time using Windows.
Who are all these amateurs who keep claiming to have lost files, let alone having lost them because it's a PC?

I have backups of every damn file I've created since the early 90's, and I have lost work two times in 20 years. The first was a Cubase song I lost some time in 91 or 92, it was either on an Atari ST or a Win 3.1 PC. The file was corrupted when I saved it, that's when I learned to do incremental saves. The second time was a year and a half ago when I was on an iMac and saved Photoshop files to a server. Due to an issue with CS3 and OS 10.5.3, files saved to network shares were destroyed. But those files weren't really lost since the server does daily backups.

If you keep losing files, no matter the OS, give your backup habits a second look before you switch to another platform.
 
Oh really? 3.4% worldwide and 7.2% US.

Like I said in another thread, after those college students are finished with college and they have their liberal arts degrees and they're working at McDonalds and finally paying for their own life, let's see what computer they buy.

>>>Here we go with the stupid cost argument. You get what you pay for. Yes I can drive a crap car that will get me to work and eat junk food that will keep me alive but what about quality of life.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Windows Windows was released in 1985. And I said "almost" two decades. I've been using it since Windows 3.0.

>>>So many years around and they still have not learned a thing. Vista!!!

What reviews? CNET reviews? They're the 3 Stooges of technology sites.

Let's see.. 2ms response time, 50,000:1 contrast ratio, HDMI, 24" 16x9 display rather than out of proportion 16x10, and not so glossy you get a headache just looking at it. Hmmm.

>>>Just buy anti-gloss cover and get over it!

And how many PS3 games run at 1080p? On top of that, how many PS3 games actually run at 720p? The PS3 has more games that run at 640p than any other system. GTA4, the biggest game of last year, ran at 640p compared to the Xbox360s 720p. With the exception of GT5, which has cardboard cutout environments, PS3 games that claim 1080p only run at 720p or 640p upscaled to 1080p.

>>>Not true about GTA, it ran at 1080p but there was a few problems with it after 2.35 came out. List of games that run at 1080p
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_full_HD_1080P_PS3_games

Yeah and look how well Sony is doing. Their system has the lowest average resolution, they're in a very distant third place, and their system isn't even half as capable as they claimed it was. 1080p is a pipe dream for their games unless they have cardboard cutout enivronments like GT5.

>>>Distant third yes but the Nintendo Wii outsold both the PS3 and Xbox anyway but for your information the PS3 sales just overtook the Wii in Japan.

And what happened to the multiple ethernet ports on the PS3? Dual HDMI ports? support for dual displays at 1080p? And what happened to Sony's commitment to backwards compatibility? One year they say "Playstation will live in forever through backwards compatibility" and that backwards compatibility is "paramount to the strategy". Then a year later backwards compatibility was gone. What happened to SACD support? The important card readers and multiple USB ports? Yeah exactly. Microsoft has actually ADDED to the Xbox360 both in hardware and software features, while Sony has done nothing but take away feature after feature after feature.

>>>Ohhh please and the HDD drive and HD movies that everyone bought!

Blu-ray is great for movies. But for games? Sorry but the PS3 has worse loading times than the old Sega CD. And so far blu-ray has offered NO advantage for games. If you actually keep up on the industry as you claim, you'd know that PS3 blu-ray games are mostly filled with dummy files.

PS3 isn't even capable of rendering games at 1080p at a reasonable framerate, unless its cardboard cutouts like GT5's environments. The PS3 can't even keep a steady framerate at 640p, like GTA4. The PS3 is a joke.

>>>:confused: Killzone 2! Metal Gear Solid! what planet are you from!!!

Theres a lot of PCs that do use DDR3.

>>>So!!

First of all, 32-bit apps run just fine in Vista 64. With drivers, you'd be hard pressed to find a device that does NOT have Vista 64 support. Even my 5 year old PCI TV tuner has Vista 64 drivers.

Which don't run in hybrid SLI like they do on proper Windows machines. You can only run one or the other.

>>>Yeah have fun looking for those drivers.

Yeah, guess which one customers are choosing? Right now, blu-ray is growing faster than DVD did. If you compare DVD at 2.5-3 years old to blu-ray, you'll find that blu-ray has TWICE the marketshare of DVD at that same point in time. Which translates into faster growth than ANY consumer video format ever. Meanwhile, the Apple TV is failing and doesn't even have a fraction of the marketshare that blu-ray does.

Don't even begin to compare quality. iTunes HD is at 720p, 4.5Mbps. Blu-ray is 1080p at up to 45Mbps. There is NO comparison. None.

>>>Yes that does matter if you play it on a large screen but on a laptop or desktop it will be fine.

UniBody MacBook owner here. It is NOT built as well as my plastic HP.

>>>LOL oh please. The precision aluminum unibody process is a testament to Apple quality build. Your plastic HP is better built than that. I pity you if you really believe that.

The MacBook Pro is better in features than the system in this ad? I don't think so. No blu-ray, no HDMI, no card readers, OS X, worse build quality, etc.

>>>No Blu-ray, so what! Why would you want to play Blu-ray on a laptop anyway. Blu-ray movies are for 42+ screens minimum. There is a card reader for MBP and if OSX is so bad why is Microsoft knocking it and then copying it! Build quality! No comment!

HDMI is going nowhere? Is that why nearly every Windows notebook PC that isn't a netbook has HDMI? Is that why every good display out there includes HDMI? Also, you get digital audio out over HDMI. Uncompressed multi-channel PCM ;)

Which is entirely overrated.

>>>I am glad you happy to wait for you screen to light up after three minutes, probably how long it takes you to log in anyway!

Such a small marketshare? Again, Blu-ray has twice the marketshare as DVD did at the same point in its life. Blu-ray is growing faster than DVD did.

Can't tell the difference? Spoken like someone who has never seen a blu-ray movie. The difference between blu-ray and DVD is greater than the difference between VHS and DVD.

Blu-ray movies have also come down in price. They cost no more now than DVDs did at the same point in their life. Same for the players. A good player can be had for around $250 now, same as DVDs at the same point in its life.

>>>And they will be coming to a mac near you soon!
 
Got to love Apple fanboys getting all uncomfortable.

Why do you protect your overcharging company?

I love Apple products too, I am typing on one right now. But I know that they are overpriced!!

It could be cheaper and it should be cheaper.

Sure it could be cheaper. If they removed all those nice touches from the computers, if they made them less reliable, if they used a cheaper chassis... Then they would cost about as much as PC's do. And they would look and feel exactly like PC's do.

PC-laptops usually do cost less than Macs do. But the thing is that they also look, feel and behave like cheaper computers.
 
"This is Lisa and Jackson." Two seconds in and the voiceover dude can't get his verbs right. He are making Microsoft sound stupid.

>He are making Microsoft sound stupid.

I'm not going to read the rest of this post because of that grammatical error. It makes you sound stupid.
 
Oh yeah, because only kids like Macs...good one Microsoft :rolleyes:

Huh? I'm not sure how anybody could interpret that from the ad.
The mum said that macs are popular with kids that age. True.

And the last ad featured an adult who stated he loved how the macs looked.

:rolleyes:
 
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