then the mac will have snow leapord don't forget that in fact SL will prob beat Win 7 to the market place speaking of which i saw a review on win 7 the other day and it was being touted as XP all over again
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Microsoft Remains on Offensive with 'Apple Tax' Report and Latest Laptop Ad
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then the mac will have snow leapord don't forget that in fact SL will prob beat Win 7 to the market place speaking of which i saw a review on win 7 the other day and it was being touted as XP all over again
I'm really not sure, but I think it's been established that their profit margins are waaaaaay larger than anything in the computer hardware business so surely they're not pouring all of it back into R&D. Again, some brand tax is warranted, the Apple logo is worth its weight in gold, but there are limits... the Mac Pro almost seems like a scam, like an experiment to see what they can get away with in terms of overcharging. And then you have their prices on BTO options, those are literally scams because Apple didn't even make those parts. I remember ordering my iMac 24" -- the default config was 1 GB of RAM at the time, and according to my calculations they wanted SEVEN times more for an additional 3 GB than what it would cost to buy 4 GB from a third party. Now, I'm aware that all computer manufacturers overcharge for RAM, additional hard drives etc, but SEVEN TIMES? I didn't know whether to call the Apple Store or the police."It just works BETTER"? That does it for me.
And as for the price markup - can anyone point to an iniquity on where this "extra money" is going
Is this "apple tax" being invested in future development - or creamed off by greedy board members and shareholders?
Most people share the religions of their families - its what you grow up with.
If people waited till 16 to tell their kids of gods and monsters, and let them shop around, there would be some empty churches.
MS will always do well as it is so established - even after disaster like vista.
I hope w7 does do well - i don't want millions to suffer poor coding just because they know nothing other than the cave they were born in.
But somehow - I will withold judgement of w7 till it appears.
youtube 'vista launch blue screen' if you want a reminder of a possible future....
agreed. Would like to see the figures, and find out who is getting it - my apple share divis are not that stellar!
Now, I'm aware that all computer manufacturers overcharge for RAM, additional hard drives etc, but SEVEN TIMES? I didn't know whether to call the Apple Store or the police.
Call the Apple Store - they told me not to buy their ram and put me on to crucial.
Correct, no new ads since 2008. I'm guessing that the reasons are...
1) The economic downturn. Not only makes Apple less willing to spend $$$$ on ads, but also creates a climate where being snarky about cheaper products will come across as mockery of penny-pinchers. Justin Long's smugness doesn't help, either.
2) The previous Microsoft ad run (the "Heck yeah I'm a PC, and proud of it" ads) sort of neutered the PC vs Mac ads.
3) Trash-talking Vista will only lead people to take a closer look on the upcoming Windows 7, which is a much better product.
Its funny because I have a nice modern powerful PC at home however I still always use my iBook even though it is terribly slow I just can't get over how much posts there are when a new add is aired, its a serious repeat of the original thread.
I just can't get over how much posts there are when a new add is aired, its a serious repeat of the original thread.Don't Forget...
Someone needs to tell those people that before they leave the store they should probably buy Norton Internet Security Suite and pay for the "Dork Squad" to install it and remove all the Trialware on the computer (so plan on tacking on at least another $300).
Someone needs to tell those people that before they leave the store they should probably buy Norton Internet Security Suite and pay for the "Dork Squad" to install it and remove all the Trialware on the computer (so plan on tacking on at least another $300).
Cool, does the Dork Squad clean up Macs too? Mine came with iWork trial, Office trial and a couple of games with only demo levels.Someone needs to tell those people that before they leave the store they should probably buy Norton Internet Security Suite and pay for the "Dork Squad" to install it and remove all the Trialware on the computer (so plan on tacking on at least another $300).
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iPhone and Macbook are hogging the ad budgets.
iphone next gen is out in june too.
Maybe this is how GM and Chrysler should go about marketing their cars versus Mercedes, BMW, Lexus, Audi.
How can they make a comparison when they only give the specs for one half of the argument? On top of that, there are many features that can only be had with a Mac. How convenient of them to leave those out.
really dude? All ads only show half the argument? Have you ever seen a Mac ad that tells the other side?
Come on, man.
This one was the best ad so far. I don't really like them but they did get Apple on this one, found a "gaming" computer for 1500 bucks with Blu Ray. And it wasn't a crap HP. I still agree with the argument that Apple has about 3% of the market-share and MS is trying to kill them for no reason.
Oh yeah, and this kid is spoiled as hell. My parents would have NEVER paid 1500 dollars for a computer at that age
Oh yeah, and this kid is spoiled as hell. My parents would have NEVER paid 1500 dollars for a computer at that age
I know I'm getting flamed for saying this, but frankly, MS has a valid point. They've actually opened my eyes to see the truth. (I'm a hardcore Apple user as you can see in the signature).
I'm planning to buy a 17" MBP, however, after reading such threads, had a look at the lenovo 17", I'm having second thoughts. I have a lenovo T400 from work, it's not bad at all.
I'm planning to buy a 17" MBP, however, after reading such threads, had a look at the lenovo 17", I'm having second thoughts. I have a lenovo T400 from work, it's not bad at all.
Windows 7 is what Vista should've been. Snow Leopard is what Leopard should've been.
Your point?
well if you are microsoft, you want to go at apple now, while the economy is down. they can't let apple get any more momentum, and i think these ads do the job very well.
That laptop actually looks good too.
Failed Conclusion
The Apple tax paper is so flawed when it comes to conclusion of the analogy it lays out. The only thing you can conclude from that is that switching OS is a costly thing, regardless of OS.
If you were a family of Mac users and you had several pieces of software that your using and depend on (In the white paper it talks about using the same software from XP in Vista and 7) when you go to switch to Windows you will have to buy the software again for windows, because your mac software doesn't work on the PC.
The conclusion is not that Apple has a tax but switching OS which ever way round it is, will cost more because you are starting from fresh.
If you have no software that you depend on and are starting out in the computer world go for which one you think is best (When it came for me to choose, I thought Mac was best so I bought a Mac). The only thing that paper outlines is the incompatibility of software made for each OS and that swapping it either PC to Mac or Mac to PC will both be costly.
Also the document uses old Mac specs from before January and does not give a good detailed analysis of the hardware.
Also the hardware listed for Apple section is being very limited in terms of that, people who use a Mac will have to buy an Apple wireless base-station, when they can easily buy the cheaper one if the want to, they are not stuck to buying the Apple accessories! Also the ATI Radeon HD 4870 has two different prices in the Mac and PC columns? The Mac price is much more why?
The slogan "Windows, a life without walls" is so stupid. Firstly all i hear from my friends who run vista is "argh damn protection thing asking me if i want to continue" constant firewalls that stop them from doing stuff with the OS functionality limiting their productivity. That is life with walls. In a literal sense, you only have windows where there are walls, otherwise why would you need a window to look outside of your walled enclosure (to look out onto the beauty that is Macintosh)
The Apple tax paper is so flawed when it comes to conclusion of the analogy it lays out. The only thing you can conclude from that is that switching OS is a costly thing, regardless of OS.
If you were a family of Mac users and you had several pieces of software that your using and depend on (In the white paper it talks about using the same software from XP in Vista and 7) when you go to switch to Windows you will have to buy the software again for windows, because your mac software doesn't work on the PC.
The conclusion is not that Apple has a tax but switching OS which ever way round it is, will cost more because you are starting from fresh.
If you have no software that you depend on and are starting out in the computer world go for which one you think is best (When it came for me to choose, I thought Mac was best so I bought a Mac). The only thing that paper outlines is the incompatibility of software made for each OS and that swapping it either PC to Mac or Mac to PC will both be costly.
Also the document uses old Mac specs from before January and does not give a good detailed analysis of the hardware.
Also the hardware listed for Apple section is being very limited in terms of that, people who use a Mac will have to buy an Apple wireless base-station, when they can easily buy the cheaper one if the want to, they are not stuck to buying the Apple accessories! Also the ATI Radeon HD 4870 has two different prices in the Mac and PC columns? The Mac price is much more why?
The slogan "Windows, a life without walls" is so stupid. Firstly all i hear from my friends who run vista is "argh damn protection thing asking me if i want to continue" constant firewalls that stop them from doing stuff with the OS functionality limiting their productivity. That is life with walls. In a literal sense, you only have windows where there are walls, otherwise why would you need a window to look outside of your walled enclosure (to look out onto the beauty that is Macintosh
)lol. I agree. He was 11? Though, to be fair, they didn't spend any money on it. My dad bought me my first computer when I was 15, it was 1500, but of course that was longer ago, when computers were more expensive...well, at least windows computers were.
Microsoft can't kill apple - they would be broken up by the monopolies regulators if they didn't have one credible competitor.
In fact - are MS still large apple stakeholders?
In fact - are MS still large apple stakeholders?
that was in response to a post that implied that after windows 7 came out it would be a comparable operating system and i was just reminding that windows 7 would be compared to SL not leopard
Actually I would say Apple need Microsoft more. Apple would get torn to pieces for anti-competitive behaviour (especially here in Europe) if they didn't have such a small market share!
Yeah, it's a Sony. Which for once is a notebook I would recommend.Remember that old saying, "You get what you pay for."