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iWork is nowhere near 100% compatible with office documents.

I have usually found this to happen when pages does things that word won't, like flowing text columns in text boxes or wrapping images, or typing in graphic objects.

Found that last one out by accident - draw a shape object in pages and double click - type away.

Great for polygon shapes for flowing text round pictures.

Pages isn't competition for Word - its doing things I would usually have used Quark for.

But if you keep your pages docs simple - then your windows friends will be able to open them no worries.
 
Tried Keynote? it opens and saves ppt files, but make presentations that are good enough for even the most discerning customers...

"Good enough?" As someone who uses PowerPoint and Keynote all the time, Keynote blows PowerPoint away in the final product department. I can make a far better looking presentation in Keynote than in PowerPoint, more quickly, and more easily. Yes, PP has much more functionality, and the free clip art resource is a far better option than Keynote's "go buy it yourself on iStock" (even though the free MS library is mostly junk), but I'd take Keynote any day of the week.

Just spend 5 minutes using Keynote's auto placement guides (click - drag - aligned!) vs. PowerPoint's cumbersome alignment options (click - click - click - click - click - aligned!) is enough for me. It's painful to go back to PP after spending time in Keynote.

I keep expecting to see MS copy some of Keynote's better features for PP, but was surprised to not see it happen in PP 2007. Perhaps in PP 2010.

Keynote (to me) is one of Apple's finest software products (though not quite there yet).
 
I have usually found this to happen when pages does things that word won't, like flowing text columns in text boxes or wrapping images, or typing in graphic objects.

Found that last one out by accident - draw a shape object in pages and double click - type away.

Great for polygon shapes for flowing text round pictures.

Pages isn't competition for Word - its doing things I would usually have used Quark for.

But if you keep your pages docs simple - then your windows friends will be able to open them no worries.

I'm referring to the reverse problem. Let's face it - the world uses Word. So when I'm handed a word document (or take my own word document) and load it in pages, it often looks wrong (many of my documents are hundreds of pages, with lots of tables, headers and footers, tables of contents, etc.) And if I save them out of pages back into word format, they often end up even more broken.

Like many people ,I can't afford to be the guy that sticks to anti-Microsoft principles at the expense of not being able to work successfully on teams that use the officially-sanctioned MS office suite. So I run Office on my mac. I can get away with using Keynote, at least, since I seldom have to exchange those files. And I never use Numbers because it (imho) it sucks.
 
That may be, but I know lots of people who use ppt, and have absolutely no interest in learning a new program.

Just got my mum a macbook, she had the same concerns.

But considering she was running xp - she would have had to learn a whole new OS and office suite anyway.

keynote is simply better - looks way more professional, and is easier to use.

She is loving how much more logical the process is and how much better the results are.

So my gut feeling is that Powerpoint, more than any of their other Office products, would be a huge seller. Even if it's expensive, but depending on how slick it is to use.

That is not a decision - that is a habit
 
I'm referring to the reverse problem. Let's face it - the world uses Word. So when I'm handed a word document (or take my own word document) and load it in pages, it often looks wrong (many of my documents are hundreds of pages, with lots of tables, headers and footers, tables of contents, etc.) And if I save them out of pages back into word format, they often end up even more broken.

Like many people ,I can't afford to be the guy that sticks to anti-Microsoft principles at the expense of not being able to work successfully on teams that use the officially-sanctioned MS office suite. So I run Office on my mac. I can get away with using Keynote, at least, since I seldom have to exchange those files. And I never use Numbers because it (imho) it sucks.

I find I have no problems with Word 3003 and above. XP does some funky stuff though from Pages 09 .Doc.
 
how many people are going to sit there and write documents or make major typing changes on an iPad?

...

Then again, you can't print from the iPad so that's a bummer for Office style productitivity apps...I hate reading anything longer than 3 pages on a screen...print it out so its gentler on the eyes, I can mark it up quickly and easily with pen, etc.

I am going to, since I'll be using an iPad as my primary device. And yes, you can print from an iPhone, and therefore too from an iPad, and that's before we learn more about what's in the 3.2 SDK. I've now had a peak at some of it and can say simply that...you're wrong.


What business is going buy an iPad?! The iPad is clearly advertised and aimed at games, videos, ebooks, and web surfing. Sure, there will likely be some "productivity" apps available for it but no business is going to give out iPads to its employees for work use.

The only business model I could see POSSIBLY rolling out an iPad (or any other similar tablet in the future) is the hospital industry...allowing nurses and doctors to carry around a single digital clipboard with all the information about the patients rather than carrying a few clipboards/paper folders as they do today. But given HIPAA and other regulatory compliance, the digital clipboard is years if not decades away from adoption.

-Eric

Well you've been taken to task here by many for this comment, and I think appropriately so. I can think of so many businesses off the top of my head that it's bizarre that you claim to only be able to come up with one!


Won't help sales of iPad IMO. The iPad is a media consumption device, not a productivity device.

Not for me. I will be using my iPad as my primary computing device, and I will use it to create content. And I am not alone.


This would be good, but without a stylus/handwriting recognition you couldn't do real work. Virtual keyboards are OK for light stuff but would be torture for a long document. I would also not be able to switch back and forth between my open document and an electronic dictionary, as I do all the time, since there's no multitasking. So I guess Office would not be the killer app to get me to buy an iPad.

You really think we won't have "multi-tasking" functionality? Seriously? And I put it in quotes to distinguish between the capability and the technology underpinning it.


And I laugh at your naivety.

People like you are the ones who predicted flying cars in 2000, you probably thought the Segway would also replace all pedestrians as well, e.g. This isn't the industrial revolution or invention of the wheel here. Times have changed and reality is far different from concept. People like you say "oh this will change the world" but then reality sets in. Who's going to cover training employees with the iPad? IT costs? Security? Insurance? Everybody already knows how to use a laptop and the iPad is hardly the device to make everybody drop and run to replace the laptop.

You do know we landed on the moon right?

As for your point, actually from an IT admin standpoint, given the right tools by Apple (and given the Exchange support they built into the iPhone OS, there's no reason to believe we won't see great admin tools for the iPad) an IT admin would *love* to distribute these in a business environment. The "closed" system - something so often derided and feared, actually makes it way easier for an admin to do their job (again, pending an expected set of admin tools from Apple).

Look ahead everyone, not behind - or that's where you'll stay!
 
They'll make Office for it eventually. I think the main concern here is how good it will be. Office for the Mac is ok, better lately but compared to Windows its still lacking. I have a very hard time believing they can develop a touch only version of office that won't completely suck. If they can hats off to them but I have very low expectations of quality. Knowing them it'll cost triple what the competitors charge and it will be poorly built.
 
Fortunately I made the business case for a macbook last year - and now all public facing documents and presentations are run though iWork before being fed back into the land of Dull. Not encountered major formatting problems and have saved thousands in print jobs that we would have usually sent out to contract design.

Pages is so much easier to work with, numbers does what i want it to do and Keynote is just brilliant! Try it - you may just find the results are a heck of a lot more professional looking.
 
And I laugh at your naivety.

People like you are the ones who predicted flying cars in 2000, you probably thought the Segway would also replace all pedestrians as well, e.g. This isn't the industrial revolution or invention of the wheel here. Times have changed and reality is far different from concept. People like you say "oh this will change the world" but then reality sets in. Who's going to cover training employees with the iPad? IT costs? Security? Insurance? Everybody already knows how to use a laptop and the iPad is hardly the device to make everybody drop and run to replace the laptop.

I'm pretty sure I've seen Captain Picard using iPad like devices on the Enterprise, so I'll put that forward as evidence.

I was then going to accuse you of using a strawman argument with the "change the world" quote, but then I realize that I have in fact been saying that lately.

Everybody does NOT know how to use a laptop. That is a generalization that just isn't true. Isn't even close to true. But I can say that everybody knows how to point to things with their fingers.

And don't worry about me. Eventually people like me get put in charge because we naively haven't already decided what was impossible. Then we hire people like you to run things like IT security.
 
On topic, I think that they will release a reader/limited-edit capability suite and sell it for $99.

And that would be good enough for what I would need it for.
 
Good point how can Microsoft compete with the $10 price tag? ($30 total for all three)

The probably don't have to match the price, look at iWork on a mac ($79) vs. office ($129).
Now if they'll make any money after all that work who knows. :)
 
I would actually consider getting an iPad if this happened. I am simply not content with iWork which is literally YEARS behind even free office suites.

And it would definately elevate the iPad's status from "toy" to "serious business iPod." :D
 

This is very interesting. If users want Office apps on the iPad, I guess the iPad is looking more like an Apple version of the Tablet PC.

The iPad may turn out to be a better designed Tablet (like the iPod became a better designed mp3 player and the iPhone became a better designed smartphone), but Apple will have to improve the user interface on the iPad to include voice and pen/ink entry for easier data entry for Office apps like Word and PowerPoint. This is something I would like to see, but I thought Apple was marketing the iPad as some type of new device, not a productivity device like a laptop or netbook. Is it possible that none of us really know what to do with the iPad that's useful other than to read e-books?
 
I'm pretty sure I've seen Captain Picard using iPad like devices on the Enterprise, so I'll put that forward as evidence.

I was then going to accuse you of using a strawman argument with the "change the world" quote, but then I realize that I have in fact been saying that lately.

Everybody does NOT know how to use a laptop. That is a generalization that just isn't true. Isn't even close to true. But I can say that everybody knows how to point to things with their fingers.

And don't worry about me. Eventually people like me get put in charge because we naively haven't already decided what was impossible. Then we hire people like you to run things like IT security.


hahaha, well said, count me in to help run things. Apple will be the ones to bring us the holo-deck for sure. I have absolutely no doubt....
 
What business is going buy an iPad?! The iPad is clearly advertised and aimed at games, videos, ebooks, and web surfing. Sure, there will likely be some "productivity" apps available for it but no business is going to give out iPads to its employees for work use.

The only business model I could see POSSIBLY rolling out an iPad (or any other similar tablet in the future) is the hospital industry...allowing nurses and doctors to carry around a single digital clipboard with all the information about the patients rather than carrying a few clipboards/paper folders as they do today. But given HIPAA and other regulatory compliance, the digital clipboard is years if not decades away from adoption.

-Eric

Err... better read up. http://9to5mac.com/ipad_big_4_business_459999
 
Is that really going to look good, hooked up to your projectors? An iPod can't even do SVGA, 800x600, which is the lowest resolution for a projector, so I doubt an iPad will. It uses a standard iPod connector, after all. Of course, Apple could have made it a real computer with ports instead of an oversized iPod Touch, but noooooo....

Actually, it pushes out video at 1024x768. See the tech specs page at Apple.com.

EDIT: I see aristotle beat me to it. :)
 
Remember what happened last time Microsoft made productivity software for Apple's brand new computer / UI (the Macintosh)?
I believe they rolled their own new UI to compete (Windows).

What do you suppose they are really up to in the wake of all their past failures with tablet OS's?

This is the first thing I thought when I first read the article.

Most people don't know that, but Excel (1.0) was first released on the Mac in 1985, while the first Windows version (2.0) was released two years later in 1987.

The Mac was indeed a testbed for MS to fiddle with GUI interfaces. The story goes that MS reverse-engineered a good part of the Mac API's in the first versions of Windows so they could easily port the more "evolved" Mac versions of their software back to x86. Supposedly some APIs/Resources in Windows 1.0 (or 2.0) have the exact same names as those in the Classic Mac System.

And let's not forget that MS threatened Apple to drop support for the original Mac if Apple didn't give them exclusive access to early Mac development kits.

But let's get back to the iPad...

Despite what Gates said about it, if MS feels that the iPad might be successful (with or without Office) against their clunky tablet-OS offerings, it's only to their advantage to use the iPad as a testbed for future touch-versions of Office that might run on some Zune-Tablet-OS thing that they may soon "concoct" to compete with the iPad.
 
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