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I find them great to look at actually, but car concepts aren't primarily done to reinvent the wheel are they?

Some of them have great ideas that never make it to production, but I like to see the tech. Ditto for this keyboard. Some companies show demos of their ideas, others don't. I'm sure Apple has plenty of projects that never saw the light of day, they are just secretive and don't show the public like Microsoft and some others do. Enjoy it for what it is. I think it's great that companies research some of these seemingly crazy ideas. Car companies included. Jet cars probably won't become mainstream, but they are fun to look at.

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Oh, I'll get to him, too. But you're first. :mad:

He deserves it. I usually have your back, it was just a moment of weakness.
 
I'm sorry, I don't understand oh, then tick but I could do a web search for it.:D

Nice attempt at another Apple hating :D, but siriously, she understands my absolutely messed up german/british accent better than most people do.

Disclaimer: This is pure anecdotal evidence :)
 
I'm not dissing them. But if you look at Microsoft's history, they've produced several "research" videos of technologies that never came to fruition and in turn never benefited our society.

I'm merely saying, "don't hold your breath".

99% of the time, these concepts end up in some product, somewhere. Just not quite in the ways you expect.

In other words, they're not just working on something and doing nothing with it. If they can find a good consumer use for their tech, they'll use it. If not, they'll use whatever they were working on as a launching point into something bigger and better.

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He deserves it. I usually have your back, it was just a moment of weakness.

Oh, that explains how the KNIFE GOT BACK THERE!

How could you?
 
Again, this product your praising so much from Microsoft only exists in this video and in your mind.

Microsoft does make pretty good keyboards and mice. I'm using an old IntelliMouse plugged into my mini along with a BT Mighty Mouse. The MS product is better and more reliable.

At work I've got an equally old Microsoft Internet Keyboard with PS2 plug attached to my Acer W7 work computer. After using it all day neither of my Apple keyboards feel all that good in spite of the fact that I like my Apple full-sized keyboard a lot.

Just sayin', Microsoft screws a lot of its products up but its keyboards and mice have always been good.
 
I could name several products that Apple has made AND commercially released (post Steve Jobs era) that I find incredibly exciting, but I have a feeling you already would disagree so I'll just save my breath.

Apple never demoed anything. What they did instead was released a couple of input device products called the Magic Mouse and Magic Trackpad, along with OS X updates that utilized and refined over the years some great gesture based OS X uses.

Again, this product your praising so much from Microsoft only exists in this video and in your mind.

And you're praising OSX updates. Operating systems get updated with new features added. All of them. Perhaps you didn't know that, now you do.

Trackpad with gestures, is awesome. Its one of the main reasons I own a MacBook. Not exactly new anymore though. Yes, it gets refined, but refinement isn't limited to Apple. TV's get refined, the PS3 alone got multiple refinements through its life cycle. You're bragging about something that everyone does. This may also be something you did not know. Now you do.

So back to my question, what exciting products has Apple released in the last few years? So far you've named a several year old technology and.... Refinements... Which you didn't even know everyone does.

And lastly, I'm not even praising the "product" I'm praising that they're actually introducing new tech and I'm excited to see where/how this can be applied.
 
This is how you know Microsoft still doesn't have it. Regardless of whatever this technology is, You don't go out and make a video showing off how innovative you are with some demo technology. You use the thing in an actual product to prove it's real worth.

I will guarantee this thing is a PURE gimmick. They're comfortable showing you a video of something they themselves don't know the value of.

This is probably very confusing for you, but this is called research. This should not be confused with the "research" you may have done on your high school history assignments. Microsoft Research is one of the last remaining industrial research labs, and it's where scientists conduct original scientific work and publish it. It's similar to academia without the teaching and grant proposals. Believe it or not, there are occupations that don't necessarily focus on consumerism.

This is also not a page out of Google's playbook; MSR has been around long before Google existed.
 
And you're praising OSX updates. Operating systems get updated with new features added. All of them. Perhaps you didn't know that, now you do.

Trackpad with gestures, is awesome. Its one of the main reasons I own a MacBook. Not exactly new anymore though. Yes, it gets refined, but refinement isn't limited to Apple. TV's get refined, the PS3 alone got multiple refinements through its life cycle. You're bragging about something that everyone does. This may also be something you did not know. Now you do.

So back to my question, what exciting products has Apple released in the last few years? So far you've named a several year old technology and.... Refinements... Which you didn't even know everyone does.

And lastly, I'm not even praising the "product" I'm praising that they're actually introducing new tech and I'm excited to see where/how this can be applied.

Indeed I am praising OS X. And?

I think the new Mac Pro, the new thin iMac, a MacBook with 12 hour battery life, the iPad mini and iPad Air, and iPhone 5s with Touch ID are all exceptional and exciting products for me. And yes, I absolutely cannot wait for the iPhone 6 if it's going to be as thin as the current iPod Touch.

Not sure what your purpose is, as that was a subjective question. What you find exciting and what I find exciting are obviously going to vary greatly.
 
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That's fine. I just don't care to know about it until such time.

These research may not even ended up in actually products. These research maybe or will be ended up as part of a epicure and you never know the amount of research behind it.

Take Kinect as example, do you really think Microsoft just can put this fantastic product without any short of research and development? And I know for sure Microsoft out lots of research effort on building a good touch keyboard. And yes, touch keyboard on Windows 8 tablet is fantastic

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Indeed I am praising OS X. And?

I think the new Mac Pro, the new thin iMac, a MacBook with 12 hour battery life, the iPad mini and iPad Air, and iPhone 5s with Touch ID are all exceptional and exciting products for me. And yes, I absolutely cannot wait for the iPhone 6 if it's going tone as thin as the current iPod Touch.

Not sure what your purpose is, as that was a subjective question. What you find exciting and what I find exciting are obviously going to vary greatly.

The new Mac Pro is good, MacBook Air with 12 hour battery life is meh... iPad mini and iPad Air is hardly any innovation, touchID is from other company...and iPhone 6 will just a other enlarged iPhone for the mess...with terrible battery life.
 
The new Mac Pro is good, MacBook Air with 12 hour battery life is meh... iPad mini and iPad Air is hardly any innovation, touchID is from other company...and iPhone 6 will just a other enlarged iPhone for the mess...with terrible battery life.

Hence the term, subjective.
 
This is how you know Microsoft still doesn't have it. Regardless of whatever this technology is, You don't go out and make a video showing off how innovative you are with some demo technology. You use the thing in an actual product to prove it's real worth.

I will guarantee this thing is a PURE gimmick. They're comfortable showing you a video of something they themselves don't know the value of.

This is called Research & Development. These videos fill the space of public documentation. Even if the exact technology being developed doesn't turn into a real product, elements of it combine with elements from other R&D projects and everything continues to move forward. That's what technological evolution is.

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... And yes, touch keyboard on Windows 8 tablet is fantastic

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The new Mac Pro is good, MacBook Air with 12 hour battery life is meh... iPad mini and iPad Air is hardly any innovation, touchID is from other company...and iPhone 6 will just a other enlarged iPhone for the mess...with terrible battery life.

MS fan? Apple hater?
 
Indeed I am praising OS X. And?

I think the new Mac Pro, the new thin iMac, a MacBook with 12 hour battery life, the iPad mini and iPad Air, and iPhone 5s with Touch ID are all exceptional and exciting products for me. And yes, I absolutely cannot wait for the iPhone 6 if it's going to be as thin as the current iPod Touch.

Not sure what your purpose is, as that was a subjective question. What you find exciting and what I find exciting are obviously going to vary greatly.

I think you quoted the wrong person. Anyway, you're prasing OSX because it gets updated, like it's the only OS that gets updated. Quite the opposite. I don't know of any operating systems that doesn't get updates, and I don't think you do either so I fail to see how Apple is being any different here. Sounds like you're trying too hard to me.

Furthermore, what I find exciting and what you find exciting might be different, but you haven't answered the question. What has apple released recently that's exciting? All you mentioned was a technology the released years ago and software updates that everyone does.

If the best you can come up with is "software updates" that's the clearest indication yet that they haven't done a thing. They've trained you well to have absolutely zero expectations.... And get excited about it.
 
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I think you quoted the wrong person. Anyway, you're prasing OSX because it gets updated, like it's the only OS that gets updated. Quite the opposite. I don't know of any operating systems that don't get updates, and I don't think you do either so I fail to see how Apple is being any different here. Sounds like you're trying too hard to me.

Furthermore, what I find exciting and what you find exciting might be different, but you haven't answered the question. What has apple released recently that's exciting? All you mentioned was a technology the released years ago and software updates that everyone does.

If the best you can come up with is "software updates" that's the clearest indication yet that they haven't done a thing. They've trained you well to have absolutely zero expectations.

Thanks for the heads up on the misquote. Fixed!

Sorry that you fail to grasp it but it's quite clear to me. I praise OS X because Apple's seamless hardware/software integration. Gestures that we've become so accustomed to on mobile devices have translated very nicely on OS X. I can pinch, zoom, rotate and swipe through Maps, Safari pages, different desktops, pull up mission control, invoke Launchpad, etc etc etc. Feels very natural and refined on OS X. Not so much in Windows.

And I did answer your question. I find that list of products that I posted exciting to me. And at least four of those products I mentioned were released mere months ago. The other two, the thin iMac and iPad mini were released late 2012, hardly what I would call "years ago".
 
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given the fact that they put the IR stuff between the keys, it does not seem so curious that they used an apple keyboard. most generic PC keyboards don't have that much space between keys, nor are they as flat.
 
Those of you decrying the fact that this is not in a shipping product don't understand how research works.

As a current graduate student studying some interaction design (within the field of media arts), I can tell you that this is a pretty compelling application of technology in this field. This video and project could easily be (and likely already have been) presented at an academic conference and act as the basis for a substantial article/paper and further research.

Companies like Microsoft and Google conduct research like this in addition to selling finished products. They are not marketing it to the public- macrumors just happened to pick up a demo video of a research project and stick it on their front page.

Keep in mind that things like Kinect and iPhone would not exist if this research was not presented to at the very least the academic community. There are so many papers out there on touch detection, haptic feedback, computer vision, machine learning (gestures), etc that are directly applicable to, and often predate, the products you buy.
 
Thanks for the heads up on the misquote. Fixed!

Sorry that you fail to grasp it but it's quite clear to me. I praise OS X because Apple's seamless hardware/software integration. Gestures that we've become so accustomed to on mobile devices have translated very nicely on OS X. I can pinch, zoom, rotate and swipe through Maps, Safari pages, different desktops, pull up mission control, invoke Launchpad, etc etc etc. Feels very natural and refined on OS X. Not so much in Windows.

And I did answer your question. I find that list of products that I posted exciting to me. And at least four of those products I mentioned were released mere months ago. The other two, the thin iMac and iPad mini were released late 2012, hardly what I would call "years ago".

I was hoping you'd bring that up :D

You mentioned iPhone 6 which I find interesting given the nature of our debate. You piss on MS for showing off a product that exists, but you cannot buy (at least not yet) but praise the Apple Gods for a device that doesn't even exist.

I think I've made my point rather clear. lmk if you want me to spell it out for you though.
 
I'm sorry, but the leap motion has already been out for a while and makes Microsofts low resolution gesture keyboard look dated even before it has been released.
 
I was hoping you'd bring that up :D

You mentioned iPhone 6 which I find interesting given the nature of our debate. You piss on MS for showing off a product that exists, but you cannot buy (at least not yet) but praise the Apple Gods for a device that doesn't even exist.

I think I've made my point rather clear. lmk if you want me to spell it out for you though.

And continue to be an angry Apple hater. Using phrases like "pissing on MS" to distort my original post when all I really clarified was that this idea may never come to fruition, is telling of your own stance as well.

I answered your questions. I don't know want else you wanted to get out of me and sorry if these answers weren't to your satisfaction. I told you exactly what Apple products in "recent" history I find exciting and innovative, yet for some reason you can't fathom it, so let's just agree to disagree.

If you reread my post, I said "IF" the iPhone 6 is as thin as rumors claim, then I'll call that innovative if they can keep battery life equal to the current iPhone 5s.
 
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Didn't watch the whole video (so maybe this is addressed) but my immediate concern would be how they control for hand movement not intended to be interpreted gestures. I can't imagine how this system would figure that out. I'm very fidgety as it is but most of us move our hands around quite a bit while we're working at the keyboard. It's going to take a pretty carefully crafted algorithm to differentiate regular hand motion from intended gestures.
 
http://www.kb.cert.org/vuls/id/222929

Note that this vulnerability is being exploited in the wild. Although no Adobe Flash vulnerability appears to be at play here, the Internet Explorer vulnerability is used to corrupt Flash content in a way that allows ASLR to be bypassed via a memory address leak. This is made possible with Internet Explorer because Flash runs within the same process space as the browser. Note that exploitation without the use of Flash may be possible.

Fixed that highlighting error for you.

Also, kudos to those who understand what a research lab does (hint: they don't produce consumer products), no points for the whiners who didn't.
 
And continue to be an angry Apple hater. Using phrases like "pissing on MS" to distort my original post when all I really clarified was that this idea may never come to fruition, is telling of your own stance as well.

I answered your questions. I don't know want else you wanted to get out of me and sorry if these answers weren't to your satisfaction. I told you exactly what Apple products in "recent" history I find exciting and innovative, yet for some reason you can't fathom it, so let's just agree to disagree.

If you reread my post, I said "IF" the iPhone 6 is as thin as rumors claim, then I'll call that innovative if they can keep battery life equal to the current iPhone 5s.

You're confused. I'm just an apple consumer who does not have blind allegiance to the brand. That may appear to be hateful to people who praise software updates as exciting but only when apple does it. #
 
This is how you know Microsoft still doesn't have it. Regardless of whatever this technology is, You don't go out and make a video showing off how innovative you are with some demo technology. You use the thing in an actual product to prove it's real worth.

I will guarantee this thing is a PURE gimmick. They're comfortable showing you a video of something they themselves don't know the value of.

My thoughts exactly while reading this. Yes, tech is cool, yes we can make neat stuff do neat things. Now besides playing around with tech, how do you make such thing applicable and usable by the general public? Neato tech doesn't equate to a product, stop being the guy with the audrino who made a light blink.
 
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