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While all these gestures and new inputs are fun, they all lack the accuracy of a mouse or pointer. The finite movement/resolution that offers is unbeatable.

I really wish that they would just make better responding trackpads and find better ways for 'gorilla arm' devices or touchscreen to work. They're all a mistake on a laptop but the tech itself is very interesting. I feel like it's way behind the leap motion controller that has been around for a while and also has no real world uses or situations that it out performs a mouse.
 
A bigger bug in open source software was announced around a month ago which affected a lot more. If what you say is true, no one is held in high esteem.
The effect was more severe, but the error more excusable.

Apple made mistakes that basically failed to demonstrate any good programming practice. Bad bracket use, terrible formating / no auto indentation or auto formating, completely ignored compiler warnings and IDE warnings, and did not even test core functionality. Thats bad on non-mission critical code. Its idiotic on mission critical code.

Remedying any single one of these 4 problems would've meant the error would have been detected before being pushed to release.

The library had a 100% failure rate to protect against the very type of attack one uses the library for in the first place. Worse, the attack vector was not targeted. It was a generic; as simple as just using a forged certificate.

Its like a doorlock that can be unlocked with any key. You did not even need to be aware of the exploits existence to actually be exploiting it.

For OpenSSL: it has code debt problems. And these have been known about for a long time. Again, part of the problem comes down to the source code not being well written, making it difficult to read, understand, and debug.
 
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Here is the Apple prototype.

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I'd love to see the comments here if this was project was done by Apple. :)

If it was done by Apple there would be a tangible product 3 months after we watched the video. Most the prototype stuff Apple are patents they applied for, this is MS saying "look what we kinda thought of!".
 
1 qusetion... Why did they disclose what they are building, and how they made it???

that's 2 questions but regardless..

technology is for mankind.. this idea of "that's microsoft tech" or "apple could do it better" etcetc..

it's just screwed up and much of this thread pretty much illustrates how the general population willfully submits to corporations.. thats why they can and do what they do.

but 100 years from now, when this type of technology, or further revisions of it is standard, to the point where it's not even noticed (i.e.- turn on a light bulb and think nothing of it).. do you really think anybody is going to worry if apple or microsoft was the company that originally funded the research.. or who the ceo was at that time? that crap doesn't matter.. it's the ideas that matter and it's the technicians/inventors who are the true heroes.. nothing to do with any individual corporation..

--point being- this concept that it's OK for corporations to hoard ideas and technology is actually holding us back as a whole.. technology is for everybody- it's all of ours.. and it's not OK for corporations to not share freely these ideas.. so quit perpetuating the idea that it is OK.
 
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Wow... it's like, the first cool thing they've done since Kinect... Let's hope they've learned not to release it while its in R&D phase, a la Kinect lol. Wish they'd do cool stuff more often. :)
 
Ok. I do a lot of image editing, web coding, typing, etc. I can't even use Apple's Magic Touchpad. I rarely ever use the touchpad of my 15" rMBP. I use a mouse. I click and point and do all things nice. I would never want to be moving body parts just to do something I can simply do with a flick of my wrist.

And to the guy who said he wants a touch screen, for you, I hope Apple comes out with one. For me, I cannot stand any dirt/finger oils, or anything else on my screen. I could never do any work with all kinds of fingerprints. Ever see what an iPad looks like? Now try doing some real work on that with all those finger oils and dust caked in said oils.

No, not for me. The mouse/keyboard combo is the closest thing to perfection I will ever see in my lifetime. For a content creation system, mouse keyboard all the way. For content consumption, sure, touch, motion, etc. that may work. Just stay away from my actual computer with all those gimmicks.

I am also in web development, also app development and graphic design.

I would never want something like this either, however I find the touch pad far more productive than a mouse, being able to switch between tabs, go back and forward in a browser, switch between applications, swipe up for expose saves so much time compared to keyboard commands. I use spaces over dual screen too so makes it easy to switch been desktops.

I have been using touchpad for so long now that my precision is perfect on Photoshop, and I can't get as close on the mouse. I tried using a mouse and it felt like it was cutting my productivity, even scrolling felt slower (and unless you use a mighty or Magic Mouse you can't scroll sideways which sucks as I scroll my browser tab list that way :p

So I think the touchpad (atleast apples one) is perfection - I can't see how this gimmick keyboard sensor thing can replace anything.

I have a leap motion just because I wanted to try it (I used it once) it wasn't a great UX to be honest so frustrating even for just playing cut the rope!
 
that's 2 questions but regardless..

technology is for mankind.. this idea of "that's microsoft tech" or "apple could do it better" etcetc..

it's just screwed up and much of this thread pretty much illustrates how the general population willfully submits to corporations.. thats why they can and do what they do.

but 100 years from now, when this type of technology, or further revisions of it is standard, to the point where it's not even noticed (i.e.- turn on a light bulb and think nothing of it).. do you really think anybody is going to worry if apple or microsoft was the company that originally funded the research.. or who the ceo was at that time? that crap doesn't matter.. it's the ideas that matter and it's the technicians/inventors who are the true heroes.. nothing to do with any individual corporation..

--point being- this concept that it's OK for corporations to hoard ideas and technology is actually holding us back as a whole.. technology is for everybody- it's all of ours.. and it's not OK for corporations to not share freely these ideas.. so quit perpetuating the idea that it is OK.

AMEN

there has been a very marked noticable shift in mindset from the 90's till now.

I have noticed it, and many people i have asked from mine and older generations have noticed it.

The Explanation of what I have noticed can't be easily summed up, but I'll try my best.

There is this notion, a theory of needs and wants. Called the Maslows Hierarchy of needs.

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As you can attain the lower steps, you can start to work your way up the ladder. If you follow it, and pay attention you'll notice that there is no real monetary values applied here. yes, you need money to attain these, but the end goal is to attain these things.

This has changed. in the current era, there seems to be a bit of a reshuffle. the mindset of the population is that Money is the top of the pyriad. Financial wealth. it trumps everything else, Thus often times, Removing Self Actualization, esteem and Love and belonging. The pyriad today seems to end at Safety.

before the 2000's, often the case, research and development was done as a "holy crap, LOOK AT WHAT WE CAN DO!!!!". there was a sense of wonder and enjoyment to it. It filled a Esteem need or self actualization. The purpose of R&D was for that. Should you happen to make money off it the better. The profiteering was an end result of creation.

sometime in the 00's, That changed. It became that the end result was the creation. Profiteering was the first motivation. Why bother making or R&Ding something if it's not profitable? that is todays mindset. It is also an insane barrier, since, as been proven in many fields (especially the medical field) many life saving drugs and techniques are not profitable, thus often ignored or underfunded.

I know this seems like a bit of a rant, but it kind of sums up a lot of the mentality that I see in this thread. Many people are attacking the research because they do not see how it can be monetized for profit in it's current form. They don't care that it's exciting new research.

it saddens me that this Money first mentality is the dominant one of today. I long for us to get back to a point where technology is driven for technology sake.

if you asked Woz and Jobs back in the 80's why they created the Apple computer. Their first answer wasn't "to make a lot of money". it was "to make a computer that every home user could have".

where is this today?
 
I know this seems like a bit of a rant, but it kind of sums up a lot of the mentality that I see in this thread. Many people are attacking the research because they do not see how it can be monetized for profit in it's current form. They don't care that it's exciting new research.

it saddens me that this Money first mentality is the dominant one of today. I long for us to get back to a point where technology is driven for technology sake.

There's a book out there called the Innovator's Dilemma that explains how this mindset gets institutionalized in big companies. Same logic used by some posters here - this research is a waste because they don't see how you can monetize off it - is the same used by a lot of corporate suits to minimize financial risk. That mentality ends up killing innovation, then the industry gets disrupted by a smaller company willing to assume that risk for a breakthrough and big companies end up dying.

Smart companies counter this by isolating their R&D from corporate influence. Google X Lab isn't even in the same building as Google corporate. MS R&D is similar. Apple, I have no clue.
 
There's a book out there called the Innovator's Dilemma that explains how this mindset gets institutionalized in big companies. Same logic used by some posters here - this research is a waste because they don't see how you can monetize off it - is the same used by a lot of corporate suits to minimize financial risk. That mentality ends up killing innovation, then the industry gets disrupted by a smaller company willing to assume that risk for a breakthrough and big companies end up dying.

Smart companies counter this by isolating their R&D from corporate influence. Google X Lab isn't even in the same building as Google corporate. MS R&D is similar. Apple, I have no clue.

interesting to note. I will check out the book if i can find it.

But its what I see. There are a few companies that still do this type of research. It's just unfortunate that this mass consumerism ideal of Profit first has pretty much attacked this form of research.

And example of something i read recently, I'll see if i can find the link

A new cancer treatment was recently believed to be found. It costs pennies to make, and it's completely not patentable.

Not a single pharmaceutical company is willing to put any money into R&D and testing because there is zero profit to be made.

just think about this: Pharma is willing to let people die from a curable disease, because they cannot profit from it.

let that sink in:mad:
 
implying that its only for mac? :D

Mac, Windows and Linux
fixed that for your



its built into the keyboard, thats the difference and hasnt been done before.

why shouldnt it be a wow-factor? a fingerprintsensor inside a phone created one of the biggest circlejerks here on macrumours, and it was not only not the first fingerprint-sensor in general, it wasnt even the first fingerprintsensor in a smartphone.

Ya got me. I just thought it was for the Mac. I didn't realize it was PC or Linux compatible. :(
 
not bad .... but...

Your doing this above a keyboard..... which makes it silly...

The whole purpose of this is to use motion away from physical devices, or when their not available, instead of being 1-mm underneath your fingers.


This looks like its mainly a use for technology so "hey, look... we no longer need to leave the home keys."

My reason ? lazy...... its a keyboard, use it that way.....

Their are plenty of after market products that you don't need a special keyboard just to use this "motion gestures"

Leapmotion : www.leapmotion.com

The break-away between motion and physical may be closing to a point, its just doesn't make it right, if their is a keyboard underneath it.
 
not bad .... but...

Your doing this above a keyboard..... which makes it silly...

The whole purpose of this is to use motion away from physical devices, or when their not available, instead of being 1-mm underneath your fingers.


This looks like its mainly a use for technology so "hey, look... we no longer need to leave the home keys."

My reason ? lazy...... its a keyboard, use it that way.....

Their are plenty of after market products that you don't need a special keyboard just to use this "motion gestures"

Leapmotion : www.leapmotion.com

The break-away between motion and physical may be closing to a point, its just doesn't make it right, if their is a keyboard underneath it.

I take it you're not a fan of a keyboard with a trackpad below it?
 
This is how you know Microsoft still doesn't have it. Regardless of whatever this technology is, You don't go out and make a video showing off how innovative you are with some demo technology. You use the thing in an actual product to prove it's real worth.

I will guarantee this thing is a PURE gimmick. They're comfortable showing you a video of something they themselves don't know the value of.

Holy crap, I didn't think even this piece of news would draw out a MS hater. It's hilarious to see people hating on even the most innocuous piece of news if it has MS name attached to it.
 
looks good, but.. im pretty sure your hands will get tired really fast on the race game :D
 
These motion sensing concepts always make me think of Douglas Adams. From The Hitchhiker's Guide:

A loud clatter of gunk music flooded through the Heart of Gold cabin as Zaphod searched the sub-etha radio wave bands for news of himself. The machine was rather difficult to operate. For years radios had been operated by means of pressing buttons and turning dials; then as the technology became more sophisticated the controls were made touch-sensitive--you merely had to brush the panels with your fingers; now all you had to do was wave your hand in the general direction of the components and hope. It saved a lot of muscular expenditure, of course, but meant that you had to sit infuriatingly still if you wanted to keep listening to the same program.
 
Sweet Apple ripoff keyboard design. Every other company shamelessly rips off Apple and it's pathetic.

Dude, a research department ripped apart an existing keyboard and attached a bunch of sensors to it...that's not even a prototype, (and, as many have stated, can not be bought in the near future) it's just a tech demonstration.
This is almost like saying someone who builds a battery-case for the iPhone is ripping of Apple
You realy need to relax a bit.

btw...you seem to misjudge the nature of the Apple/Microsoft relationship. They are working close together on so many levels and have so many cross licenseagreements that your statement within a thread about a Microsoft research project is just ignorant.
 
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