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Microsoft Says New Surface Pro is 1.7× Faster Than iPad Pro With 35% More Battery Life
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SO when Apple doing is great, when MS does it, bad? OK!
Apple does need to increase the 10 hour battery life I feel like they haven't tried to improve the battery life very much, 13 hours does sound better.
Indeed. Also they release a wide range of devices, and then claim 'up to' times faster/better/cheaper.
The i7 version may be faster, but it's likely not cheaper, and the battery life?
The m3 version may be cheaper and have better battery life, but is it faster? No.
Choice is good, of course, but sometimes you just need a solid base platform to build up from.
Let's see what the 10nm A10X brings in the iPad refresh eh? I hope it's an A10X anyway...
So the most expensive surface pro is 1.7 x faster than the cheapest 12.9 inch ipad pro. Wow.
And the cheapest models have more battery lige, but are slower, because of no fans(i7 has fans)
Wow talking about fair comparisons...
But i guess you can use that if you have a dozen of configs.
And the cheapest models have more battery lige, but are slower, because of no fans(i7 has fans)
Wow talking about fair comparisons...
But i guess you can use that if you have a dozen of configs.
In fairness, iPad has always gotten excellent battery life, most of the time I find well above 10 hours. I think it's quite difficult to quantify battery life as it's highly dependent on how the device is being used. Probably why they stick to the 10 hour as their baseline. With my use, across multiple iPads over the past 5+ years, I've routinely seen between 15-20 hours use.
But runs messy Windows 10, the only OS in the world with two different Settings apps.
Haha - the fact is, a Surface Pro is a better implemented idea than an iPad. More memory, desktop OS, expandable. It's a better workstation for on the go computing.
Personally I'm running Photoshop, Capture One Pro, Office, and so on, on a desktop (iMac)
Have you tried running large photo libraries on an iPad or processing photography on iOS?
Granted, that's one niche, but the fact is, I can do that stuff on a Surface Pro.
iOS is great on a phone where it belongs. On a 12", 9.7", or even a 10.whatever inch tablet with 32GB, or even 128GB it's fairly useless, no mater how cool the hardware is.
For my usage the iPad just turns out to be a posh internet portal. Can't get any work done.
Personally I'm running Photoshop, Capture One Pro, Office, and so on, on a desktop (iMac)
Have you tried running large photo libraries on an iPad or processing photography on iOS?
Granted, that's one niche, but the fact is, I can do that stuff on a Surface Pro.
iOS is great on a phone where it belongs. On a 12", 9.7", or even a 10.whatever inch tablet with 32GB, or even 128GB it's fairly useless, no mater how cool the hardware is.
For my usage the iPad just turns out to be a posh internet portal. Can't get any work done.
Lol at the people on here belittling how the Surface is faster than the iPad pro because the iPad runs an ARM processor.
I don't care what the iPad runs, they cost roughly the same yet the Surface can do more, much much more than the iPad Pro.
The ARM processor may be amazing, but let's face it, as Jamesrick posted before, it's crippled by the limitations of running iOS.
I don't care what the iPad runs, they cost roughly the same yet the Surface can do more, much much more than the iPad Pro.
The ARM processor may be amazing, but let's face it, as Jamesrick posted before, it's crippled by the limitations of running iOS.
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Gee, maybe because Apple is the one touting the iPad Pro as a PC replacement. If Apple can't take the heat, they should stop stop acting like the iPad Pro is can compete with Intel powered PCs.
'Bout time Microsoft update this thing.
We have a gaggle of the Pro 4s at the office, and I'm "lucky" enough to be assigned to one. 70% of the time it's docked at my desk, so no real difference from a desktop. 20% of the time I use it at meetings for notes/presentations, and it's indistinguishable from a laptop - other than the garbage keyboard, which is sadly worlds better than the crap on the 12" MacBook and the new MBP. The final 10% of the time I try to use it as a tablet. It fails miserably at this task.
The right answer, Tim et al, is a late-2015 MBP and an iPad Mini 4. I'm glad Microsoft is trying, and I'm not irate with it about 3/4 of the time, but the tablet experience on these Surface machines is just bloody awful.
The right answer, Tim et al, is a late-2015 MBP and an iPad Mini 4. I'm glad Microsoft is trying, and I'm not irate with it about 3/4 of the time, but the tablet experience on these Surface machines is just bloody awful.
Holy crap, those prices. 4GB RAM, i5 CPU, 128GB SSD... £979??! 
What Apple did was completely different and actually valid. MS just took basically top of the line Intel CPU and said oh look this one is 1.7 x or whatever faster compared to A9 which is probably 16 months old design.
Do you know what MOST means? It means many, might even be majority, but not ALL.
OK? So, a device that is being released today is slightly faster and has slightly better battery life than a device that is 1-1 1/2 years old? Sick....
New iPad Pros are coming, so I'm guessing this will be short lived.
However, I'm glad Microsoft is pushing out strong products that can push Apple to do better.
New iPad Pros are coming, so I'm guessing this will be short lived.
However, I'm glad Microsoft is pushing out strong products that can push Apple to do better.
https://blogs.windows.com/devices/2017/05/23/meet-new-surface-pro/#5odXAwygq6WyMZzk.97
"Up to 13.5 hours for video playback. Testing conducted by Microsoft in April 2017 using preproduction Intel Core i5, 256GB, 8 GB RAM device. Testing consisted of full battery discharge during video playback. All settings were default except: Wi-Fi was associated with a network and Auto-Brightness disabled."
For some reason, I don't think that people really cross shop the iPad Pro with the Surface Pro - they really serve two different markets. Surface Pro is more like a laptop that can sometimes act as a tablet while the iPad Pro is a tablet that can sometimes act like a laptop. According to CNet, they say that Microsoft wants you to think of the Surface Pro as a laptop with a touchscreen instead of a tablet.
I think that's part of the reason why the Surface Pro has struggled with sales - they are matching it up with a comparison that people aren't making so they are missing the mark. It's confusing the marketplace.
I think that's part of the reason why the Surface Pro has struggled with sales - they are matching it up with a comparison that people aren't making so they are missing the mark. It's confusing the marketplace.
I'm guessing the extreme improvement in battery life is based on the i5 processor model which had an active cooling system on the Pro 4 but is now fanless. I'm also quite impressed that Apple's processor is only down by about half compared to the full i7 in the Surface. That shows how well Apple has optimized the processor for the specific needs of their hardware/software combo.
The big difference still is the phone based iOS vs. the full Windows OS on the Surface. That is hampering the iPad's overall usefulness more than anything. The Pro level devices from Apple need to run a version of Mac OS that can provide all the utility of a MacBook with mouse support. No amount of multi-touch and pencil support will make up for the inability to select with a point-and-click-and-drag interface.
The big difference still is the phone based iOS vs. the full Windows OS on the Surface. That is hampering the iPad's overall usefulness more than anything. The Pro level devices from Apple need to run a version of Mac OS that can provide all the utility of a MacBook with mouse support. No amount of multi-touch and pencil support will make up for the inability to select with a point-and-click-and-drag interface.
Is this marketing spin for saying the new camera is crap? "I love my photos nice and soft!" said nobody ever.
How specific are we talking, exactly? ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
True, really great if you compare to the MBA; similar sort of life. Though the test is basically playing a video and wouldn't surprise me if 'default settings' for brightness were very, very low.
Not to crap on MS's parade as 13.5 hours is great for any laptop. But unless it's Apple, "up to x hours" literally means "you will never hit or exceed that amount of hours".
Surface as a tablet is absolute garbage, not to mention windows store is a desert. Jack of all trades, master of none.
Well, it's an actual computer, so you need to have more run time than a toy.
Exactly, this is the reason why they should remove the ipad pro out of this conversation and focus on how well the new Surface Pro competes against the MacBook pro and air........
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I suspect they *really* have tried to improve the battery life. The whole "thinness" just keeps getting in the way. Until we have micro-nuclear-fusion batteries... we're probably stuck. ✌
