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I see both avenues having advantages, but a basic user is more dynamic than what you're portraying based off your quote.

Web browsing, email, photos/basic editing, video/basic editing, music/basic editing, ebooks, word processing, spreadsheets, presentations, gaming (touch or gamepad)...those are all easily done on a standard iPad, and I think most of those cover what a basic user would be looking for in a computer. That's also a very conservative cross-section of what you can actually do on an iPad.
 
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Who said Apple can't take the heat?

If PCs are like trucks, and iPads are like cars, then Apple's argument can be that most people really don't need a large truck for day to day driving, and that a car would be fine. Sure, a larger engine in a truck will likely produce more power than a smaller efficient engine in a car, but that doesn't mean a car can't compete with a truck when it comes to needs for most people with day to day tasks.

Yes, ChromeBooks' popularity has proven that there are lots of people who don't need the "truck" of a Windows PC.
 
Web browsing, email, photos/basic editing, video/basic editing, music/basic editing, ebooks, word processing, spreadsheets, presentations, gaming (touch or gamepad)...those are all easily done on a standard iPad, and I think most of those cover what a basic user would be looking for in a computer. That's also a very conservative cross-section of what you can actually do on an iPad.

I think that's fair. And I think when you start getting beyond those basic functions, then you're looking at more heavy based platforms and software. Which iPad obviously has limitations in various areas. I think the iPad is great and it does what it needs to, but there is no one sided demographic. It's all based on one's productivity.
 
Less crashes on my W10 machine than i have on my 4 macs.
Just saying and I'm running only standard software.

I don't have hard crashes on either. I have more bugs and problems on Windows 10. On macOS I have the occasional program crash. But Windows 10 is much much worse.
 
In fairness, you're starting to tread into generalizations and what's considered a "Basic user." I think you will find out that an iPad primarily serves as a media device, which can be used for productivity. However, a laptop has a keyboard (Which only the iPad Pro offers as a separate purchase) and runs different platforms. Where as the iPad primarily serves as a touch interface with various limits in applications. Also, considering desk top versions versus iOS/mobile applications is something to consider as well.

I see both avenues having advantages, but a basic user is more dynamic than what you're portraying based off your quote.

I guess I agree with you, but I still think my point is valid. A large number of people use their laptop for web browsing, music, movies, TV shows, email, photo editing, video editing, calendar, organization, messaging, word processing, etc. Not all uses of course, but an iPad covers the majority very well.
 
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I never understood the rationale between comparing the Surface Pro and the iPad. They are entirely different devices. The Surface Pro is a PC that requires a keyboard to be fully functional. The iPad is a tablet that focusses on touch as the primary interface. Both run a different class of applications.

Does it? Honest question. I thought there was a tablet mode on Windows.
One thing the iPad won't be able to compete is local storage. I don't think we'll see a 1TB SSD on an iPad anytime soon. Especially since they're pushing iCloud storage.
 
It hasn't died -- because it is true. I have a 12.9" iPad Pro. It's a complete joke and a waste of money.
A waste of money for YOU. The iPad Pro has been very useful for me, especially when I am writing on the go or attending meetings.
 
Does it? Honest question. I thought there was a tablet mode on Windows.
One thing the iPad won't be able to compete is local storage. I don't think we'll see a 1TB SSD on an iPad anytime soon. Especially since they're pushing iCloud storage.
Tablet mode in Windows 10 is a major improvement over Windows 8. Still not the same as a "touch native" OS like Android or iOS, in my opinion.
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So a bunch of web apps can replace computer functionality, but an iPad can't? I am not really sure where you are going with this, but most people do pretty basic things on their computers. An iPad is great for these tasks and relatively cheap starting at $329.
I agree. G Suite or Office 365 on an inexpensive iPad isn't bad at all.
 
User for 5 months now and it's as stable as OS X is.

User since the day it was available through the free upgrade and on the Microsoft Store. Actually liked it so much I bought extra copies, around $900 worth. Each update causes more issues that makes it a much worse OS. It was MUCH MUCH MUCH better at launch.

I have had less issues (FAR LESS) since OS X Leopard through Sierra than I have had throughout all Windows versions from Windows 95.
 
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They're charging $2,700 for the top model that doesn't even have a dedicated GPU. :D

A top of the line 13 inch MacBook pro comes at $2300, but you can't upgrade the SSD to 1TB, I'm assuming they would be the same price.

I really like this Surface line (both the laptop and tablet) but the lack of thunderbolt 3 is a deal breaker to me.

Patiently waiting for a MacBook refresh (with a proper i5 processor) or a Macmini refresh. Unfortunately Apple doesn't have a single competitive laptop in my price range ($1200-1300) you're either getting years old hardware for today's price, or you have to spend way too much for a gimmicky feature (touchbar).
 
My father used to have a Surface 3 (not even the Surface Pro!). I thought it was the coolest thing having what is essentially a FULL computer (emphasis on the OS) in the palms of my hands. While the interface wasn't ideal for touch (unlike iOS which is designed around touch first and foremost, for example), it was really incredible knowing that I could do everything that a desktop or laptop can do right there on a tablet. It felt like the future.

For those of you negative nancies out there, I suggest the old adage: "don't knock it til you try it."
 
They say a LOT, but Surface sales numbers don't add up. Speaking as an IT infrastructure manager, we ordered a Surface book pilot of 20 machines on a potential order of 1500, it was canceled due to low customer satisfaction among the pilot group. Ended up going with Dell again.

Surface hardware is stratospherically expensive with respect to anything except Apple, and I look around Starbucks everywhere and see a lot of MacBook Airs, the occasional "9 pound piece of crap Best Buy Windows laptop" and an iPad or Kindle here or there. Not too many people replacing their $600 Asus with a $2000 Surface. They're somewhat hamstrung by OEMs putting the "Windows 10 experience" on machines that cost a quarter-to-half as much as their 1st party stuff.

given that Surface Pro is prized similar to the MBP, I won't get the Surface Pro unless I really need the touchscreen. Sure, sometime it is convenient to have a touchscreen but I don't really need it.
 
iPad Pro capabilities are so limited compared to a full laptop...I know iOS is a good OS and I like it, but there is no way it can replace a laptop!
Apple says iPad Pro is a laptop replacement which is funny and then Microsoft compares a laptop to a tablet which is funnier lol
 
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I got the iPad pro 10" and IMO it's a joke as it is marketed for the "Pros" or PC replacement. That thing doesnt even support a mouse. I get it, MultiTouch, you will say, but try doing sys admin work and your muscles will give up on you and make you hate it in an hour. This thing is a great media watching device, and with paired with a kb you can type something up short real quick, but lets be honest, at its price point you are better off with a real 2-in-1 device. What attracted me to the iPad was LTE support. If it had better multitasking, plus mouse support it could have been a winner, for now it just another crippled iPad with a powerful SoC good for nothing. I will get this Surface and see how it goes. Chromebook wouldn't have cut it for me neither. I also need something portable since im on the go pretty often.
 
I never understood the rationale between comparing the Surface Pro and the iPad. They are entirely different devices. The Surface Pro is a PC that requires a keyboard to be fully functional. The iPad is a tablet that focusses on touch as the primary interface. Both run a different class of applications.
And I wonder how many people complaining about the capabilities of the iPad are even interested in using it as a tablet, as a consumption device. Laptops have been getting thinner and lighter while more powerful. Why complain about iPad when what what they really need is a laptop?
 
given that Surface Pro is prized similar to the MBP, I won't get the Surface Pro unless I really need the touchscreen. Sure, sometime it is convenient to have a touchscreen but I don't really need it.
Microsoft has a different device to compete for users that just want a laptop. The Surface Laptop (i7, HD 640, 8 GB, 256 GB) is $1599 while the non-touchbar MBP (i7, HD 540, 8 GB, 256 GB) is $1799.
 
Are you still running the 4 years old beta? windows 10 is the best vesion of Windows since XP, is the future IMO. OSX development has been forgotten due to iOS. It just doesnt make much noise with each upgrade as before.
No, I am on current and all patched.
 
iPad Pro capabilities are so limited compared to a full laptop...I know iOS is a good OS and I like it, but there is no way it can replace a laptop!
Apple says iPad Pro is a laptop replacement which is funny and then Microsoft compares a laptop to a tablet which is funnier lol

It is a laptop replacement, for some. Not all.
 
And I wonder how many people complaining about the capabilities of the iPad are even interested in using it as a tablet, as a consumption device. Laptops have been getting thinner and lighter while more powerful. Why complain about iPad when what what they really need is a laptop?
cause Apple is marketing it as a "Laptop Replacement"
I have the iPad Pro to use it as a tablet which is very good, but a laptop replacement? no way!
 
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