Already aged badly with the new Snapdragon benchmarks. The Elite model is in the M2 Max range, consumes more power than the M3 Max and will look like a slug compared to the M4 Max.
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Already aged badly with the new Snapdragon benchmarks. The Elite model is in the M2 Max range, consumes more power than the M3 Max and will look like a slug compared to the M4 Max.
The Snapdragon Elite comes with 16GB minimum ram (double the base iPad) and is more than 3 times as fast as the old Windows on ARM CPU from 2 years ago. That alone will dramatically improve PRISM.
But is the Elite inside devices priced against M3 Max MacBook Pros, or is it priced up against the MacBook Air? In Europe it appears to be priced against the Air... and is LESS THAN HALF the price of the MacBook Pro with M3 Max.
You forget it’s Qualcomm’s first iteration of the chip and in many respects it already beats apples M-chips. We all know how “speedy and eager” apple is developing new products. Time will tell and let the numbers speak for themselves when the beasts are out the back. I personally won’t bet on Apple to hold the speed crown much longer.
I'm happy with Apple laptops, personally, but I don't understand this negativity towards other companies' products on these boards. Samsung sell a laptop with a good chip at MacBook Air prices, but with DOUBLE THE RAM AND DOUBLE THE STORAGE, and yet people here want to tear it down because it's not as quick as a MacBook Pro with M3 Max. I checked, and in Europe it would actually cost 2.5x as much to get the cheapest Max laptop, and then you're also looking at a bigger, bulkier form factor.
Competition is good, folks!! It's what encourages Apple to improve what they offer.
Competition is good, folks!! It's what encourages Apple to improve what they offer.
Qualcomm’s fastest chip barely beats Apple’s slowest chip. Huzzah.
Is there any one reality where Apple isn’t perennially one product flop away from irrelevancy?
They allegedly have an 80 watt package so good luck using that CPU as a competitor to the Air.
The thin and light devices surely won't run at 80 watts. I'm looking forward to the reviews of them.
They also don’t have UMA or a GPU as efficient as Apple’s, so they still have to rely on discrete GPUs with much less VRAM and a high TDP.
PCs by their third party component nature always struggle with energy efficiency and cohesive hardware. Apple had much the same problem when they relied on Intel CPUs and third party graphics.
…and yet PCs are the overwhelming choice of businesses and most people. It would appear that UMA, GPU efficiency, low levels of VRAM, high TDP, cohesiveness and the like are just BFD for most.
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That’s an extremely bad answer. You’re simply pointing at a widely established monopoly and saying, wrongly, that their users don’t want efficiency and better performance.
Don’t think Mac users want to go back to hot throttling processors? Once you have a superb SoC with UMA you don’t want to go back.
Judging by some the post reactions it is really clear that some people are actually just Microsoft fans pretending to be Apple users. They are trumpeting bad ideas and third rate CPU designs while slamming Apple for not putting out garbage.
That’s an extremely bad answer. You’re simply pointing at a widely established monopoly and saying, wrongly, that their users don’t want efficiency and better performance.
Don’t think Mac users want to go back to hot throttling processors? Once you have a superb SoC with UMA you don’t want to go back.
Judging by some the post reactions it is really clear that some people are actually just Microsoft fans pretending to be Apple users. They are trumpeting bad ideas and third rate CPU designs while slamming Apple for not putting out garbage.
Because you don’t like my answer makes it no less factual.
No monopoly, every device was and continues to be bought as a choice made.
Really? That’s what you get from the comment? OK. I’ve been wrong before and gotten over it pretty quickly, though I‘m pretty sure I’m not wrong here. The things you care about are not top of mind for most, if even in the buying equation at all. Those specs (efficiency/performance) are but two of many that go into buying decisions, and and I proffer rarely the driving forces. Much higher on the decision tree are cost, ability to use whatever products (software) needed for the business, cost, form factor, cost, any existing purchase agreements, cost, apparently color for some, and most of all cost. I’m sure you disagree. And that’s fine for you. Most of the planet however would disagree with you as evidenced by, as I may have very subtly hinted earlier, PCs are the overwhelming choice of businesses and most people. And by a hefty multiple.
Likely not, but these are already Apple users, not ROW.
My question is this: Does it have a fan? If so, then they aren't a competitor to a MacBook Air, they are a competitor to a MacBook.
The Surface Pro has a fan. Source: https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/202...ce-laptop-aim-directly-at-apple-silicon-macs/
The Surface Pro has a fan. Source: https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/202...ce-laptop-aim-directly-at-apple-silicon-macs/
It believe it does -- and I'm glad if so
I don't like throttling
Modern fans and cooling tech are essentially silent
No, my Samsung GalaxyBook Ultra sounds like an airplane getting ready on the runway and that's the typical owner on reddit says too. We do clean installs, we remove all the apps. No difference. Airplane sounds even when running idle.
So?
It's a monopoly that sells its OS on lots of cheap and **** PCs.
They went to court for bribing PC makers to put their OS on computers and established their monopoly forever.
The next step they will take is to put your OS in the cloud and that 'recall' will cease to be private no matter what settings you fiddle with. The privacy settings will probably be fake like it is with many cloud services.
Good lord a person just said Microsoft isn’t a monopoly and seems to believes people were given a choice. There was an antitrust case. Numerous thriving operating systems could have been around today some of which were technically well ahead of Windows.
As far as marketing goes Pros are not intended as consumer products. That is true, no one believes that, but that is the intention of the products, and that is how they are split. So it wasn’t some imaginary line I invented in my head. Apple has always(since Steve Jobs came back) tried to have a separation between the two, he actually killed all other products and made 2 laptops, and two desktops. One for customers and one for professionals. That line has blurred since the M series has come out, but that is where the naming has come from.
Also you can’t just compare price points and features, there is a lot that goes into the price, build quality, services, licenses, life time support, and etc.
i don’t care about naming, but I know that a “Pro” device is going to have better specs and features than a non-pro. I do agree that Apple’s entry Pro model should have better specs, even though it is better than the non-pro.
Maybe it was an intention 20 years ago? Hasn't been the case for decades, though, has it?
At least we agree the base MacBook Pro is a letdown.
So which will be better next year if we have an iPhone Ultra? Still the Pro? ;-)
Qualcomm still hasn’t caught up with Apple when it comes to the A series of chips, what makes you think they’ll suddenly be able to catch up vs the M series?
Forums and social media are open to people who work for marketing teams, including bots and odesks employed to harass people.
You can show them all the charts you want that shows a Snapdragon running slower and hotter and they’ll shift the goalposts and tell you that in June there will be a magical performance leap over the benchmarks released in the last week of May.