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Pretty nice work there :)

To be honest, there is a lot of overlap, but it is very telling how much in common the presentations have
Of course, it is much more telling when it is cherry picked and placed side by side

Still, it isn't surprising :)

Steve Jobs greeted the audience. Ballmer greeted his audience too! What a blatant ripoff!

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Are there any other ways to introduce products? I'd love to hear!

Yes. Ballmer could have strutted out in the middle of the stage, and dropped a Surface on the floor right in front of him.


"SURFACE!"


...then he stands there for 10 seconds and walks backward off the stage.
 
Steve Jobs greeted the audience. Ballmer greeted his audience too! What a blatant ripoff!

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Yes. Ballmer could have strutted out in the middle of the stage, and dropped a Surface on the floor right in front of him.


"SURFACE!"


...then he stands there for 10 seconds and walks backward off the stage.

Or like this, but with "SURFACE!" instead of "DEVELOPERS!"

 
i don't really see how this is a copy, considering they are talking about the same kind of product.

it would be like saying Chevy copies off of Toyota when they talk about their new model with regards to interior features, fuel economy, and ride comfort.

apple uses key buzz words, microsoft uses key buzzwords, they all do this
 
I think most of you are missing the point of the video -- it's the same product, two years later. At least, that's the main thing that had me rofl.
 
I think most of you are missing the point of the video -- it's the same product, two years later. At least, that's the main thing that had me rofl.

the same product? the similarities end once we establish they are both tablets. they diverge from there
 
I think most of you are missing the point of the video -- it's the same product, two years later. At least, that's the main thing that had me rofl.

its a tablet. there has been hundreds of tablets released by different companies.


you can make the same argument with macs and pcs. (yes mac was the first to publicly release it with a gui) but its still a type of computer.
the first car was made by Ferdinand Verbiest, everyone else copied him right?
Paul Nipkow patented the first television? how many companies make televisions now?

just like any product/market. video game consoles, cars, phones, shoes etc.

the more people trying to do the same thing, the more innovation we will have. Monopolys are not good
 
This all speaks of how good Apple's marketing engine is, that people seem to assume that Apple did it all first.

I even remember a MacRumors user once complaining because some company (I don't recall whether it was Microsoft) called their big address a keynote, not realizing that the word is a generic term and not something that Apple invented.
 
its a tablet. there has been hundreds of tablets released by different companies.

*sigh* Oh, well. I guess humor can't be explained -- you either find something funny or you don't. When I saw that video, I thought it was the funniest thing, so I was surprised to see so many "not funny" reactions here at MacRumors. Even before I saw the video, as I was following the live blogs of Microsoft's presentation, I was stuck at many points by the thought that Microsoft was copying Apple's style. I suppose the video was funny because it reflected what I was thinking already. Sure, okay, there's only so many ways to present a product, and if you just saw the video without having followed the entire Microsoft presentation, then maybe the snippets in the video aren't enough to get a sense of how much Microsoft seemed to be copying Apple's style. But having sat there reading liveblog reports and thinking "oh wow, Micrpsoft is really copying Apple's style!" every other sentence, the video just crystalizes how I felt about the whole presentation.

And yes, I know Microsoft didn't just copy the iPad, but came out with some innovations of their own, but ironically (or maybe not so ironically) it was the innovations, or more how they talked about them, that stuck me the most as Microsoft trying to be Apple. The way they kept emphasizing attention to detail, how they talked about developing the material for their tablet, how they tried a thousand times to get the sound of the hinge snapping closed just right...
 
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The thing that made me most angry was the "intersection of blah blah blah" that Ballmer was saying. That is and always has been an Apple philosophy. It's not that MS isn't allowed to HAVE that philosophy, it's just that by using it in their presentation, they're showing that they truly have no originality.

I also hate that everyone thinks the keyboard is the killer feature. This idea has been around for a long time. The killer feature is that the keyboard is so thin and is also the cover.

I also think a lot of the media is forgetting that Windows 8 is not a sure thing. A lot of things I've read about user feedback have been negative. I tried the beta for awhile and did not enjoy it. It's too clunky, too unintuitive, and is trying too much to be everything to everyone. Maybe people will embrace it, but I think it's going to be more of a Vista reaction than a Windows 7 reaction.
 
I also hate that everyone thinks the keyboard is the killer feature. This idea has been around for a long time. The killer feature is that the keyboard is so thin and is also the cover.

Good point! And I've been surprised that I keep coming across articles (sorry, no links, I've lost track), that speculates that the keyboard cover would allow Surface to replace laptops. One article even pointed out that a lot of journalists at the Microsoft presentation was using MacBooks, and said that Surface could replace those MacBooks. Except, there were no tables for the journalists, I believe they were all typing with the MacBooks on their laps. I really doubt you can use the Surface keyboard cover to type on your lap, it just seems too thin for that. But the article just seemed to assume "keyboard = you can type anywhere" without taking into account the physical logistics at all.

Oh yes, and the Intersection thing was the most blatant copying!
 
*sigh* Oh, well. I guess humor can't be explained -- you either find something funny or you don't. When I saw that video, I thought it was the funniest thing, so I was surprised to see so many "not funny" reactions here at MacRumors. Even before I saw the video, as I was following the live blogs of Microsoft's presentation, I was stuck at many points by the thought that Microsoft was copying Apple's style. I suppose the video was funny because it reflected what I was thinking already. Sure, okay, there's only so many ways to present a product, and if you just saw the video without having followed the entire Microsoft presentation, then maybe the snippets in the video aren't enough to get a sense of how much Microsoft seemed to be copying Apple's style. But having sat there reading liveblog reports and thinking "oh wow, Micrpsoft is really copying Apple's style!" every other sentence, the video just crystalizes how I felt about the whole presentation.

And yes, I know Microsoft didn't just copy the iPad, but came out with some innovations of their own, but ironically (or maybe not so ironically) it was the innovations, or more how they talked about them, that stuck me the most as Microsoft trying to be Apple. The way they kept emphasizing attention to detail, how they talked about developing the material for their tablet, how they tried a thousand times to get the sound of the hinge snapping closed just right...

i guess we just think differently, ive heard other companies talk about the "detail in things" lexis talking about the 100s of differnt blinkers they used to just find the right one, etc.
 
i guess we just think differently, ive heard other companies talk about the "detail in things" lexis talking about the 100s of differnt blinkers they used to just find the right one, etc.

Well, Lexis I can believe -- they are a luxury bland, sort of the equivalent of Apple in cars. To me, Microsoft has up until now been more about cramming as many feature as you can into a product, without much attention to how they all fit together. So it strikes me as incongruous to hear them talking about attention to detail.
 
I don't think the question here is about the hardware---the question is about the presentation itself. It had Apple written all over it.
 
Apple makes something-- Fanboys start getting all excited
Microsoft Makes Something-- Apple Fanboys start bashing with their inferior hardware
 
Apple was years late to the phone game too and they certainly didn't have a problem.

See below. Also, Apple brought a real game changer to the table. After the iPhone, almost every smartphone suddenly looked like the iPhone. I kind of doubt that after Surface, almost every tablet is now going to come with a built-in kickstand and keyboard attachment.

I don't think the question here is about the hardware---the question is about the presentation itself. It had Apple written all over it.

Thank you, exactly!
 
I think it's because many have brand loyalties and on some deep, almost primitive or immature level, they want "their" brand to win and the "enemy" brand to lose.

As a result they seem to box the competition in a no-win scenario. And the reality is, that's how they want it.

If they don't pay attention to details: "Hahaha, so cheap, so crappy, only Apple pays attention to the details, loser!"

If they start to pay attention to fine details: "OMG THEY COPIED APPLE! They can't do that!!!"

If they have a boring traditional product launch: "So boring, lol, they can't do anything right"

Then they take cues from the one product launch that everyone pays attention to, and "OMG THEY COPIED APPLE!"

We saw it with the ultrabooks too. Either the laptops looked like a pile of cheap plastic crap or "OMG THEY COPIED APPLE!"

There never seems to be a valid middle ground, and that's because the fanboys don't want there to be one. The only options they want to be possible is "Apple makes nice stuff" and "everyone else makes oversized plasticky junk". That way they can continue to hold in their heads that Apple is head-and-shoulders above and beyond any competition.
 
:rolleyes:

can you please show me this definition of a tablet that says it cant have ports? lol

tab·let/ˈtablit/
Noun:
A flat slab of stone, clay, or wood, used esp. for an inscription.
A small disk or cylinder of a compressed solid substance, typically of a medicine or drug; a pill.
I portable computing device who's shape resembles a tablet which does not have ports.
 
Well, Lexis I can believe -- they are a luxury bland, sort of the equivalent of Apple in cars. To me, Microsoft has up until now been more about cramming as many feature as you can into a product, without much attention to how they all fit together. So it strikes me as incongruous to hear them talking about attention to detail.

i agree with ya on the fact that they have been trying to do too much at once and not spending the detail on it all. that is for sure.

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tab·let/ˈtablit/
Noun:
A flat slab of stone, clay, or wood, used esp. for an inscription.
A small disk or cylinder of a compressed solid substance, typically of a medicine or drug; a pill.
I portable computing device who's shape resembles a tablet which does not have ports.

lol source??? you obviously made that up.

doesnt even say anything about having a touchscreen.

http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/1740658/tablet-computer#ref1124407
http://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/british/tablet_3
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/tablet
http://encyclopedia2.thefreedictionary.com/tablet+computer
http://www.webopedia.com/TERM/T/tablet_PC.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tablet_computer
http://www.techterms.com/definition/tablet
http://www.pcmag.com/encyclopedia_term/0,2542,t=tablet+computer&i=52520,00.asp
http://computer.yourdictionary.com/tablet-computer
http://www.dictionarycentral.com/definition/tablet-computer.html
 
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If they don't pay attention to details: "Hahaha, so cheap, so crappy, only Apple pays attention to the details, loser!"

If they start to pay attention to fine details: "OMG THEY COPIED APPLE! They can't do that!!!"

If they have a boring traditional product launch: "So boring, lol, they can't do anything right"

Then they take cues from the one product launch that everyone pays attention to, and "OMG THEY COPIED APPLE!"

We saw it with the ultrabooks too. Either the laptops looked like a pile of cheap plastic crap or "OMG THEY COPIED APPLE!"

LOL! Well, what can I say, it really is like that. I mean, I haven't seen any non-ugly products lately that didn't look like it was copied from one of Apple's. The fact is, before the return of Jobs and Jony Ive being appointed the chief designer for Apple, nobody bothered to make computer products that looked beautiful. So for the forseeable future, anyone who makes a beautiful computer is going to be stuck with OMG THEY COPIED APPLE! That's life.
 
so what's the point of this? companies always copy off each other, everyone sees what works and if it can't be improved upon it's replicated. sometimes it's improved, like this:

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The picture says it all.

One man introduce a Tablet PC.

Another man introduced an "iPad".

Very different products.
 
I especially like at time index 0:50 where he goes...

"Woops... hang on a... what... ahh... excuse me just a second... Surface works great for entertainment."

Thank you! I love how everyone skips over that gem. All the tech blog sites are going crazy over a product that froze, has no price, release date or specs.

Reminded me of the Windows Blue Screen of Death demo way back in the day. Granted, this time the guy had a spare and skipped over what he was about to demo.
 
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