Microsoft Takes on Apple's Entry-Level iPad With 10-inch 'Surface Go' Starting at $399

[eltoslightfoot]

As the poster had mentioned previously, it works for some people with very specific use cases. Yours included.

The guy you mentioned in your Medium link spends time to set up automation workflows to get his development environment setup. The issue with this in real world use cases is that you will need to be able to task, video conf / screen share, code multiple projects, ... all at the same time. His development process completely falls apart in real business world cases when it comes to this. The iPad is abysmal at managing multiple processes at a given time, which is what a desktop OS solves.



The fact they are getting praise is enough for now to update its brand perception. Most people know where Apple stands in this at the moment under this regime. You're basing this solely on consumer products whereas Microsoft is also targeting a different sector along with their Azure/Cloud initiatives. I don't see Apple here involved with anything cloud service related for businesses or platform agnostic users. Ironically, I read that roughly 80% of Apple employees back in 2010 (50,000) were Apple store employees. I'd argue that although Apple is innovating in their own ways, they are trying to provide a different utility to the world than Microsoft.



Apple certainly isn't doomed by any means in the next few decades due to the enormous amount of cash they sit on. However, when discussed about which tech company to hypothetically fall first (Google vs Amazon vs Apple vs Microsoft)... Apple is usually listed as one of the first due to their complacency and putting (most of) their eggs in 1 basket.



This shows how out of touch you are with anything outside of Apple.

Microsoft's roots were in desktop, but that is not their current biggest strength. Satya Nadella is changing their business to become much less reliant on their desktop and to provide more solid cloud services and product expansion.

As the poster had mentioned previously, it works for some people with very specific use cases. Yours included.

The guy you mentioned in your Medium link spends time to set up automation workflows to get his development environment setup. The issue with this in real world use cases is that you will need to be able to task, video conf / screen share, code multiple projects, ... all at the same time. His development process completely falls apart in real business world cases when it comes to this. The iPad is abysmal at managing multiple processes at a given time, which is what a desktop OS solves.



The fact they are getting praise is enough for now to update its brand perception. Most people know where Apple stands in this at the moment under this regime. You're basing this solely on consumer products whereas Microsoft is also targeting a different sector along with their Azure/Cloud initiatives. I don't see Apple here involved with anything cloud service related for businesses or platform agnostic users. Ironically, I read that roughly 80% of Apple employees back in 2010 (50,000) were Apple store employees. I'd argue that although Apple is innovating in their own ways, they are trying to provide a different utility to the world than Microsoft.



Apple certainly isn't doomed by any means in the next few decades due to the enormous amount of cash they sit on. However, when discussed about which tech company to hypothetically fall first (Google vs Amazon vs Apple vs Microsoft)... Apple is usually listed as one of the first due to their complacency and putting (most of) their eggs in 1 basket.



This shows how out of touch you are with anything outside of Apple.

Microsoft's roots were in desktop, but that is not their current biggest strength. Satya Nadella is changing their business to become much less reliant on their desktop and to provide more solid cloud services and product expansion.

HA! You just proved his point. They are caring less and less about Surface, Xbox, tablets, AND Windows 10 Desktop. That is what I really want out of MS. If they aren't going to care about that world and only want to focus on cloud services and server stuff (which I use at work), then they are ceding the whole shebang to Apple. Which sucks for all of us.

 

[pipis2010]

Return of the netbook

Evolution of the netbook actually... we just had to run one full circle to disconnect the keyboard from the screen, only to reconnect them magnetically again... that took us 10 years?

 

[bopajuice]

I realize, MS had advertised, but I do wonder how many consumers who aren't aware of this will stick with S because they think its more secure, and in some ways it is. The downside is you can't run all the apps out there.

I would guess that if a user tries to install a program and the S version won't let them do it, they should be able to figure out pretty quick they can upgrade to the regular flavor of Windows for free.

Personally for me, I would have the see the tablet in person before passing judgment.

It's nice to hear that there are people out that who don't experience issues with Windows updates. Sadly, I'm not one of them. Windows 10 updates for me, have been, and continue to be, horrendous. It's not just one device, it is all of them.

One issue that most likely won't be discussed with this Surface Go is storage space. The entry level model is 64GB of storage. Once Windows boots up and is configured for the first time, there'll be less than 50GB available. (probably less if there is a recovery partition involved) Every update nibbles away at that free space, and every quarter or half, a major update will take a chunk out.

Within a few months of ownership, the OS itself may take up as much as half of that initial 64GB. Want to reclaim some of that space? Perform some housekeeping tasks like disk cleanup, compact.exe, etc. That will regain SOME of that space back, but not all.

Yet an entry level iPad comes with 32gb of storage. Hmmm. It seems the price will have a big impact. The Surface Go with 128gb of storage is $549, and the iPad 9.7 inch with 128gb of storage is $429 for the wifi version.

 

[ipponrg]

HA! You just proved his point. They are caring less and less about Surface, Xbox, tablets, AND Windows 10 Desktop. That is what I really want out of MS. If they aren't going to care about that world and only want to focus on cloud services and server stuff (which I use at work), then they are ceding the whole shebang to Apple. Which sucks for all of us.

The only thing I got from his point was that Microsoft was a meaningless player in the grand scheme of things. I'd like to argue against that -- they are solving a different problem that is much bigger than Apple's perspective.

The hardware is always a means to expand the software and services. People always want to compare Microsoft to Apple, but my point is they are 2 different companies solving different use cases. Microsoft already bailed on the phone, so they don't care about mobile as much. So in that regard, yes they cede to other mobile companies including Apple. However, it doesn't stop them from providing SaaS products such as One Note, which I use way more than Evernote or Apple's Notes.

Xbox they do still care about -- but they are starting to build their games to be cross compatible with both Xbox and PC. They are leveraging Mixer, their Twitch competitor, to help expand their gaming sectors.

Windows 10 Desktop they will always keep expanding. There will be more integration points. They've already added native Linux subystem support.

Tablets ... see latest news.

But I want to bring up another point. If in 2010 Apple had 50K employees which only 20% were non-store employees, it makes their engineering staff pale in comparison to Microsoft. Microsoft will always have the ability to touch a broader spectrum of things compared to Apple which means more possibilities down the road.

 

[DeepIn2U]

Windows S is going to hamstring this, given that you can only run apps from the windows app store. I see the word pentium in the description and I can't help but think in 2018, that means running really slow. I could be wrong, but I think the advantages of the iPad far outweigh what this offers

Pentimento Gold cpu rebranded more modern centium line of cpus think Atom but with more grunt.

 

[pipis2010]

They used to say that a cellphone needed a keyboard.

No here it is different, because for a lot of programs you need a mouse. Besides, you still get a keyboard but just on a screen...mouse though is another story
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The only thing I got from his point was that Microsoft was a meaningless player in the grand scheme of things. I'd like to argue against that -- they are solving a different problem that is much bigger than Apple's perspective.

The hardware is always a means to expand the software and services. People always want to compare Microsoft to Apple, but my point is they are 2 different companies solving different use cases. Microsoft already bailed on the phone, so they don't care about mobile as much. So in that regard, yes they cede to other mobile companies including Apple. However, it doesn't stop them from providing SaaS products such as One Note, which I use way more than Evernote or Apple's Notes.

Xbox they do still care about -- but they are starting to build their games to be cross compatible with both Xbox and PC. They are leveraging Mixer, their Twitch competitor, to help expand their gaming sectors.

Windows 10 Desktop they will always keep expanding. There will be more integration points. They've already added native Linux subystem support.

Tablets ... see latest news.

But I want to bring up another point. If in 2010 Apple had 50K employees which only 20% were non-store employees, it makes their engineering staff pale in comparison to Microsoft. Microsoft will always have the ability to touch a broader spectrum of things compared to Apple which means more possibilities down the road.

Apple set the example 30+ years ago that a company needs to produce BOTH hardware and software to take full advantage of everything.

Microsoft and Google only recently realised this...

 

[thatguitarguy]

I guess IBM doesn't qualify as enterprise. I bet that is news to them. Even where I work, there are folks that do fine with their Macs. The people who don't like those people are the IT folks--who can't group policy them as easily.

Group Policy is a wonderful thing. Everyone should be under Group Policy. I ban any device that can't be under it.
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Not all work is operational work, which is what you’re definition of productivity is geared towards. I manage a team of 60 people from my iPad Pro and it has been a great experience. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but acting like your view is fact is pretty short sighted. Not everyone needs what you need. It doesn’t make the other persons needs and preferred device any less valid.

LOL. Not short sighted at all. I'm actually pretty smart, so I do know what I am saying is fact.
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Can you point me to the commonly recognized definition of "real work"? In all of my years on this planet I have not run across it.

Doing things that require a REAL computer, not a silly little content consumption device that can't run a full OS.


Interesting. What is this "business" you keep referring to? What does business do? What does it produce? How are iPads ill suited for those non-elementary tasks?

If you actually freaking read what I've said (go back to school!) - it's because they can't run full Office, there is no pointing device, no real file system. Other than basic tasks like light browsing, email, and maybe a small edit on a Word doc, they can't be used for anything more. The iPad is a joke for anyone who takes productivity seriously. Apparently you don't.

The next time you see Panos Panay, please ask him where all of those custom "blades" are that he promised were coming for the Surface tablets. thanks.

I love Panos. I'm sure he's doing just fine. He's probably a better person than you, too. I never heard anything about blades but I'm sure if he promised something he will deliver on it.

 

[mazz0]

i'm not talking about issues from updating. i'm talking about simple scenarios that Microsoft could have avoided. Example: I've had windows update restart my computer while I was playing a round of Overwatch. It's not hard to check to see if a user is currently using the system to avoid any sort of reboots.

I've seen Twitch streamers streaming to 500 viewers and then encounter a Windows Update that rebooted their computer in the middle of a live stream.

macOS handles it fine. yes it constantly pops up a notification asking you to update, but I've never had macOS restart in the middle of something.
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5 years to never
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i've had windows reboot my computer in the middle of games and important work. this has been going on since Windows XP.

If it’s been happening since XP then that’s clearly not a problem caused by being a 2-in-1 device

 

[farewelwilliams]

If it’s been happening since XP then that’s clearly not a problem caused by being a 2-in-1 device

i wasn't talking about the 2-in-1 aspect. i was responding to your comment about "There's stuff wrong with Microsoft's system, certainly, but I find they require considerably less downtime than MacOS updates do for me."

windows has been causing headaches since XP and Microsoft still has yet to address them. i've worked in the IT before and have found macOS to require less troubleshooting with updates.

 

[convergent]

You still don’t get my point.

Many people here are all too quick to dismiss the iPad on the grounds that just because it is useless for them, it must therefore be useless for everyone else.

You aren't getting my point. I said that many people are able to do what they do with an iPad. My wife is one of them. The iOS fans on this forum dismiss anything else because the iPad does all of THEIR work. And you are dismissing a majority of working professionals, not some niche market of techies. I work in a software company with about 20K employees, and I can say that a small percentage of them would be able to get by with iOS as anything other than a companion device. And any of them that travel a lot don't want to carry multiple devices. Any large business is going to have a significant portion of their white collar workers, not counting executives, unable to get by with iOS for everything.

It seems more to me that anything Microsoft does is being graded on a curve compared to Apple.

Microsoft’s innovations haven’t exactly taken the world by storm despite the massive praise heaped on them. I remember the fanfare the surface studio received here when it was first announced. Turns out - it didn’t sell at all. Not to mention Microsoft hasn’t made their products available in that many countries.

So yeah, Apple is doomed because they aren't catering to a small niche of nerds that hardly makes any revenue.

Microsoft is only being 'graded on a curve compared to Apple" by Apple fanatics.

Microsoft's is a software company, not a hardware company. Their hardware creates new segments that they are happy to cede to their OEMs. Apple has about what, 10-15% share of everything... the rest of that in desktops/laptops/2in1s is driving revenue to Microsoft. So that's taking a pretty big share of the market by storm. And that revenue isn't driven by a small niche of nerds. Information workers is a huge market... I'm going to guess its bigger than education.

At the end of the day, Microsoft’s roots are in desktop. That’s their biggest strength, and their greatest weakness. In that Microsoft is destined to not only succeed at anything to do with the desktop, but also to fail in any endeavour that has nothing to do with the desktop.

It is their blessing, it is their curse. This surface go product changes nothing. It’s still just another PC. With all the pros and cons of one.

The 2in1 segment is the only segment that is growing, so not sure how that is a failure. Apple is absent. Apple is not innovating... they are just slowly evolving the model that makes them more money by having people by multiple devices that do what you can do with one from other places.

The Surface Go does nothing for you, and nothing for anyone that is sold out to just buy Apple. But for everyone else, they just created an entry point into that market at half the price of what was there prior; and they effectively did what Apple did when they created the Mini... served a new segment. But I don't expect you to accept or get that.

Earlier, I mentioned I was using a work-issued Windows 2-in-1. It comes with a kickstand. I see the practical aspect of it. I just don’t see all the hype over it. Especially since the two positions I use it in, my iPad Smart Cover replicates them just fine.

And considering that most iPads will be used with a case at any rate, a kickstand is kinda redundant when you think about it.

Its not redundant with anything. You claim to like the iPad's simplicity and it being more of a true tablet. In order to "replicate" the kickstand with a cover, you have completely defeated that simplicity. You've added an awkward, floppy, non ergonomic device. And the whole, "everyone uses a case", argument is true for Apple because the stuff is fragile. I have never had a case on my Surface Pro... its durable and I can hang on to it because its not slippery as a bar of wet soap. The kickstand "just works", and serves many purposes.... especially in tablet mode.

 

[Soccertess]

I pre-ordered the 8GB RAM/128 GB SSD model, but I'm thinking of canceling. I love tech, but the problem is I already got a HP 2in1 chromebook and a small Dell 7140 windows tablet plus a full size Dell 2in1 8th gen laptop. The fact is, I hardly use any of them at home anymore, I just use my Note 8 for everything. I had the iPad and sold it a few months ago, it was just sitting their gathering dust.

I am at the point now that I really don't have much of a need for a computer anymore for home. These big screen phones seemed to really have killed off the tablet and pc market. Even most of my friends, they just use their phones for everything. I got a few friends who's only computer is their phone period.

Well, you have a note! Could you imagine doing everying on a iPhone 8 plus?


iOS is way too limited. Not to mention the comical relief of Siri, whose performance is the joke!

 

[spinedoc77]

Its not redundant with anything. You claim to like the iPad's simplicity and it being more of a true tablet. In order to "replicate" the kickstand with a cover, you have completely defeated that simplicity. You've added an awkward, floppy, non ergonomic device. And the whole, "everyone uses a case", argument is true for Apple because the stuff is fragile. I have never had a case on my Surface Pro... its durable and I can hang on to it because its not slippery as a bar of wet soap. The kickstand "just works", and serves many purposes.... especially in tablet mode.

It seems like he's just pulling stuff out of his … in regard to the kickstand discussion. 2 steps to ipad covers is in any way comparable to infinite for the surface pro? Hell no. I know he hasn't responded to me yet. If I was stuck with an ipad cover, especially that POS Apple sells, I'd shoot myself. I've had that crap before and it starts off floppy but kind of doable, after a few weeks it becomes so floppy that it doesn't hold it's shape over and the tablet falls down with a breath of air. Heck everyone on here is always crying about a couple of ounces of weight or a few mm of thickness, but they are willing to slap on a cover just to get a kickstand, well I won't call it a kickstand but rather what amounts to a picture frame stand at best, specifically a cheapie picture frame cardboard stand from Walmart or maybe the $1 store.

I can't count the number of times I used a different angle for a different purpose. I don't get ipads in that I don't get how people consume content on them without adding a bulky, crappy cover other than either actually holding them in their hands, or laying them down and hunching over them. The kickstand serves me in any configuration, from laying flat in bed to hanging upside down (hehe, yes with my gravity boots).

I refuse to buy any full size tablet without a built in kickstand, it's just an inferior tablet right off the bat. If the purpose of a tablet is to consume content, the lack of a kickstand makes it that much more difficult to do.

 

[OneMike]

for me,comparing with iPad..i see 'only' one advantage "KickStand". for Ipad you dont have any thing like that.
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why nonsense? every microsoft update comes up with new issues..there are some improvements, but again every update leaves some mess..

Same could be said about Apple or any software for that matter. Bugs get fixed. Others gets created.

 

[bopajuice]

i wasn't talking about the 2-in-1 aspect. i was responding to your comment about "There's stuff wrong with Microsoft's system, certainly, but I find they require considerably less downtime than MacOS updates do for me."

windows has been causing headaches since XP and Microsoft still has yet to address them. i've worked in the IT before and have found macOS to require less troubleshooting with updates.

Funny. I work for a medium sized corporation and I know more about IT than our IT guy. Especially when it comes to MacOS and Apple products. Go figure.

 

[R.P.G]

thats is the specific reason, i mentioned "Common Problem". it is not anecdotal. it is wide spread common issue after update. Just becoz you dont have any issue, doesnt make nobody has issues.
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I only say FUD because it's anecdotal, it's one person saying they had an issue. Just because my iPhone x and ipad have issues I cannot say everyone has issues with iOS. This entire windows is unstable, or has major issues with updates thing is just overhyped and overblown. As I stated previously all technology has issues, including Apple, Android, or anything else. Now a small portion of those issues may be serious, such as what you are experiencing, but no more than what someone on another paradigm might experience.

Just last week my wife's iPhone 7 crapped out, it refused to connect to the carrier. After going through Apple and Verizon tech support and a week of not being able to make or receive phone calls finally I came across an article that revealed these phones had mainboard issues and were being repaired out of warranty, supposedly it's fairly widespread for that model. That's a pretty huge issue there, but I'm not saying it's endemic to all hardware, although I'll bet it's more widespread than your issue.

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Not much after that rant.
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And not the mouse support?

i hate mouse..so cant comment.

 

[iamtheonlyone4ever]

windows fan boys
you can't handle the truth
this is dedicated to you
stop living in denial
but don't worry here is a dose of reality
for all the ones that get mad and don't want to accept that all Microsoft is doing is copying Mac OS
of course there are many more proof like this one
but I'm just sticking to the topic

does it look familiar
does it ring any bell

[doublepost=1531378750][/doublepost]windows App Store failure
they also tried to compete against steam
another failed attempt
I guess they never learn
if they go into the car business then they will crash a car like 10 million times
please don't buy gear of wars 4, it will freeze or it will crash
and yes it is a windows game
not a bad game but the problem is that Microsoft ruined the game
it doesn't matter how good a game is, if you can't play it

 

[BigDO]

windows fan boys
you can't handle the truth
this is dedicated to you
stop living in denial
but don't worry here is a dose of reality
for all the ones that get mad and don't want to accept that all Microsoft is doing is copying Mac OS
of course there are many more proof like this one
but I'm just sticking to the topic

does it look familiar
does it ring any bell

[doublepost=1531378750][/doublepost]windows App Store failure
they also tried to compete against steam
another failed attempt
I guess they never learn
if they go into the car business then they will crash a car like 10 million times
please don't buy gear of wars 4, it will freeze or it will crash
and yes it is a windows game
not a bad game but the problem is that Microsoft ruined the game
it doesn't matter how good a game is, if you can't play it

Is this meant to be poetry or what? Some sort of abstract art?

Please can someone translate?

 

[DNichter]

This argument just gets dumber and dumber. PC users are scared of the iPad because it’s becoming more and more capable and infringing on their PC ways. iPad people get annoyed because people claim they are toys or can’t get real work done. It just keeps going and going. Use whatever works for your tasks. Everyone’s needs are different. If you don’t like Apple’s approach, there are plenty of other fine options from the competition. No ones use cases are more important/valid than anyone else. Just move on.

 

[the-msa]

I would suggest that to upgrade to full windows, one would need the 8/128 system to have any real chance of a fully functioning Windows 10. Otherwise, stuck with Windows S.

would probably be the better experience, but windows 10 runs perfectly fine with 4gb, just fyi.

 

[Abazigal]

It seems like he's just pulling stuff out of his … in regard to the kickstand discussion. 2 steps to ipad covers is in any way comparable to infinite for the surface pro? Hell no. I know he hasn't responded to me yet. If I was stuck with an ipad cover, especially that POS Apple sells, I'd shoot myself. I've had that crap before and it starts off floppy but kind of doable, after a few weeks it becomes so floppy that it doesn't hold it's shape over and the tablet falls down with a breath of air. Heck everyone on here is always crying about a couple of ounces of weight or a few mm of thickness, but they are willing to slap on a cover just to get a kickstand, well I won't call it a kickstand but rather what amounts to a picture frame stand at best, specifically a cheapie picture frame cardboard stand from Walmart or maybe the $1 store.

Apologies for the long wait. Thursdays are typically my longest days in school and I have only just gotten home and finished my dinner. Current chilling on my sofa for a while with my iPad before I go for a shower. It also gets dirty pretty fast, I give you that.

Otherwise, I have been pretty satisfied with my iPad Smart Cover. Yeah, it has like 2 viewing angles and those angles are pretty much the two angles I really need. One for propping it up when I want to watch content, and another for laying down when I want to write.

And I have never had my iPad flop back.

You are kinda right about the quality of the iPad Smart Cover. Mine is starting to come apart at the seams, but I bought it last February, and I suppose 1 year and 5 months is quite different from a couple of weeks.

I can't count the number of times I used a different angle for a different purpose. I don't get ipads in that I don't get how people consume content on them without adding a bulky, crappy cover other than either actually holding them in their hands, or laying them down and hunching over them. The kickstand serves me in any configuration, from laying flat in bed to hanging upside down (hehe, yes with my gravity boots).

I am currently sitting on my sofa with my legs raised at an angle and my iPad is resting on my thigh in portrait mode, while typing to you in tapatalk. And I have pretty much done this since I got my first iPad in 2012.

And my Smart Cover is never deployed in such situations. The only time I use it is when I am placing my iPad on a flat table surface.

I refuse to buy any full size tablet without a built in kickstand, it's just an inferior tablet right off the bat. If the purpose of a tablet is to consume content, the lack of a kickstand makes it that much more difficult to do.

I probably wouldn’t mind the iPad getting a kickstand, but I don’t see myself using it much. For one, I would be adding a thin case for an Apple Pencil slot anyways. And I am seriously tempted to go the dual-iPad route, where I keep my current 9.7” iPad Pro for work and maybe get a larger iPad for home use (looks like it might be nice for reading pdf documents and viewing content), where I may pair it with a Smart Keyboard.

I guess I have been using my iPad wrong these 6 years then. I honestly have not felt disadvantaged by the lack of a kickstand.

 

[mazz0]

i wasn't talking about the 2-in-1 aspect. i was responding to your comment about "There's stuff wrong with Microsoft's system, certainly, but I find they require considerably less downtime than MacOS updates do for me."

Oh yeah, sorry - got muddled.

 

[eltoslightfoot]

would probably be the better experience, but windows 10 runs perfectly fine with 4gb, just fyi.

Your definition of fine and mine are apparently different. I have 16 GB and am goign to add 16 GB more.

 

[farewelwilliams]

Funny. I work for a medium sized corporation and I know more about IT than our IT guy. Especially when it comes to MacOS and Apple products. Go figure.

probably should get your company to sack that IT guy then.

 

[convergent]

... I am seriously tempted to go the dual-iPad route, where I keep my current 9.7” iPad Pro for work and maybe get a larger iPad for home use (looks like it might be nice for reading pdf documents and viewing content), where I may pair it with a Smart Keyboard.

You just defeated your own argument that the Surface Go serves no purpose. You are describing buying two tablets of different sizes for different purpose. There's your purpose of the Surface Go vs. the Surface Pro.
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windows fan boys
you can't handle the truth
this is dedicated to you
stop living in denial
but don't worry here is a dose of reality
for all the ones that get mad and don't want to accept that all Microsoft is doing is copying Mac OS
of course there are many more proof like this one
but I'm just sticking to the topic
...
does it look familiar
does it ring any bell
...
windows App Store failure
they also tried to compete against steam
another failed attempt
I guess they never learn
if they go into the car business then they will crash a car like 10 million times
please don't buy gear of wars 4, it will freeze or it will crash
and yes it is a windows game
not a bad game but the problem is that Microsoft ruined the game
it doesn't matter how good a game is, if you can't play it

Now now, it will be OK. You seem to be getting way more "mad" than anyone else in the thread. I know its rough to see companies producing things that Apple refuses to, but you can still keep using your Apple stuff. I'm quite happy with my Surface Pro... if its not your cup of tea then that's cool. It has crashed no more or no less than the Mac sitting on the other side of my desk. Now the question is why has a thread about a Microsoft tablet gotten you so worked up?

In spite of this supposed "failure" you speak of, Microsoft's market share is what... let's see?

 

[iamtheonlyone4ever]

Is this meant to be poetry or what? Some sort of abstract art?

Please can someone translate?

if you don't understand is not because my English is not perfect
be a man and say what you mean straight up instead of implying
I get your point, you just trying to be funny
you can easily tell when someone talk a different language
you want to make fun of me
tell me how many languages do you speak
how many different languages can you write

I really don't know why you have that avatar picture
maybe is because that is the kind of man you will like to be
it takes more than muscle to be a real man
maybe you should workout your brain instead of your mouth
maybe that is the reason why you don't understand

I know my English is not perfect but I'm sure someone with an average brain can understand
don't get mad just because you are below the avg
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You just defeated your own argument that the Surface Go serves no purpose. You are describing buying two tablets of different sizes for different purpose. There's your purpose of the Surface Go vs. the Surface Pro.
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Now now, it will be OK. You seem to be getting way more "mad" than anyone else in the thread. I know its rough to see companies producing things that Apple refuses to, but you can still keep using your Apple stuff. I'm quite happy with my Surface Pro... if its not your cup of tea then that's cool. It has crashed no more or no less than the Mac sitting on the other side of my desk. Now the question is why has a thread about a Microsoft tablet gotten you so worked up?

In spite of this supposed "failure" you speak of, Microsoft's market share is what... let's see?

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trust me I'm not mad, it just seems that way
I just hate the fact that some people don't accept the truth

can we game on Mac the same way we game on windows?
no
so you see and I'm realistic and I accept the truth
I can play some games, ports, emulators but is not the same, we all know why
so no point going out the topic

what it bothers me is people that don't know nothing about windows
denying the truth
I lived the windows evolution
now we have PS4 and xbox 1 etc
but let's never forget Atari
if it wasn't for Atari we won't be here today

in my opinion windows 10 is a disaster
no problem if many of you think different I don't forced people to think like me
but don't tell me to eat something I don't like or to think like the ones that like windows either

I'm not mad
I'm simply exposing Microsoft
windows never had features, they stole that word and that mechanism from Mac OS
that is what apple does they add features

Microsoft didn't stole just the word but everything else, let's just call it like it is
if any of you like windows , fine with me but I have a millions reasons why I don't like it

all I was saying is that Microsoft been copying Mac OS
then the ones that don't know what's going on

oh windows 10 is really good
yes good stolen technology

the ones that started with windows 10 or windows 8 will never understand
that's why I mentioned the world evolution
but the ones that started from windows 3.1 windows 95 or windows 98 all the way up
will definitely understand what is a true desktop operating system
not this crap called w10
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Your definition of fine and mine are apparently different. I have 16 GB and am goign to add 16 GB more.

exactly, many people say that windows run fines with 1 gig of ram a Celeron Cpu and a 5400 rpm hard drive
which is total non sense
when you use a real pc
i9 or i7
32. 64 or 128 gigs of ram
m.2 drives etc

until you experience real speed then you will never know what is fast and what is slow

I know many people that make the same claim
my pc run fast and when I go to their house
I ask them
do you call that fast?
do you consider that fast?
maybe you don't know what fast is
I tell them let's go to my house and I will show lighting fast speed
but I warned you after you click on my pc
you no longer will want you pc
and when you be alone at home you will fell like crying
because then you will realized the truth
your pc is slow
so I completely agreed with eltoslightfoot answer