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The sad part is that even if you pay for your OS, Google will inundate you with advertisements. Microsoft should make an OS and browser that has 'don't track' and 'no ads' options.
I was under the impression that the fact that don't track was enabled was a point of controversy.

http://ie.microsoft.com/TEStdrive/Browser/DoNotTrack/Default.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Do_Not_Track

I agree with you although I wouldn't say they nailed it. The dual-OS idea still needs some work but as it stands with 8.1, is perfectly usable (with 8.0 it was certainly clunky). Faster, more stable and feature complete than Windows 7.

And, unlike Apple, Microsoft have focused a lot into compatibility so older desktop apps continue to work just fine.

I can still run 15 year old games flawlessly in 8.1. I sadly can't say the same for OS X.
 
Microsoft already alienated OEMs when they took what their OEMs were doing for windows 8 tablets, stole some ideas, and sold their own tablet cheaper (since Microsoft doesn't pay the royalty to themselves). This won't win them back.
 
Wow! Haha, what a POS OS, both as a Desktop and Server OS. Microsoft definitely has no vision these days. I would maybe give this OS an opportunity as a tablet OS, for everything else it's just plain horrible. Here is your perfect example of mostly outsourced development work...Maybe if you were willing to pay more and build this thing in the US you could stand a chance Microsoft.


-Mike

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Which makes sense, because Microsoft is in the middle of transferring to a Devices and Services company. They're still a software company right now.

Yeah their next step will be to make Barbie Dolls so they can survive :)

-Mike
 
Wow! Haha, what a POS OS, both as a Desktop and Server OS. Microsoft definitely has no vision these days. I would maybe give this OS an opportunity as a tablet OS, for everything else it's just plain horrible. Here is your perfect example of mostly outsourced development work...Maybe if you were willing to pay more and build this thing in the US you could stand a chance Microsoft.


-Mike

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Yeah their next step will be to make Barbie Dolls so they can survive :)

-Mike

Microsoft doesn't have vision these days? You might disagree with their vision, but don't say they don't have one.
 
When Bill Gates can't even update his work computer to 8.1, that sure says something about the Windows experience...

That was a work of satire. It takes 2 clicks to update from 8 to 8.1

1. Go into the App Store
2. Find the 8.1 update
3. Click update
 
don't think so

I do (regrettably) need to install Windows on my iMac this weekend... does this mean I can get Windows 7 for a lot cheaper (without becoming illegal) if I wait?

I don't think so. It won't be cheaper for individuals, only for OEMs.

And this is for Win8/8.1 and not Win7. Even when MS has the special $39 deal for Win 8 Pro, the price for Win 7 upgrade was $199. Go figure.
 
Competition is good and lowers prices for the "consumer". Excellent news but why not lower the price of the full retail disc to $30 Microsoft? That would more than double their numbers.

This is the key that people are missing. This has no impact on the millions of people who have Windows 7 and would like to upgrade to Windows 8.1, if nothing more than to try it out. I have 3 machines all with full legal license to Windows 7 that I purchased for $150+ (Family pack but I also had a $100 off gift card). I looked at Windows 8 and thought I'd give it a try but not for another $225+. If it was $20 per machine, I'd do it in a heart beat.

MS should just drop the price for the full version to $49.99 (one version, includes everything); and $19.99 for the upgrade. Get the people to move, to upgrade, to keep moving with the technology. Sell them Office, sell them other things, sell your enterprise services.
 
One of the most publicized new features of windows 8.1, comparing to Windows 8, was precisely the inclusion of the start button functionality.
You don't need a third-party program for that.


So you haven't used Windows 8.1... The "start" button in 8.1 only brings you to Metro. It does not act as the start button of Windows 7. So to make the 8.1 start button act like Windows 7, you still need a third party utility unfortunately. With Start8, I get the same start button features as Windows 7.
 
This article is a little misleading because Microsoft is only reducing prices on devices that sell for $250 or less. Since Macs and iOS devices cost more than this (pre-subsidy) this move is to compete with Google, not Apple.
 
Microsoft already alienated OEMs when they took what their OEMs were doing for windows 8 tablets, stole some ideas, and sold their own tablet cheaper (since Microsoft doesn't pay the royalty to themselves). This won't win them back.

This never happened. The Surface line, ARM and x86 alike, are the most expensive Windows tablets on the market, and use a lot of technologies lacking in other similar devices.

They didn't steal anything, or sell it for cheaper. They just offered their own product alongside the OEMs.
 
What did you try? What did it do/say?
I guess you don't have a dvd drive?
With bios/uefi you can use windows usb tool to create a usb stick from the iso (or rufus/unetbootin/etc) and just boot off that.
With uefi you can just format a usb stick as fat32 and extract the iso contents to the stick, that'll boot.
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I did a fresh 8.1 install off an iso last weekend (and I've done a fair few in the past), it couldn't be simpler?

I purchased Windows 8.1 from MS. I had evaluation of Windows 7, so I downloaded Windows 8.1 and chose to save the ISO file. There were a couple options, install, save to USB, and save the ISO file for later use. So I chose the ISO file option as VirtualBox can boot the ISO file.

So I created a new machine and booted from the ISO file. Everything was working great, until I got some strange error about 20% of the way in that said i was missing a file, and the installation had to stop. So I tried this several times, same results. Thought the download was corrupt, but same result. I mean this file is over 2GB and I don't have the fastest connection, so all this downloading took a long time.

Finally I went searching online, and people said they had the same issue and simply installed 8.1 over the 8.1 enterprise evaluation. So that is what I did.

The MS Win 8.1 evaluation ISO installs fine on VirtualBox. But for whatever reason, the regular 8.1 ISO MS gave me did not.

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Not sure why you had to pay $5 for this app. I got this for free http://www.classicstart8.com/

It worked flawlessly.

I also tried ClassicShell. I didn't like them. I tried Start8 and it had the best interface with a balance of features. Some other free options had way too many settings. $5.00 was well worth it for me.
 
I saw this push when Apple reduced its OS to $29 but at free, the push is obvious. Windows is the cash cow at MS and this will hurt, but folks, it still ain't free.
 
I was under the impression that the fact that don't track was enabled was a point of controversy.

http://ie.microsoft.com/TEStdrive/Browser/DoNotTrack/Default.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Do_Not_Track



I can still run 15 year old games flawlessly in 8.1. I sadly can't say the same for OS X.

That relies on the honor system and we know that Google has a history of circumventing the preference to be tracked in Safari. I wonder if it is possible to write a browser that sends garbage back for cookies and masks it's ip address so the tracking is useless.

I use Ghostery on Safari. It seems to do some good but I still wonder if companies like Google circumvent it. You never know. I'm not paranoid about being tracked. I just think that if companies like Google want to invade my privacy they should be willing to show all of what they are doing to everyone else.

From the wiki article: There are no legal or technological requirements for its use. As such, websites and advertisers may either honour the request, or completely ignore it.
 
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I saw this push when Apple reduced its OS to $29 but at free, the push is obvious. Windows is the cash cow at MS and this will hurt, but folks, it still ain't free.

I think ESAs are the big cash cow, and the os version you're running is pretty moot :)
 
Microsoft revenues

In a way, party is over for MSFT, as far as OS revenues are concerned :

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Microsoft shouldn't look at developer tools as a source of income. They should be seen as a source of programs that will drive demand for their OS.

And no, I've never run a Fortune 500 company, but I don't think I could do any worse than Ballmer.

Something tells me I doubt they do, however they don't want it to be a complete money drain if they can help it. A large volume sale to a University for programming education fulfills both purposes and comes with a lot less overhead.

I haven't even workedfor a Fortune 500 company.
 
MS being afraid is a good sign. Hopefully people will eventually stop using Windows.

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When Bill Gates can't even update his work computer to 8.1, that sure says something about the Windows experience...

He shouldn't have even updated to Windows 8 in the first place.
 
Still overpriced. It's not even worth a $1 compared to OS X. My Wndows days are happily behind me.

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The do make pretty nice mice :)

Indeed, I have always liked Microsoft hardware! I don't they take that side of their business seriously enough and they should.

Mice, headsets, sidewinder controllers for the pc etc.
Good solid stuff that lasts.
 
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