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Doesn't matter if their phone and tablet market is gaining (if that's even correct, which by the last data I saw, it's not). They've got tiny market share, and Android totally crowds them out. Most people don't need Office. A lot of companies are switching over to a Google Docs system.

A lot? Really? Any numbers to back that up?
 
If MS just cop their prices to even a $80 for the full version they will make a hell lot more than they make now... As it might be an incentive to buy the original and not a pirated version...

Valve does this with Steam. Has ridiculous sales on games to where everyone buys without thinking and never has time to play the game. I have 180 games, a good majority from Humble Bundles, but still.
 
It's a terrible time for Microsoft.

Google sells ads and makes money from it.

Apple sells hardware to make money

They both give the software free.

How Microsoft will make money from its software if competitors are giving away free.

Ouch! A terrible paradigm shift.

I suppose all those computers that are running windows were free...
 
"A few" people. Have you looked at a sales chart lately?

Clearly you have absolutely no idea what your talking about.

They made more money this year from Office than last year. I don't see how that is a piece of data that screams 'mass Office exodus'.
 
It's funny how no one here realizes Microsoft doesn't want to be a software company anymore.

Microsoft makes most of their money from Enterprise Software and Commercial Licensing. That's Windows Enterprise, Server Products, Office Business Products, Dynamics (which is ERP and CRM), and Unified Communications. All software, all business products. No Xbox. No Bing. No consumer stuff.

Microsoft's second-biggest segment is something called "Devices and Consumer Licensing" but it's still mostly software. It includes consumer Windows sales, Windows Phone OS sales, Office Consumer, and IP licensing.

So... even if Microsoft doesn't want to be a software company anymore... they are still by far a software company.

They make a pretty great tablet and they are buying Nokia (known for absolutely amazing hardware).

Again... Surface and other hardware pales in comparison to Microsoft's software revenue.

Microsoft is going to be more like a blend of apple and google in the coming years.

Apple is a hardware company... Google is an advertising company. It would be interesting to see Microsoft (the world's largest software company) transition into anything that resembles those other two companies.

I would be surprised if they lose some OEM partners along the way but honestly who cares when sales are dying like they are currently for MS, the OEM partners sure aren't helping much.

Microsoft makes the software... the OEMs make the hardware. That's not gonna change anytime soon. Microsoft needs OEM partners.

Like I said before... Microsoft makes MOST of its money from enterprise software and consumer software. And that is dependent on OEMs providing the hardware.

Just imagine if Dell, HP, Lenovo and others stopped selling PCs. Would Microsoft really be able to provide all that hardware?
 
Most people don't want windows 8 and prefer windows 7, this is the true reason why they slashed prices, many pc makers have recently brought back computers with windows 7 pre-installed due to the demand for it.

no, it is not. How many windows computers do you currently see on the market which retail for less then $250? Almost none.

The true reason they have slashed prices is to encourage OEM to jump into the new budget win 8 tablet building business. The manufacturer saves $35 on licensing cost, if he can just bump the price down a little bit to hit the $249 limit.

This is clearly aimed at tablets like the Dell Venue Pro 8 (street price $229-$279), the Toshiba Encore ($299), and the Lenovo Miix 2 ($279).

If Microsoft can get the manufacturers to drop prices to the impulse buy level, then maybe this new market will take off for them. They are going head-to-head with Apple and Android tablets, and pricing is everything in this battle.

They won't beat Apple by selling $650 tablets.
 
Getting all my windows needs solved w XP & 7 running in VMs. Intend to keep it that way. :)

It would be best to disconnect that XP VM from the internet after April 8th, otherwise it will be very vulnerable to malware and hacker attacks.
 
They made more money this year from Office than last year. I don't see how that is a piece of data that screams 'mass Office exodus'.

Office? Why are you talking about Office? It's no wonder your replies make no sense, you can't even read the posts properly.
 
She clicked on the store, waited for it to open, and then clicked on the update. The fact that you can't get it to open at all just seems bizarre. I have never actually ran into somebody who couldn't get the store to open. It might happen, sure, but it is hardly a large number.

Or if you have an x86, there's always updating with an ISO.

I would't pay Xp/Vista/7 prices for them, but I would certainly install Vista to get away from XP.
 
Competition is good and lowers prices for the "consumer". Excellent news but why not lower the price of the full retail disc to $30 Microsoft? That would more than double their numbers.

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So Mac OSX is doing better? Why even have the ability to run a Microsoft OS on a Apple machine?

What a stupid reply.
 
competition is with Chrome, not Apple

This is a misleading headline.

The price cut is due to ChromeOS, not Apple. Vendors are starting to build low-cost Chromebooks and MS is afraid of them just as it was afraid of netbooks.

Apple is afraid of neither.
 
It's funny how no one here realizes Microsoft doesn't want to be a software company anymore. They make a pretty great tablet and they are buying Nokia (known for absolutely amazing hardware). Microsoft is going to be more like a blend of apple and google in the coming years. I would be surprised if they lose some OEM partners along the way but honestly who cares when sales are dying like they are currently for MS, the OEM partners sure aren't helping much.

The business incentives and models for Apple and Google are completely different. It's very difficult, if not impossible to be a bit of both. If MS tries to straddle both sides of the fence for too long, they will realize it will only lead to busting their balls.

They must choose what side they want to be on - 1) devices or 2) software & services ( ad-based & subscription-based).
 
Where are the MS apologists like say W8 is the best thing ever? lol. It's the worst OS ever, thats for sure.
 
Doesn't change the fact that they're competing against Android not iOS - Android has costs associated with it and if Microsoft can make Windows cheaper than the total cost of building and support Android builds over multiple devices then it'll give them an advantage over the competition. The problem though with Windows 8.1 is two fold - lack of applications from big names and the attempt to ram a touch paradigm down the collective throats of end users on the desktop. Modern UI is great on the phone (I have a Lumia 1020) but it is a mess on the desktop - something Apple did well was to keep the two separate and only share the underlying frameworks where it makes sense such as AV Foundation/AV Kit, OpenGL, OpenCL etc.

At some level, you are right, but you're also very wrong. People hate windows8. This is just a publicity stunt to keep everyone from jumping ship. You are 100% wrong if you think this has nothing to do with OS X. It has everything to do with it. Hundreds of people are jumping ship every single day, Microsoft is getting desperate.
 
As a mac user, I don't understand what everyone is bitching about. Windows 8 is awesome. Metro is like dashboard and launch pad all-in-one.

Plus, you can use a basic desktop and have a small portable monitor like the gechic on lap which has 10-point touch support natively.

So you get a 15.6 in trackpad, that is also a screen, that supports stylus and 10-point finger touch and works great with metro.

OSX doesn't have anything like it.

Microsoft nailed it. It's their customers who are too stupid to realise how to use it properly.

This is the first ever version of windows where I am actually considering ditching OSX, which has gotten progressively worse since snow leopard. Apples value was always the software, and Since apple killed fcp there isn't really any value in apple computers anymore.

How has OS X gotten worse? Just don't use the new features, or don't upgrade. Not hard.

And are people still complaining about FCP X? FCP 7 was an old, archaic dinosaur with a 2.5 GB RAM limit and a mid 90's UI. It needed to be replaced, get over it.

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One of the most publicized new features of windows 8.1, comparing to Windows 8, was precisely the inclusion of the start button functionality.
You don't need a third-party program for that.

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Exactly!
That's the trick.
Enterprise business, not consumer.

The start menu in 8.1 is a joke. All it does is bring you back to the stupid metro UI, it doesn't act as a proper start menu on the desktop.

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Competition is good and lowers prices for the "consumer". Excellent news but why not lower the price of the full retail disc to $30 Microsoft? That would more than double their numbers.

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So Mac OSX is doing better? Why even have the ability to run a Microsoft OS on a Apple machine?

How is OS X not doing better? I don't see a public backlash from OS X like W8. And Windows can run on Mac's to entice switchers and do people can still use their windows only apps, pretty straight forward.
 
Still overpriced. It's not even worth a $1 compared to OS X. My Wndows days are happily behind me.

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The do make pretty nice mice :)

Not going to lie - i have a retina mbp - my first mac, and i cannot tell you how sluggish it is and this was right out of the box! my machine is a $3k spec machine but loads windows 8.1 flawlessly....

maybe i got a lemon...? but i bought this laptop to get away from windows only going back to it after OSX's poor performance. i took it to the apple store and they said that sluggishness is expected! i kid you not! the opening desktop animation when you start the machine literally hangs and stutters! and i barely have any software installed on it!

/rant. the hardware is sexy though and it's the best windows 8.1 laptop i own :cool:
 
The only things that Microsoft has a modicum of success in are legacy OS and XBOX.

And Office, Windows Azure, Windows Server, Visual Studio, SharePoint, SQL Server, Exchange/Lync, etc...

The 16 or so divisions of Microsoft each bringing in over $1billion. I think that's more than a modicum of success
 
The start menu in 8.1 is a joke. All it does is bring you back to the stupid metro UI, it doesn't act as a proper start menu on the desktop.

Windows 7 start button: brings up a list of favorite or most used programs, a list of all programs, a search function to quickly find a program with a few keystrokes. Exiting start menu reutns to desktop.

Windows 8 start button: brings up a list of favorite or most used programs, a list of all programs, a search function to quickly find a program with a few keystrokes. Exiting start screen returns to desktop.

Different UI, same functionality.

I remember people getting upset with the XP start menu, then the Vista start menu. On the Mac side I think it was OS X 10.5 that caused a few people to get upset with the new look and feel, then it was Launchpad and Mission Control. People bitch, moan and complain whenever things change, swearing they'll never like it, and then defend it when it changes again.
 
Windows 7 start button: brings up a list of favorite or most used programs, a list of all programs, a search function to quickly find a program with a few keystrokes. Exiting start menu reutns to desktop.

Windows 8 start button: brings up a list of favorite or most used programs, a list of all programs, a search function to quickly find a program with a few keystrokes. Exiting start screen returns to desktop.

Different UI, same functionality.

It's not just the start screen that people have a problem with... it's that the start screen also represents a separate operating environment with its own set of applications (Modern/Metro)

If you open a JPG image... it will open in a Metro photo viewer... not a traditional photo viewer they are used to. It is confusing to some people if they're not prepared for that.

I know people who get a new Windows 8 laptop... and they are lost because they don't know why certain things are happening. "What is this? How do I get out of this?" are common questions I hear. It's just not what they're used to.

Why are there two versions of Internet Explorer? One on Metro and one on the desktop? It's little things like that which are confusing.

Most people barely understand computers anyway... but Windows has worked pretty much the same for a long time.

But then they buy a computer with Windows 8... and they're greeted by a new UI with its own set of programs in addition to the familiar desktop. Some things open in a Metro app... while other things open in a traditional desktop program.
 
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