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May I point out that during the rumor phase of the iPad, most people on this very forum were adamant that it run a fully capable OS X with a touch UI?

That is so true, and I was one of them. I was wrong. Apple chose wisely, and iOS is the best choice for a tablet...

I do miss some of the powerful features of a desktop OS, but Apple is adding many of these as it becomes feasible to do on hardware that has a fraction of the computing power of a desktop machine.
 
I don't get why Microsoft doesn't try to build a tablet based off of their Surface technology which is pretty slick. Instead, they keep trying to cram Windows down people's throats. Windows was a dead end nearly 10 years ago, and Microsoft refuses to do anything to change directions.
 
i believe that this will be a big miss and i will never ever consider buying this thing, but since competition is allways good and i would like to see apple beef up the ipad i would rate this news positive.
 
I don't get why Microsoft doesn't try to build a tablet based off of their Surface technology which is pretty slick. Instead, they keep trying to cram Windows down people's throats. Windows was a dead end nearly 10 years ago, and Microsoft refuses to do anything to change directions.

Did you try it? We have it in our lab and it's rubbish. It may be good for a restaurant table or some really low productivity use case or a gimmick, but it's unusable for anything remotely serious.
 
Good luck with that...it's SO innovative...

How do you guys come up with such amazing new stuff time after time? It's incredible! I think you should run it on Windoze Vista Mobile, it's the perfect
buggy, plagiarized platform for your buggy, plagiarized software.

How you guys get away with this year after year, and people still fall for your bs? I wonder how many lawyers are employed just to keep you in the business of stealing ideas from Apple and badly reselling them as your own?

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Steve Ballmer Demoing HP Slate-Style PC at CES 2010
According to the New York Times, Microsoft will once again be pushing their vision of the slate or tablet computer at the Consumer Electronics Show (CES) 2011 in January. Microsoft has been long talking up the tablet or slate form factor over the years, but none of their products have reached mainstream success.

In fact, this time last year, rumors were full force about Apple's then-unreleased iPad. Talk of this Apple tablet dominated rumors and generated a lot of interest at 2010's CES even though Apple wasn't even a participant. Microsoft even demoed an HP slate PC which never ultimately came to market. Meanwhile, Apple's iPad has been seen as a huge success.

Microsoft's newest effort is said to be running under the Windows 7 operating system and is being aimed at a more productivity focused device than the iPad:


Article Link: Microsoft to Relaunch Windows Slates Again at CES
 
I find it more amusing that MS is still hung up on the term "slate", one which Apple never had any intention of using and MS latched onto cos they thought it sounded cool and hip. It doesn't, it sounds LAME!
Actually I think "slate" sounds cooler than "pad" everytime I think of "pad" I think of maxipads.
 
It will be a big piece of junk for sure, just like their phone. Give it up Microsoft.

You've used a Windows 7 phone? What about the phone didn't you like? Were you able to customize very many settings?

I'm just curious, I haven't had the chance to use one yet.
 
Why does Microsoft keep forgetting that they're a software company (and a damn good one at that) and not a hardware company.

Does Microsoft need to have a tablet or phone running their OS to be successful? No.

If they focussed on software and wrote awesome iOS software, I'm sure they would be making money.
 
May I point out that during the rumor phase of the iPad, most people on this very forum were adamant that it run a fully capable OS X with a touch UI?
Little late in replying to this on account of needing sleep, but I wanted to note that while that's entirely true, it's also exactly what Microsoft has done wrong all these years. To them, as to most hardcore geeks (which are the majority of forum posters here, in comparison to the regular population), things break down into "real" OS and "Mobile"/toy OS, and if it doesn't run a "real" OS, it's not a real computer. It's why Microsoft--who sees Win7 Phone as their "make mobile life easier" OS and Win7 as their "real" OS--along with hundreds of tech writers and countless commenters around the web, mocked the iPad as doomed to fail--because it's not what they wanted a computer to be, therefore it logically must not be what anybody wants a computer to be, and therefore is stupid.

Which of course proved to be entirely wrong, because of course what the average, non-geek human wants a computer to be is very much not what the average geek wants, and Apple seems to be remarkably good at giving them exactly that. It's why my dad loves his iPad and uses it far more than his desktop, while I personally don't really have need for one right now.

Microsoft fundamentally misunderstands their customer base because of years of completely skewed viewpoint due to having a desktop OS monopoly. They think they know what people want, because people have been buying their product by the millions... they just can't seem to get it through their internal filter that this isn't because it's what people want, it's because it's the only choice.

Actually, they are sort of getting it--Win7 Phone is enough of a departure that it at least shows that there's some intelligence left at the company, although based on past precedent I'm skeptical of how well they'll be able to capitalize on that, particularly lacking a monopoly to leverage. After all, the last time MS had to actually compete for a market was the console games one, and they certainly haven't become the sole dominating player in that space yet. Plus they only had three competitors, one of whom was already dying when they got into the space, and one of the remaining two has been working very hard at sawing its own legs off since.

An aside, I'll note that I, personally, didn't have the slightest doubt prior to the iPad's announcement that it would run iOS--there was just no way Apple was going to put the MacOS on a tablet when they had a full touchscreen OS they were already happy with. Nor, personally, was I so convinced that this was a bad thing.
 
Not that I don't believe you but where there any examples here? Just curious to see what these needs are that require a Windows tablet and would not work with either an iPad or Android tablet.
Math and physics professors, media applications at college, drug reps, basically anyone who needs the ability to.both draw figures and type reports at the same time. Again, all business needs, but lets face it, the tablet/convertible form factor is designed for working, the ipad form factor is better suited at consumption only.
 
I agree somewhat. Ballmer should have been gone in 2005.

The problem is, especially on these forums, people don't see some of the work that Microsoft does in the corporate space. People look at Zunes, and Xboxes, and Phones, and claim "they don't innovate."

When you start getting into their core products, SQL, Exchange, Windows 2008 R2, the System Center suite (except DPM), etc, they are huge innovators.

The flip side is that people think Steve Jobs is boy wonder, and invents all these fantastic things and that Apple pulls all these great ideas out of thin air and they are flipping geniuses, when in reality they do a lot of acquiring and improving (which yes, is still very impressive - but not worthy of the worship that they get from some people).

These are good points. It's just that MS do a lot of touting in consumer circles about how good their stuff is, when a lot of it is just borrowed ideas.

I certainly don't think that Steve Jobs is Mr Incredible. I know that he didn't come up with the MacBook Air, his engineers did, and he has teams of people that do a lot of work and he says 'yes' or 'no' etc.

I love Exchange, and I love Office. But as far as their consumer products go....
 
Though I agree no Flash on iOS is troublesome at times, at this point in time you should be complaining to Pizza Hut, not Apple, about lack of support on the iPad.

You are completly right, people should be angry and complain to the thousands of websites that don't work right on the iPad and praise the one company that could fix the problem, but won't because it's turtle necked overlord has been butt hurt.
 
The flip side is that people think Steve Jobs is boy wonder, and invents all these fantastic things and that Apple pulls all these great ideas out of thin air and they are flipping geniuses, when in reality they do a lot of acquiring and improving (which yes, is still very impressive - but not worthy of the worship that they get from some people).

Who actually thinks that? Maybe a few 12 year olds do, but adults know differently.

What IS VERY impressive about Apple is the way they get the package right, time and time again. And in this case, the package is everything that works behind the scenes, and everything that attracts the huge variety of industries to provide content and to implement iOS. All this is crucial to Apple's success, and the reason MS is failing - because they fail to do these deals.

And on the subject of deals, MS has based its entire business model on three, and they were all a long time ago.
 
I don't get why Microsoft doesn't try to build a tablet based off of their Surface technology which is pretty slick. Instead, they keep trying to cram Windows down people's throats. Windows was a dead end nearly 10 years ago, and Microsoft refuses to do anything to change directions.

If they could, surely they would. Remember, Surface was a $17,000 coffee table. Whoever thought that was the future was more than a little retarded.

Windows is all they have and all they are.
 
we are digressing off the winpad topic but it's interesting to observe people comparing iWork to MS Office

the fact is that Office is more universal than iWork (useless to me)

the moment Pages can save to .doc or .docx and Numbers can save .xls
i would switch, otherwise iWork is just DOA

bloated ball...mer must stay on- just helping microsoft down the deep dark drain where it belongs

You are referring the iPad version right? The Mac version of Pages can save in .DOC and Number can save in .XLS.
 
The problem is, especially on these forums, people don't see some of the work that Microsoft does in the corporate space. People look at Zunes, and Xboxes, and Phones, and claim "they don't innovate."

When you start getting into their core products, SQL, Exchange, Windows 2008 R2, the System Center suite (except DPM), etc, they are huge innovators.

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And all this matters to the consumer in what way? :rolleyes: I just love how you said, "The problem is, especially on these forums....". This is Mac forum, do you expect people to lick MS's sauce and love it. Try going to a Windows forum and see how much love you get from them in regards to Apple's products, the majority will spew the usual Apple hate. We get enough people from those forums over here as it is. :rolleyes:
 
Microsoft fundamentally misunderstands their customer base because of years of completely skewed viewpoint due to having a desktop OS monopoly. They think they know what people want, because people have been buying their product by the millions... they just can't seem to get it through their internal filter that this isn't because it's what people want, it's because it's the only choice.

I agree with everything you've written here, but would issue guidance on one detail. Whilst people have bought Windows in their millions, they have initially done so only as a result of buying a product from another company: a computer loaded with Windows.

That tie in has been fundamental to the success of Microsoft, but only in the same way a drug dealer might hang out at a school entrance - giving away heroin!

Any company so dependent upon another's addiction to a substance/operating system is destined to fail eventually. What was their strength during the ignorant years when computers were new and expensive, and customers were dumb, will be their downfall now computers are cheap and customers are smart.

One final point: When Charlie Rose asked John Doerr why iPad was so important, he replied: "Because it's not a computer". When the smart money recognises we've moved into a new era, those left to follow had better do so very quickly or die. MS have moved slowly, therefore they will die.
 
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Run Apple run!!!
 
He went and built the best toilet web device in the industry. People here were screaming for full OS X, but Apple knew better. They didn't try to make it run Excel, or finite element analyses of jet turbines-- because we don't do those things on the toilet. We read books, and surf the web, and maybe throw birds at egg stealing pigs..

Yeah, and HOW do you get past level 6 !?!??!?!:eek:
 
Frankly iWork is a joke compared to Office.

What I meant with my original comment was that iWork lets you do most things that people need to do with documents on a tablet device (at least currently), in a logical and intuitive way. I don't see how the desktop version of Microsoft Office on a tablet device will make everything a lot better. I think it will just make it much more confusing and unusable. Trying to select tiny buttons with your fingers and navigating the ribbon on a tablet device will be painful, regardless of how much functionality it adds.
 
You are referring the iPad version right? The Mac version of Pages can save in .DOC and Number can save in .XLS.
The version I have ('08) can EXPORT to .Doc not simply save.

And the fidelity of the converted files leaves MUCH to be desired. Giant pain in the ass and not worth the trouble on documents of any complexity.
 
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