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Microsoft to Release Office for Mac 2011 in Late October

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cmaier said:
Huge advantage to Office 11 over Office 08 or the competition is VBA is back, meaning it at last allows entire workflows to be done compatibly on the mac.
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Uh ? they reintroduced VBA ? That means they had forgotten their professional customers before ? (on the contrary to what a previous post claimed), then ?
 
cmaier said:
Huge advantage to Office 11 over Office 08 or the competition is VBA is back, meaning it at last allows entire workflows to be done compatibly on the mac.
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... a true OCS client also is a nice addition!


umrk said:
Uh ? they reintroduced VBA ? That means they had forgotten their professional customers before ? (on the contrary to what a previous post claimed), then ?
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VBA support was dropped when the Intel move was made from what I was told due to compatibility.
 
Mattie Num Nums said:
Not even close. iOS integration is the same as the desktop. I'm talking about real integration. Real AD binding, real SMB/AFP support, how about Apple develops an AD plugin to push MCX files via GPO versus having to setup a dedicated Apple servers. How about some REAL integration.
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Impressive, you just about blew out my paygrade. :D

Is any of that really user-level? Sure you want people like me fiddling with such things? We are talking about the user version of Office, here.
 
KirkL said:
Wait...Office Mac isn't sometimes entirely compatible with Office Windows? Am I better off getting Office Windows and running it off of Bootcamp or Parallels?
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I am currently using Office 2007. That's on Windows. I assure you that I have spreadsheets that will not work on your Windows computer, also running any commercial version of Office 2007. Compatibility is not something MS offers (do yourself a favor, just ignore marketing campaigns), you are going to have to supply that yourself.
 
Microsoft Office

The profit margin they make on this product is just ridiculous & obscene (not decent, I would say, if I were British ...)
 
JAT said:
I am currently using Office 2007. That's on Windows. I assure you that I have spreadsheets that will not work on your Windows computer, also running any commercial version of Office 2007. Compatibility is not something MS offers (do yourself a favor, just ignore marketing campaigns), you are going to have to supply that yourself.
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:( :( :(
 
They're working on it, man, be patient...

MorphingDragon said:
Until Office:Mac has the decency to work reliably I couldn't care less.
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I've heard reliable rumours that as SOON as they get all the bugs ironed out of Windoze 95, Office will be next.

Hey, there's only so many hours in the day...I'm SURE it'll be worth the wait...

Cheers,
Cameron

PS: why would you want to spend $400.00 (or whatever) on that pile of **** when there's iWork for $99.00?
 
steviem said:
I actually prefer Apple Mail to Entourage. It fits with the rest of OSX much better.

It's a shame that Outlook still isn't really Outlook though. They should make it work with Exchange 2003 as there are still a lot of companies still using 2003.
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Unfortunately for me, the company I work for is one of them. I've been using the beta version and there's just sadly too much missing. Not quite sure why they couldn't make it backwards compatible, it's not like mac users are going to force companies to upgrade their exchange server licences
 
JAT said:
Impressive, you just about blew out my paygrade. :D

Is any of that really user-level? Sure you want people like me fiddling with such things? We are talking about the user version of Office, here.
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Exactly, and people are talking about how iWorks is this or that. Office is more than just you sitting at Word and typing its about its integration into the entire infrastructure. It is something iWork, Mail, and other Apple apps do not provide. Microsofts products all tie in. So if you are a Microsoft house you will need to use Office. Almost all the major corporations use Exchange. Again, Office is more than just a Word Processor its another piece of a larger puzzle.
 
Apple's margin

KirkL said:
Just like Apple's profit margins on...everything :p
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Apple's margin is slightly less than Microsoft, but the difference is admittedly small. However, on one hand you have a company that innovates and takes risks to introduce new products. On the other hand, you have a company surviving on two legacy products (Windows & Office suite). In the rare occasions where they try to innovate, you have Vista or the Kin ...
 
Mattie Num Nums said:
Not even close. iOS integration is the same as the desktop. I'm talking about real integration. Real AD binding, real SMB/AFP support, how about Apple develops an AD plugin to push MCX files via GPO versus having to setup a dedicated Apple servers. How about some REAL integration.
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You want companies to add AD plugins and write group policies, but not offer services for OS X directly? Or should Apple just cancel OS X server and make it all software to add to windows server?

I mean, I get what your saying, I do, and it would be nice... but if you want to offer enterprise support for your apple clients you need at lest one Apple server on the backend. If your small enough that you don't want an apple server to service your clients then you probably don't have the staff and complexity to warrant more then basic policies.
 
j_maddison said:
Unfortunately for me, the company I work for is one of them. I've been using the beta version and there's just sadly too much missing. Not quite sure why they couldn't make it backwards compatible, it's not like mac users are going to force companies to upgrade their exchange server licences
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Because with an Apple you either use DAV or EWS. Part of Entourage being so terrible was that is used DAV services.
 
Since I hate the latest version of Office for Windows that my employer forces on me, I'm glad I have the last version for my Mac.
 
NetScheduler said:
Sorry Kid that you don't approve of my contributions to this forum. Comments are not always going to be positive. This discussion IS absolutely about MS Office, and when others offer suggestions such as "Why do we need Office when we have iWork or Open Office"??, I feel inclined to point out that these products are incompatible with 99% of the corporate world. I relate MY experiences in business with over 25 years experience.

If you don't like it, ignore it..... My point is that if you need to interact with others in business, there is no substitute for Office..

That's my informed opinion. I've earned the right to make it.
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ah... just for the record, I did redact that statement before you made that post as I did go back and look and see that outside of the posts to me, you were making contributions.
 
umrk said:
Apple's margin is slightly less than Microsoft, but the difference is admittedly small. However, on one hand you have a company that innovates and takes risks to introduce new products. On the other hand, you have a company surviving on two legacy products (Windows & Office suite). In the rare occasions where they try to innovate, you have Vista or the Kin ...
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Have you used Ribbon in Office? If that's not an innovation, I don't know what is. Have you heard of Kinect btw? Microsoft throws tons on money on R & D too but they just suck at bringing their project out to the market.
 
Cameron Hood said:
I've heard reliable rumours that as SOON as they get all the bugs ironed out of Windoze 95, Office will be next.

Hey, there's only so many hours in the day...I'm SURE it'll be worth the wait...

Cheers,
Cameron

PS: why would you want to spend $400.00 (or whatever) on that pile of **** when there's iWork for $99.00?
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:apple: or iDie

amidoinitrite?
 
logandzwon said:
You want companies to add AD plugins and write group policies, but not offer services for OS X directly? Or should Apple just cancel OS X server and make it all software to add to windows server?

I mean, I get what your saying, I do, and it would be nice... but if you want to offer enterprise support for your apple clients you need at lest one Apple server on the backend. If your small enough that you don't want an apple server to service your clients then you probably don't have the staff and complexity to warrant more then basic policies.
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We have a large number of Macs. It would take a farm of Apple Servers as well as dedicated techs to manage them. It just won't happen. Instead we use Centrify which allows us to do everything we need under the sun. Centrify handles our Group Policies and other security related things and ExtremeZIP gives us an AFP/SMB based file server (using a VM front end and our NetApps.)

I wish Microsoft would work with Apple to have better Sharepoint integration.
 
NomadicTy said:
So Outlook is $80, and it would only work with Exchange 2007 and above? That's an expensive email program!
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Outlook 2010 for Windows is $139 as a standalone license. MSFT's pricing reflects that most Outlook buyers are corporations running Exchange, and they have deeper pockets than home users. MSFT figures home mac users won't purchase Outlook whether it is priced at $30 or $80... they have great free alternatives in Mail.app/Addresss book/iCal or Gmail/GCal.
 
raccoontail said:
Outlook 2010 for Windows is $139 as a standalone license. MSFT's pricing reflects that most Outlook buyers are corporations running Exchange, and they have deeper pockets than home users. MSFT figures home mac users won't purchase Outlook whether it is priced at $30 or $80... they have great free alternatives in Mail.app/Addresss book/iCal or Gmail/GCal.
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Exactly. At home I use Mail. At work I use Outlook. I have tried using Mail with EWS and its not very good.
 
JAT said:
The problem is, that assessment for use in the business world is quite accurate. You can dislike it, but facts win. I have enough problems when I create a complicated Excel document and send it to people using the same version of Excel, due to macros I may include, UDFs, and other complications that come up with beginner-level users.

There are too many students here, that don't seem to realize life will be different when they have to deal with other people in a couple years.
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The thing is, your still not arguing against what I've said, and his comment was not said with regards to SOP in the business world. I said there are issues going between different applications. I said there are compatibility issues going between various revisions of MS Office. Your adding to the point I made by expressing issues you've had exchanging documents with the SAME version of MS Office!

As far as the business world goes... the last company I was at, (and was part owner,) had forty employees. We had Macs, Ubuntu, Vista, and Win7. The company dealt with financials, mostly home mortgages. There was no MS Office in the office. No one used it, no one complained they needed it after the first day. New employees spend a day learning OpenOffice and google apps, OpenOffice was set to save documents as MS Word 2003 by default so that there were no compatibility issues with customers. Even the general counsel has his paralegal used OpenOffice without much hassle.
 
Did I miss it or is their no upgrade price for non-home/student '08 users? Or is this something TBA?
 
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