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MS also unveiled this - very, very cool:
 

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I think Apple's issues with Yosemite and ios8 would be an argument against your point of apple not needing to fix or innovate.

I agree with a lot of what you say but look where Yosemite is coming from, Mavericks. I use it and its as stable and solid as it can get. Where does win10 come from? Win8 one of the worst/most hated release in computer history.

Apple's problem is they want to release innovation every year, 2 to 3 times and WOW people. Microsoft will take anywhere from 2-4 years to release a significant upgrade.
 
I agree with a lot of what you say but look where Yosemite is coming from, Mavericks. I use it and its as stable and solid as it can get. Where does win10 come from? Win8 one of the worst/most hated release in computer history.

Apple's problem is they want to release innovation every year, 2 to 3 times and WOW people. Microsoft will take anywhere from 2-4 years to release a significant upgrade.

So your argument is Windows 10 isn't stable because people don't like the looks of Windows 8?

Well Windows 8 is stable and people do find Yosemite ugly. So where do we go from here?
 
The point is that they figured out long ago that they could beat their heads up against the wall, and spend tons of resources battling to gain minimal market share in the enterprise through the front door. But it would be minimal, and it would be market share of a declining market. Or they could focus on the consumer products and come in through the back door, with products like the iPhone and iPad. That strategy has worked very well for them. The vast majority of people who use smartphones for their work use iPhones.

Ok but I'm not sure where you're going with this. They're not looking to overtake Microsoft in this area. They seem to be doing well enough.
 
I hope Apple wow me with as much OS X news at WWDC. Windows 10 looks really attractive right now.

Though tbh all Apple have to do is reduce OS X's footprint, and I'll be happily remain in the Mac camp. :)
It will look less attractive when you'll see its app store and hi-DPI.
 
It will look less attractive when you'll see its app store and hi-DPI.

Don't worry - the moment of madness past when someone gently reminded me "It won't be as simply as Microsoft are making out." Also, unless I was to custom build a desktop PC, I'd have to buy a POS Dell or HP and wade through crap from hardware vendors. I want a laptop, and I want it to be a Mac. :D

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MS also unveiled this - very, very cool:

I see this a lot. We have the Windows logo, the Linux logo, so why don't we also have the OS X logo?
 
Don't worry - the moment of madness past when someone gently reminded me "It won't be as simply as Microsoft are making out." Also, unless I was to custom build a desktop PC, I'd have to buy a POS Dell or HP and wade through crap from hardware vendors. I want a laptop, and I want it to be a Mac. :D

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I see this a lot. We have the Windows logo, the Linux logo, so why don't we also have the OS X logo?

Because Macs are more synonymous with the Apple logo than the OS X logo?
 
So your argument is Windows 10 isn't stable because people don't like the looks of Windows 8?

Well Windows 8 is stable and people do find Yosemite ugly. So where do we go from here?


The point is MS looks impressive now because it made a huge improvement in Win10, because with Win8 you could improve on a lot. With Mavericks, its very hard to innovate over an already extremely well and stable OS.
 
I'm really glide to hear that.

Really, one of my biggest complaints about Windows in general was font smoothing. Compared to OS X, Windows font is thin and pixelated. Is it still like that in W10?

I'm now running Win10 on my main computer, so I can finally start making some comparisons.

Seems I was wrong about the font rendering. It looks better downstairs, but almost exactly the same up here on my good monitor. I fired up IE and Spartan, and put them side by side to compare and contrast, and they look nearly the same.

EdgeIE.png
 
The point is MS looks impressive now because it made a huge improvement in Win10, because with Win8 you could improve on a lot. With Mavericks, its very hard to innovate over an already extremely well and stable OS.

What? Windows 8 had a lot of issues, but the system performance and stability wasn't on the list.
 
The point is MS looks impressive now because it made a huge improvement in Win10, because with Win8 you could improve on a lot. With Mavericks, its very hard to innovate over an already extremely well and stable OS.

I will just have to disagree with you. Apple can't seem to get some of the fundamentals right. Two of my three Macs continue to change names under 10.10.3 and OS X can't seem to get out of my way by performing housekeeping tasks while I'm using the computer. These are just a couple examples of things that are not a problem in Windows. To stay a bit more on topic, some sites somehow manage to crash Safari, an issue I've never had in the last few years with IE.

I think there are massive improvements that could be made to either OS. Each have different weaknesses but there is room for improvement nonetheless.
 
And Windows 10 looks to continue that.

Yup. Other than the occasional UI goofup, mostly revolving around the new Start menu, it's all pretty smooth.

But then again I'd expect it to be, considering what it's built on top of.

Mr. Buzzcut said:
I think there are massive improvements that could be made to either OS. Each have different weaknesses but there is room for improvement nonetheless.

This is the flat out truth. I still think OSX has a better UI overall, and it's font rendering FAR superior to Windows. But it's not like it pales in comparison across the board.

These days, I'd say that choosing between one or the other is more a matter of preference and style than a concern for stability. Other than games, both of them run roughly the same programs at roughly the same speed with roughly as many crashes.
 
I will just have to disagree with you. Apple can't seem to get some of the fundamentals right. Two of my three Macs continue to change names under 10.10.3 and OS X can't seem to get out of my way by performing housekeeping tasks while I'm using the computer. These are just a couple examples of things that are not a problem in Windows. To stay a bit more on topic, some sites somehow manage to crash Safari, an issue I've never had in the last few years with IE.

The thing is when Steve Jobs left the company it was almost the perfect company with the most successful products and made them go from bankruptcy to the richest company in the world. Steve Ballmer is so bad they had to retire him, everyone was happy that they did, and everyone complained about the product line in MS at that time and hence MS can improve a lot. This is why it looks "innovative"
 
I'm now running Win10 on my main computer, so I can finally start making some comparisons.

Seems I was wrong about the font rendering. It looks better downstairs, but almost exactly the same up here on my good monitor. I fired up IE and Spartan, and put them side by side to compare and contrast, and they look nearly the same.

EdgeIE.png

That's disappointing. I really hate the thin font rendering in Windows and don't want to use a hack to make it more like OS X's.
 
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