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Wait... MS expects me to use a browser made by MS?!?!?!

HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Good one!!!!!

On a more serious note I think they only had a code name for it to TRY and build hype for it. And senses been announced really the only thing I have seen it do that other browsers don't is write on sites. Honestly they could just save themsevels and everyone else some time by preloading Windows 10 with Chrome.
 
Cook and Ive's missteps in OS X and iOS are handing MSFT a big opportunity. The iPad has not gained much traction in enterprise or education and Apple seems to have lost its way for anything but consumer electronics. Laugh all you want, but the guys in Redmond are doggin' it, and they may just surprise some folks with a slew of new hardware and software products.

Not sure what data you're looking at. Apple is eating Microsoft's lunch right now. iPad sales are 7x greater than Surface sales and the overall PC market declined by 5% YoY whereas the Mac business grew 10%.

Even with declining iPad sales, it's 7x greater than Surface sales! And when you take into account how many they've sold, how quickly they sold them and factor in the longer replacement cycle, Apple has already built a very strong sustainable business. Compare that to the Surface which is still niche territory and a product that a lot of people still don't understand (2lb tablet or 2 1/2lb laptop that's hard to use on one's lap?), combined with the unmitigated disaster that is Windiws 8, and I think "misstep" is a word better used to describe Microsoft's OS/hardware strategy.

MS's best chance for growth is with their cloud services, and their most recent earnings call confirmed that.
 
This is so a side article and not a main part of the front page article. But this is MR after all.
 
Change the colors? Come on.

Windows management in OS X is terrible compared to Windows. OS X requires at least two clicks for every action that only requires one in Windows. Apple needs to hire a UX expert to make OS X more efficient and user friendly. And allow users to customize the interface with color! Black and white is boring.

Ummmmm . . . I dont think you are saying something that you thought through. OSX is by far easier than windows to navigate between windows and applications. I would recommend looking into how to use hot corners, gestures and Mission control.

Example: I have mission control set to my lower left hot corner. Simple swipe to that corner instantly shows me all the applications I have open and allows me to select from any window in any application with one click.

Also, I don't really use apps in full screen but a lot of people do. Three finger swipe to get to any full screen app . . . thats pretty dang easy I would say.
 
But it's OK for Apple to do "All that redesigning back and forth, rebranding and so on seems like aimless activism"

Just look at the Apple product name changes over JUST the last 5 years.

You miss an important thing. Apple created an overall strategy and established consistency in design, compatibility and architecture between the different platforms.
 
Image Edge, nothing like Internet Explorer

Except for the logo:

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Ummmmm . . . I dont think you are saying something that you thought through. OSX is by far easier than windows to navigate between windows and applications. I would recommend looking into how to use hot corners, gestures and Mission control.

Example: I have mission control set to my lower left hot corner. Simple swipe to that corner instantly shows me all the applications I have open and allows me to select from any window in any application with one click.

Also, I don't really use apps in full screen but a lot of people do. Three finger swipe to get to any full screen app . . . thats pretty dang easy I would say.

Both OSx and Windows do things different, and some things OSx does better than windows, and some things Windows does better than OSx

Windows management for example: Actual windows placed on your desktop that are open and visible is easier to do and use in windows. By default, Windows includes many window display management routines. For example, Windows allows you to snap your windows to portions of the screens by simply dragging them to that portion of the screen.
EG: want two windows open and visible? Drag one to the left side, snaps, drag the other to the right side, snaps, and now both are equal size and visible. All corners can be used this way, as well as top and bottom. Makes for extremely easier windows management.

Also the "minimise, restore, maximize and close" paradigm of control buttons in windows makes a lot more sense: Minimize is the same between. minize to task tray/dock. however, this is where ti differs greatly. Maximize for windows means, maximise that window to the desktop. There is NO option for this in OSx, and currently in 10.10, it's "Fullscreen", which is a fundamentally different beast and problem entirely. Restore returns your window back to it's last size from maximized. close is close. There is no way in OSx to "maximize" and application window, without "fullscreening" it, which can be an absolute chore.


The windows task bar is also significantly easier by default to use than the Dock. Mouse over any open program in your task bar, and you immediately get a visual representation of that applications running window (even if minimize), at which point you can click to restore or close the program. By default, in OSx, this is limited to a right click for list of what is running.

On the other side, OSx does the Expose thing much better for a complete overview of what is running. There is no real competition from Windows on this (closest is WIN+TAB, but that sucks). And Mission Control truly shines when used with a touchpad. Something Windows has never gotten right to this day.

For me it comes down to how i'm using it. For a touchpad, OSx seems smoother. For a mouse, I prefer windows. For touchscreen.... Windows is the only option right now.
 
There's not a lot of "flip flopping" other than one failed attempted UI shift in 20 years.

Apple had a bigger shift in their OS in shorter time (OSx released in 2001). Difference was, OSx ... was nice. Win 8 UI really wasn't

It's not just the UI, it's the underlying OS as well. Remember Vista? Most people do. Bloatedness, bugginess, software incompatibility, UI changes, and basic management software changes all combined to make a very bad impression.

XP is not so great anymore, but it (and Windows 2000, for the most part) was the only time Microsoft managed to put all the pieces together reasonably well. Either the kernel or UI was sub-standard on earlier versions.

But that was 13 1/2 years ago. No wonder people are uneasy about Microsoft. Windows 7 is just a patched Vista - doesn't really fix the underlying problems. Windows 8 actually did - and is their best desktop OS ever - but UI schizophrenia scares people away. Yet even Windows 8 requires more maintenance than OS X - in spite of the ever-increasing bugs in Apple OSes.


About the only ones doing worse than Microsoft in this regard is our two major political parties - they have to go back to either 1980 or 1960 to find their last "hero" president!
 
Wait... MS expects me to use a browser made by MS?!?!?!

HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Good one!!!!!

On a more serious note I think they only had a code name for it to TRY and build hype for it. And senses been announced really the only thing I have seen it do that other browsers don't is write on sites. Honestly they could just save themsevels and everyone else some time by preloading Windows 10 with Chrome.

Save everyone time when IE is one of the most used browsers in the world? What type of logic is that?
 
You miss an important thing. Apple created an overall strategy and established consistency in design, compatibility and architecture between the different platforms.

It's also important to realize that this is exactly what MS is doing now. They're putting themselves in a position that, if it works, might make them even more appealing to a lot of users than Apple is now.

Windows 10, their Cloud services, the Surface lineup, all their new UDKs and APIs...hell, even WP10, it's all being set up to work together very smoothly and very easily. Apple will likely always have their absolutely huge Regular Joe demographic. It's their bread and butter, and it's something MS will never totally appeal to. But for the people who make the apps for the Regular Joes, for the enterprise, and even for the artists and designers, MS is making themselves into a more appealing platform.
 
Cook and Ive's missteps in OS X and iOS are handing MSFT a big opportunity. The iPad has not gained much traction in enterprise or education and Apple seems to have lost its way for anything but consumer electronics. Laugh all you want, but the guys in Redmond are doggin' it, and they may just surprise some folks with a slew of new hardware and software products.

have you compared the earnings release of both Apple and MS lately??????? Guess not.
 
It's not just the UI, it's the underlying OS as well. Remember Vista? Most people do. Bloatedness, bugginess, software incompatibility, UI changes, and basic management software changes all combined to make a very bad impression.

It wasn't so much that it was a terribly designed OS (though it did have some steep system requirements for the time), so much as they improved a lot of things under the hood that didn't exactly play well with a lot of the old stuff.

This is something Apple can get away with easier than MS can. When they improve the underlying OS, they build their computers around it, and watch their developers fall in line. It's a smooth transition. MS had people shoehorning the old way of doing things onto a new system, and the OEMs slapping it onto machines that weren't capable of running it. The end results made for a terrible first impression.
 
lol to the person that thinks keyboard shortcuts are wasteful actions.

You mean CMD + another key and then maybe wait for a window and then click? Wasteful action, that's what I'm talking about. Keyboard shortcuts are still wasted key strokes and not intuitive.

Then you are terrible at keyboard commands. I can literally launch everything I need when i start my day without even touching a mouse. My hands hardly ever leave the keyboard and I have zero issue with window management. There are even studies out there that prove the efficiency of keyboard usage.

http://facweb.cs.depaul.edu/sjost/csc423/examples/anova/efficiency.pdf
 
Please Apple, step up your software design game! So many industrial design superstars at the company, but who there is pushing the bleeding edge of software?

Nobody beats Apple when it comes to hardware... but they're just getting crushed lately when it comes to consumer software design.

They don't hear you. They are busy trying to make the next iteration of rMB a little bit thinner. "Now, is this cpu really that useful in there ?" ;)
 
New deck chair design for the Titanic

And in other news, the Titanic is getting a new deck chair design that copies a simpler Scandinavian pattern.
 
What? His point was about Microsoft, not Apple. He didn't even mention Apple. How is your post even remotely responsive to his point?
Easy.
He's implying that MS is only one to make it a practice to change product names & I merely exposed that Apple does the same thing.
If it's bad for MS to do this, then it must be bad for Apple to implement these practices as well.
 
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