Yea - this would be enough for me to not even consider buying this console.
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Yea - this would be enough for me to not even consider buying this console.
Here's the same IGN article:
http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/06/06/microsoft-details-xbox-one-used-games-always-online
Looks like publishers can decide to opt in/out of the DRM scheme.
Will be interesting to see how many do. Obviously, MS first party games will be part of the scheme...
http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/06/06/microsoft-details-xbox-one-used-games-always-online
Looks like publishers can decide to opt in/out of the DRM scheme.
Will be interesting to see how many do. Obviously, MS first party games will be part of the scheme...
EA... EA... calling EA.
IMO EA ditching the online pass means both Sony and MS will have schemes like this. Maybe this is why EA said they have no games in development for the Wii U?
I think EA said that and reversed what they said because they are a dragon with a hundred heads each going a different direction. Such a miss managed company.
I doubt Sony will pull this crap. What XBox One needs to do is get rid of that disc drive and go ALL digital download. If the disc is useless don't try to trick general consumers that the disc means anything as far as ownership.
How many consumers will know which games support resell on eBay? By not making a single choice Microsoft has created a mess of a game ecosystem that I don't want to play in.
the original infos are coming straight fro mthe horses mouth
http://news.xbox.com/2013/06/main
how very generous of them </sarcasm>
Microsoft Xbox division is serving their own head to Sony on a silver platter ...even more so after the news regarding the US PRISM workings taint the always-on xbox one as scary surveillance tool
http://news.xbox.com/2013/06/main
how very generous of them </sarcasm>
Microsoft Xbox division is serving their own head to Sony on a silver platter ...even more so after the news regarding the US PRISM workings taint the always-on xbox one as scary surveillance tool
I' be surprised if EA got rid of online pass if only MS is doing the 'used game only by permission' thing.
I agree that having physical media implies a sense of ownership/freedom that doesn't exist on the Xbox One. I think that's one reason Steam and mobile games/apps (even downloaded songs) don't evoke the same sort of response (I know there was screaming when Steam first started but it didn't last too long). Of course the downside is we are now buying digital things that are exactly the same as their physical media counterparts but have many more restrictions on them. I mean, a judge recently ruled that people can't resell song downloads they buy from online stores like iTMS where as if I buy the CD of the same album I'm free to lend it, sell it, etc.,.
The judge ruled that because if you sell a DRM free song from iTunes you still have access to it in iTunes in the Cloud. There is no way in iTunes to transfer ownership.
If that was legal you could open up one of those Russian sites and resell your purchases unlimited times because "you have the right to"
If that was legal you could open up one of those Russian sites and resell your purchases unlimited times because "you have the right to"
The reasoning doesn't change the real world outcome though. Buying the 'digital' version of a book, game, movie, album, etc., is many times comparable in price to a physical version of the same product yet the digital versions come with end-user restrictions that the physical versions do not have.
I have a mix of digital and physical media so I'm not making value judgements one way or the other, I'm just pointing something out that I don't think people should over ook.
The latest news on the XBox One, and it isn't going to make most people here happy:
Kotaku article
It appears that the M$ press office is something like a cross between a Soviet news presenter, and a Borg "ambassador"...i.e., take it or leave it, and, you will be assimilated.
Plus, add a dash of "it's not a bug...it's a feature."
Kotaku article
It appears that the M$ press office is something like a cross between a Soviet news presenter, and a Borg "ambassador"...i.e., take it or leave it, and, you will be assimilated.
Plus, add a dash of "it's not a bug...it's a feature."
The actual legal issue is called the First-Sale doctrine
This is US only...basically (I'm not a lawyer) going back to a 1908 case, it was ruled that copyright holders had certain rights, but that they terminated after the first sale of the physical object. Apparently, book publishers and the like back then wanted to control first and subsequent sales. In any event, this did permit resales/used sales of the physical objects, i.e., books, records, CDs, and video games, without interference from the copyright holder or publisher.
I guess left unanswered was the question of non-physical objects...i.e., digital media. Well, with the deep-pockets of corporations like Microsoft, Disney, etc., I don't think used sales really stand a chance in the future.
As an example of changing laws, and consumer rights being diminished, you may be interested in knowing that copyright (for books, films, everything) used to be for only 28 years, subject to a one time renewal. Because some corporations would have died long ago with that rule (I'm thinking of Disney, & Mickey Mouse), they have lobbied and lobbied to continuously lengthen the copyright laws. The last time I checked, copyright holders now own the copyright for "life + 70 years." So, Disney Corp. should be good now until 2030 or so.
That would explain why you can get lotsa old books for free on Project Gutenberg, but nothing recent. And, that also explains why Google was not allowed to post the scans of library books from more recent times on Google books (anymore). You can now only get paragraph long snippets of anything published after the 1940's now. Unless you pay...
The latest news on the XBox One, and it isn't going to make most people here happy:
Kotaku article
It appears that the M$ press office is something like a cross between a Soviet news presenter, and a Borg "ambassador"...i.e., take it or leave it, and, you will be assimilated.
Plus, add a dash of "it's not a bug...it's a feature."
I just realized this rule - publishers may opt out of used gaming...
Which means once the initial license is installed on a console, that's it - no more uninstalling/re-install on a different account hence no used copy of it.
Wow, just wow.... but I wonder who is going to actually do this scenario...
I'm guessing (drumroll) Microsoft will...unless the outcry is too much. But I think we are already going down this road.
I just realized this rule - publishers may opt out of used gaming...
Which means once the initial license is installed on a console, that's it - no more uninstalling/re-install on a different account hence no used copy of it.
Wow, just wow.... but I wonder who is going to actually do this scenario...
Doesn't it mean the other way around - that content will be able to resold without any problem?
That's the impression I got. If it means that games sold will only come with "1 license EVER" then holy hell.
Of course all of this won't be so bad if (as others keep comparing it to) like Steam games are £30 max on average, with prices dropping very low in constant sales.
But you think customers are going to see the benefits, or are Xbox One retail games still going to be £50? I think we all know the answer to that.
from the xbox homepage:
to me that sounds like it's disabled by default... because you can read it as well in the different part:
at the end Microsoft adds that their own published first party games have that enabled
I think that MS is giving publishers the variety of ways to make their games available on their console.
A game publisher can decide that NO USED games available. This could make sense for games that drop price quickly (Mass Effect 3 is already available for $20, it came out at $60). No used copies but new ones available for cheaper as time goes on. Maybe free DLC to those who purchased it at a higher price as the prices drop.
A publisher can decide to make a game available used. But this will create headaches and create confusion.
I think some may totally opt out - like maybe SEGA, who has had such a rough history with their consoles past, they just want people to play their games and may decide not to do any DRM. Just keep it to owners of the physical copy can play the game (the disc must be in the console to play it). Trade the game in and the person who buys it used can now play it.
A game publisher can decide that NO USED games available. This could make sense for games that drop price quickly (Mass Effect 3 is already available for $20, it came out at $60). No used copies but new ones available for cheaper as time goes on. Maybe free DLC to those who purchased it at a higher price as the prices drop.
A publisher can decide to make a game available used. But this will create headaches and create confusion.
I think some may totally opt out - like maybe SEGA, who has had such a rough history with their consoles past, they just want people to play their games and may decide not to do any DRM. Just keep it to owners of the physical copy can play the game (the disc must be in the console to play it). Trade the game in and the person who buys it used can now play it.