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Everything you said is exactly the truth. It's so funny when people write that the iPhone won't do well because it's to expensive. Expensive from what? Your measly $100 cell phone with primative Java enabled browsing and your massive 64mb (if your lucky) built in memory. Even at around the same price as the iPhone, you won't get anything even close to the same featureset and storage capacity.

To those saying that 4/8g isn't enough space, what the hell do you want, a portable hard drive? No, it's a phone! A phone that can play you some movies and mp3s while you browse the web, take pictures, make phone calls, etc. Not a freaking second back up drive so you can transfer your porno. Gimme a break people, 4/8g is huge for such a multi-function device that can still rest in the palm of your hand with ease.

I want a phone that can call a guy named "Scotty" who can then instantly transport me around the world.

Sadly, the MS answer is to be able to call a guy named "Frank" in India who can tell you how to reinstall the os...
 
Can't agree with you more.

Some people on here can't see the woods for the trees - they are such Apple fanatics - and dislike a negative thing said about Apple - with responses such as "why are you even on these forums".

not in development yet, why bother bashing?
 
Can't agree with you more.

Some people on here can't see the woods for the trees - they are such Apple fanatics - and dislike a negative thing said about Apple - with responses such as "why are you even on these forums".

i was wondering when apple decided to adopt major code from BSD and Konqueror for their OSX and Safari, did these same ppl ask "why copy other ppl"? lol, ironic, totally.
 
Double standards for you I'm afraid.

Apple copy ideas all the time - like just anyone else. Its OK for Apple, but not for others - thats what you are really saying - correct?


can't microsoft come up with anything new???

blatant half hearted ripoff of the iPhone is in progress.... :rolleyes:

aussie_geek
 
People fail to realise you DO get a similar feature set to the iPhone with functionality on top of for the same price as iPhone.

You may not get the *identical* feature set, with some features lacking and some extras that the iPhone doesn't have.

People seem to have the impression that the iPhone contains these feateures that no phone has seen before on one device!! The software on the iPhone is nothing special, its the UI - nothing more. In fact, the iPhone lacks a lot of features that phones have had for some time now.



You mean the 360 :D

True on both counts - the 12 month 3rd gen 360 lead. You must consider the PS2 has been out for signficiantly longer than the 360. We must wait longer for a true picture of the 3rd Generation sales figures. Its too early for a clear indication.

Ha, yeah that 260 was a typo, but I kind of like it :D

And personally, I like the phones from SE, Nokia and Samsung... Nokia when it comes to smartphones. That is the real competition, not some weak future first-gen offering from MS. If MS really is contemplating a zune phone, I hope they gave it some serious thought and don't come out with something half-assed like the zune. The other cell phone makers aren't going to roll over without a brutal fight.

And windows mobile/ce is winning because of Palm screwups. Oh and that Palm is a tiny company that can be outspent. Apple, Nokia and Samsung can throw billions at a problem...
 
Windows mobile isn't winning - they are #2, far, far behind Symbian.

Definitely, SE, Nokia and similar phones - they are the competition. MS could pull a surprise with the Zune cell phone and make a gem of a device - but I doubt it - going by past history - i.e., The zune player itself - like you said.

Ha, yeah that 260 was a typo, but I kind of like it :D

And personally, I like the phones from SE, Nokia and Samsung... Nokia when it comes to smartphones. That is the real competition, not some weak future first-gen offering from MS. If MS really is contemplating a zune phone, I hope they gave it some serious thought and don't come out with something half-assed like the zune. The other cell phone makers aren't going to roll over without a brutal fight.

And windows mobile/ce is winning because of Palm screwups. Oh and that Palm is a tiny company that can be outspent. Apple, Nokia and Samsung can throw billions at a problem...
 
it strikes me as odd how anti-competitive so many users are. what's the problem with a company introducing a competing product? who knows, it may even pressure apple to improve on its award-winning iPhone design. weren't we the ones screaming about anti-competitive behavior on the part of microsoft not too long ago?

Ditto...I don't see what the big deal is. Competition is good, even if it's from Microsoft....
 
the total smartphone market is only 5% of total cellphone market, don't treat i like a hidden treasure.
 
If it looks like the Zune I'd rather have some other phone. The Zune's definitely not my idea of style, but at least you can hide it in your pocket if you have one, which makes it at least better than a Zune phone.
 
I hope the Wii doesn't turn out to be a fad - because it deserves to do very well.
Well in that case, you deserve to live in a cave. They did something NEW. If no-one ever did that, then you wouldn't have the computer that you're typing those lovely posts on. :rolleyes: :)

Stella said:
Umm.. Why does it matter if it doesn't have java apps when you can't make you're own (yet) anyway?

Stella said:
Fridge, microwave... All these severe flaws that should be there..

Stella said:
good quality camera ( with video recording )
Oh, like 2 megapixel - which is fine for 6x4, therefore will look great on the screen size. Oh and IT'S A PHONE. Well the video recording isn't there, but meh phone videos look (and sound) crap anyway. It might come later.

Stella said:
ability to watch TV content
At $12/month, limited to 5 minutes a day. No thanks.

Stella said:
It has bluetooth and a dock connecter. It can (and will) easily happen.

Stella said:
AM radio, torch, pocket knife. You really make it sound like you want a much thicker, heavier iPhone.

Stella said:
ability to replace the battery
You don't have one, how would you know what the battery is like? Also, you CAN replace it. The same way you replace one in an iPod. It's not that hard...

Stella said:
one handed usage ( iPhone requires two hands )
Oh you've used one have you? You can always put it down on a table and use one hand.. With all the features you want it to have you'd need 2 hands (and possible a forklift) to carry it anyway...
 
You didn't read my post correctly - I think I said, in other words " i hope the Wii does well because its innovative and deserves success" - so I don't know why you think I should live in a cave?

Well in that case, you deserve to live in a cave. They did something NEW. If no-one ever did that, then you wouldn't have the computer that you're typing those lovely posts on. :rolleyes: :)

Your missing my point.

There is a wealth of 3rd party java apps out there - that can be used on cell phones.. unfortunately because of iPhone closed platform and no Java support - you can't use these.

That is my point.

Umm.. Why does it matter if it doesn't have java apps when you can't make you're own (yet) anyway?

Yea, just dismiss all features that aren't in the iPhone, easy that, isn't it? Then harp on about features that are in the iPhone that other phones may not have. Pick and choose your double standards.


If you think phone videos look crap then you haven't used the right ones - because they can be very good quality.

2megapixels are 'good' enough for point and click - there are better quality cameras about too. Apple should keep up - phones have 4 and 5 mega pixel quality cameras, with flash. Re: at the iPhone price point.

Oh, like 2 megapixel - which is fine for 6x4, therefore will look great on the screen size. Oh and IT'S A PHONE. Well the video recording isn't there, but meh phone videos look (and sound) crap anyway. It might come later.

Yawn, a dock device to display video on a TV, and sound - another thing you have to carry around. I'd rather have it integrated into the device, personally.

It has bluetooth and a dock connecter. It can (and will) easily happen.

Yawn, "but you can replace iPod and iPhone batteries - its easy" they say. Well, its not as easy as a regular phone - ie., pop off the lid and replace IS IT!!!

If you attempt to replace the iPod 5th Gen battery you run the risk of scratching the device. Its not user replacable. Apple did not intend the battery in the iPod ( or iPhone ) to be user replacable, they wanted you to send in the device or at an Apple authorised dealer etc.

You don't have one, how would you know what the battery is like? Also, you CAN replace it. The same way you replace one in an iPod. It's not that hard...

You don't get my point - I don't want to have to use two hands for a phone, or "put it down on a table". I want to use the phone in one hand - just like a regular phone. I've used two handed phones and for me, personally, its awkward. I get the impression that its a 'two handed' phone from the demos and initial feedback. I hope I'm wrong.

Why would you need two hands for all the features I've listed?!!!
Answer: you don't.

Oh you've used one have you? You can always put it down on a table and use one hand.. With all the features you want it to have you'd need 2 hands (and possible a forklift) to carry it anyway...
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Cell phones are evolving, they are no longer about just making phone calls. People should realise this... of course, they forget this when talking about the iPhone.

I'll say it again - the software in the iPhone is unspeculator, its the UI that makes a difference.
 
Zune phone = Redmond FUD.

C'mon, what's the point. This is a normal MS "leak", meant to spread classic fear, uncertainty and doubt among the masses. meh.

aside from that, met my first Zune user yesterday at the Oakland airport. Sat next to her in the bar for an hour and the Zune never found a friend.

I asked, she works for Microsoft licensing. :)
 
C'mon, what's the point. This is a normal MS "leak", meant to spread classic fear, uncertainty and doubt among the masses. meh.

aside from that, met my first Zune user yesterday at the Oakland airport. Sat next to her in the bar for an hour and the Zune never found a friend.

I asked, she works for Microsoft licensing. :)

how ironic!!

meet apple licensing ppl back in 1998. :D
 
You didn't read my post correctly - I think I said, in other words " i hope the Wii does well because its innovative and deserves success"
Oops, my apologies Stella. I read it as "it deserves to be a fad". :eek:
 
FCC approval doesn't apply to mp3 players.

Um. A device with the ability to transmit/receive radio waves (Wi-Fi) certainly DOES have to get approval from the FCC. In fact, lots of the early Zune rumor info (including the fact the Zune was based on a Toshiba GigaBeat) came from Microsoft's FCC filings.
 
What a great gift for lovers

The target launch date, however, is said to as soon as holiday 2007.

They must be trying to regain momentum lost from the Zune launch before Christmas 2006. Wow, to think I could be listening to DRM media on my phone by Valentine's Day 2007! That's only two weeks off!
 
Um. A device with the ability to transmit/receive radio waves (Wi-Fi) certainly DOES have to get approval from the FCC. In fact, lots of the early Zune rumor info (including the fact the Zune was based on a Toshiba GigaBeat) came from Microsoft's FCC filings.
As does any digital device. All digital devices must pass EMI (electro-magnetic interference) testing. This isn't as complicated as intentional radiators, and I'm not sure that they get published by the FCC in the same way, but it still takes time.
 
Hmm, well, there's a FLOP you can see months in advance. It would actually be a brilliant move to avoid association with the Zune thing as much as possible.... Well, all things considered they're probably stupid enough to release another one in poop color.

I think you are right about this. This is a very good business move. Here's why:

It will be very hard for Zune to replace the iPod. But if a large percentage of uses will eventually buy their "iPod" as an iPhone, then getting into this business is smart.

The real smart part is that Apple is vulnerable in this space (phones). It is locked into Cingular, and the cost is high.

Microsoft, if it uses its cash in this space, could sign up multiple carriers and lock in a bigger portion of the market almost immediately. Yes, their product will most likely be inferior, but so is their OS and it has the lion's share of the market.

From day one I thought Apple's deal with Cingular was the product's fatal flaw. This is one way it could manifest itself.

Unfortunately, what you say here is pretty major. I do hold out some hope though, because having lots of carriers is one thing and getting a flop to sell is another. However, Apple should try harder to widen their niche a bit. Waiting for people to come to you is fine, but it's best to meet them halfway. Still, despite the fact that yes, the iPhone has much the same, even superior capacity as the Nano in music, I doubt you'll see a massive shift from iPod user to iPhone user. Well, it'll be massive but not the whole picture.
 
Um. A device with the ability to transmit/receive radio waves (Wi-Fi) certainly DOES have to get approval from the FCC. In fact, lots of the early Zune rumor info (including the fact the Zune was based on a Toshiba GigaBeat) came from Microsoft's FCC filings.

Oops. I forgot about the squirting.
 
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