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little snitch shows a few attempts to standard Microsoft telemetry sites which I was able to block with little snitch. Didn't see any additional telemetry events after a restart though new "features" are added all the time.
 
The stylus thing is still different too. It really never was hat styluses are bad inherently. The problem was when you needed one to use the device. Now the Apple Pencil is simply an option to use in the few cases where a stylus really makes sense or if you just want it, but I can still buy an iPad today and use it without ever needing the pencil/stylus. My finger is still the primary interface as Steve intended. I don’t think Steve would have had any problem with the pencil (other than that idiotic charging scheme of the first gen)

Yes, that's the point. The quote is only true in the original context. Steves quote makes sense in one context, but can be misused and look stupid in another.

The Linus quote is the same. It was made 2 CEOs ago, and long before Microsoft embraced open source and community driven projects and new technologies. The Microsoft that that quote is about would never have open sourced a project, or built Visual Studio Code using electron, etc. It's not relevant - like that stylus quote. But it can be misused people who don't understand it.
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Does the world need yet another web browser? Glad safari covers all of my web needs.

Yes. Competition is required, especially with web browsers. Otherwise you end up with the Internet Explorer 6 issue where we're not able to move on for years. More players is good for the development of all browsers - including Safari.
 
I am using Brave, which is remarkably fast, and they are also what would happen if a company that didn't sell ads ran Chrome. Ad-busting, all kinds of security built in.
 
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I find it to be much speedier than Safari and Chrome. And I'm not sure what font it uses to render text, but all the text on webpages is much "crisper" than any other browser.
 
Dinner parties at @timidpimpin house involve security questions at the door. They revolve around browsers used, email domains signed up for, and if your master password includes uppercase, lowercase, numbers and at least 1 symbol.
 
This is truly lowest common denominator type thinking. Oh... and you're wrong also. You're really on a roll.

People who actually know how to use a computer can have complete privacy. Stop being a passenger at your computer, and be a driver instead.
The assumption should be your life is exposed and of course one can (and I do) take measures. Only in thinking those measures are 100% effective is what's foolish. There is no such thing as "complete privacy" in 2020.
 
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"You checked your private gmail email on your phone at work!"

I don't know how IT would know what someone is doing on their personal phone. On the other hand, there are high security environments where just having a personal phone on you is cause for being fired.
 
I downloaded Edge and ran a couple of browser benchmarks using my 2018 MacBook Pro 2.2Ghz 6-core. I'm running Mac OS 10.15.2. I also tested the latest version of Firefox. Edge isn't as performant as Safari, but it's close! Firefox lags far behind both.

JetStream 2: (https://browserbench.org/JetStream/)
Safari 137.875 *edit 2nd: 145.128
Edge 132.787 *edit 2nd: 136.070
Firefox 87.818

Speedometer 2: (https://browserbench.org/Speedometer2.0/)
Safari 127
Edge 111
Firefox 62.3

Next I loaded up imgur.com, all three browsers loaded it quickly, but only Safari scrolled in a buttery smooth, perfectly quick and responsive way using the trackpad. Edge and Firefox both scrolled in a jerky way using the trackpad. Using a mouse scroll wheel, it's hard to tell the 3 browsers apart. Since I often use my trackpad, Safari "feels" way, way better than Firefox or Edge whenever I scroll.
You were really thorough about this. Would you mind running the same tests on the Brave Browser please?
I could do it myself but I am not familiar with the benchmarks.
 
Trolling and inane comments aside.. does this allow for 4K on YouTube? Whether thats Apple or Google’s “fault” is not relevant to me in this context. I rarely use Chrome despite its other strengths and weaknesses but I will use it to access videos in 4K on YouTube.

And to touch on an earlier post... Ghostery Lite in my opinion hasn’t been as good as ublock was on the prior macOS safari for me. Not saying its “bad” but I haven’t found it to be as effective personally.
 
Who in their RIGHT mind would ever install a Micro$oft product on their Apple product? Crashes. Hacking vulnerabilities. You name it. To quote Linus Torvalds many years ago, windows is NOT the answer. Windows is the question. NO is the answer. I would not give it a femtosecond of thought.

dude, I used to think th
same but in the last 3/4 years every apple software is bugged AF and crashes and security issues are a real thing. Don’t forget that only two years ago you could log in macos without typing a password.

Apple software development team is a disaster and Microsoft on the other hand is getting better and better.
And I’m talking as a Mac user, I don’t have a single non Apple gadget at home but I’m so over it. Nothing works like it should lately, n o t h i n g .
 
It’s a nice browser. On my Windows desktop, I switched from Chrome in the fall without issue. That said, I don’t think I’d leave Safari on Mac or any Apple platform.


even tho you cannot watch 4k YouTube videos in Safari?

I prefer safari myself, but have been using Chrome more and more b/c I've been watching lots of YouTube lately and Google has locked Safari out of anything higher than 1080p60

I only use safari when purchasing things with apple pay.

this is a new iMac pro I got for Christmas and for some reason Safari hasn't transferred my most used websites from my old MBA or my iPhone.
 
Lets get to the important stuff here...

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Trolling and inane comments aside.. does this allow for 4K on YouTube? Whether thats Apple or Google’s “fault” is not relevant to me in this context. I rarely use Chrome despite its other strengths and weaknesses but I will use it to access videos in 4K on YouTube.

Yes. Includes 8k Youtubes as well.
 
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dude, I used to think th
same but in the last 3/4 years every apple software is bugged AF and crashes and security issues are a real thing. Don’t forget that only two years ago you could log in macos without typing a password.

Apple software development team is a disaster and Microsoft on the other hand is getting better and better.
And I’m talking as a Mac user, I don’t have a single non Apple gadget at home but I’m so over it. Nothing works like it should lately, n o t h i n g .

Is the 3/4 of a year as is three quarters, or 3 to 4 years?
 
I guarantee it will confuse the hell out of end users calling into support lines:
Support: "What browser are you using sir?"
User: "Chromium......edge"
Support: "Chrome or Edge sir?"
User: "Chromium edge!"
Support: !?!?!?!

OY!
 
Because Microsoft fumbled the ball on mobile.

If they want to monetize user activity across multiple platforms (Windows, Android, macOS, iOS/iPadOS) like Google, they really need a common web browser. Of those four, macOS is the least important but since they are using Chromium, it's easier for them to develop a macOS application.

Before I left Android I tried an Alcatel OneTouch 4S with Windows. It was a quality built phone, I'll even call it premium, but the OS freakin sucked. Too bad...
 
So, where can I download the source code? Is Microsoft going to submit there changes back to the open source community?
 
If you're brave enough to use it, then you sound interesting enough to be my friend. Unless you use Firefox. I'm not friends with those people. ThrobbingPole Edge users are pre-approved for friendship.

But I have long used Firefox due to its compatibility with Linux and Windows. Would you still be my friend? 😂
 
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