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Microsoft's Latest Anti-MacBook Ad Focuses on Surface Pro 4's Touchscreen

luisfrocha said:
You are correct. I was impressed with the Hololens. Anything else from MS, not really. As for unified OS, it's been tried and nothing has come from it. Like I said, if you rush and don't provide a GOOD product, it simply won't work. What's different with Apple (at least when Steve was around) was that the products were made for PEOPLE to use them; they were not slapped together in hopes that enough people like something about it to justify keeping it around (think of Motorola Atrix or
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I still don't think those exact product (Surface Book, windows phone, Hololens) were slapped together in hopes that enough people like it. If Microsoft continues to improve its products and quality they'll own the future one day. Here we may disagree but I agree that in the end quality matters.

Regarding Apple I don't believe it knows what it's doing right now and knows where to move. It has problems with delivering hardware and even software updates on time. I don't think they'll move into the same direction as MS at least until MS will succeed on a huge scale but then it may be too late and Apple in fact will rush and slap something together creating an ugly mix of iOS and OS X. I don't think they are working on it right now. At Steve times they were brave innovators now they are careful followers going to where the money is. Huge screens are popular? Ok, here we go with iPhone 6/Plus. Wirelese charging is the new trend? Ok, here we go with iPhone 8.

Why not be the first with say a 4 camera smartphone? To blow anything out of the water. You have so much money and resources, what you are waiting for? Research, develop, do not rush, do it properly. We'll see what the year brings us with iPhone 2017.

Original iPhone wasn't the first smartphone but it was revolutionary. You could control it with your fingers when everyone was using stylus and tiny buttons. You could pinch, zoom, swipe. It was innovative. Same thing happens right now with MS. They're innovating while Apple is waiting for something. IMO.
 
hovercroft said:
Exactly. And I have chosen one item over two. I have my MBP which does everything I need it too. So everyone is a winner.
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Which is great as long as you don't need to jot down notes or use it as a drawing device. As long as that is not part of your day to day usage and something you'll never need or miss then that's all you'll need.
However.... That's what the ad is about..
 
niun said:
Which is great as long as you don't need to jot down notes or use it as a drawing device. As long as that is not part of your day to day usage and something you'll never need or miss then that's all you'll need.
However.... That's what the ad is about..
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And if I was in the market for a tablet device. I would get the ipad Pro. Either way I wouldn't replace my laptop with a tablet. At best a microsoft tablet, as the UI is the worst i've ever used.
 
hovercroft said:
And if I was in the market for a tablet device. I would get the ipad Pro. Either way I wouldn't replace my laptop with a tablet. At best a microsoft tablet, as the UI is the worst i've ever used.
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Lol, this is becoming repetitive.

Simple.. If all you need is a laptop with none of the pen friendly stuff then bingo. MBP is for you.
If all you need is a tablet with none of the abilities of a Laptop then win win, iPad Pro.

Iiiiiiiiiiiifffffff...Like myself, you need BOTH of those things and more it's a Surface Pro.
It's a tablet, drawing pad - angled for comfort with the kickstand, laptop with the keyboard cover and, hooking it up to a 4K monitor it's a desktop.. You see.. I spent ages searching for the right device to suit my needs. If Apple had made it, I'd have bought it.
They want to do things their way, I want the choice. Go figure.

It's cool though.. Keep buying Apple. You're paying my mortgage. So, happy days.
 
niun said:
Lol, this is becoming repetitive.

Simple.. If all you need is a laptop with none of the pen friendly stuff then bingo. MBP is for you.
If all you need is a tablet with none of the abilities of a Laptop then win win, iPad Pro.

Iiiiiiiiiiiifffffff...Like myself, you need BOTH of those things and more it's a Surface Pro.
It's a tablet, drawing pad - angled for comfort with the kickstand, laptop with the keyboard cover and, hooking it up to a 4K monitor it's a desktop.. You see.. I spent ages searching for the right device to suit my needs. If Apple had made it, I'd have bought it.
They want to do things their way, I want the choice. Go figure.

It's cool though.. Keep buying Apple. You're paying my mortgage. So, happy days.
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Fair enough. But just if someone needs both doesn't mean they have to buy a surface pro. There are other options even if that includes having two seperate devices, and i'm sure alot of people do. The whole point of this conversation was not that its not a good idea. But how laughable the advert is at making feeble remarks to make them feel like their product is better than every one elses. Like you said different people have different needs. And their product won't suit everyone. Just like apples products wont suit everyone. But thats why we've got a nice choice of plenty of different devices from different companies so we can pick what we want. First world problems hey.
 
hovercroft said:
You mean Mac vs tablet lol. Would be interesting to see how many people are rushing out to sell their macs to buy a Windows tablet. I bet not many.
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No..

Advertising... Mac V PC.. Ring a bell? Not to mention every damn advert out of the US. It's a formula.. Highlight what your product does by bashing an opposing product. Add a jingle and a splash of colour and you're done.
 
niun said:
No..

Advertising... Mac V PC.. Ring a bell? Not to mention every damn advert out of the US. It's a formula.. Highlight what your product does by bashing an opposing product. Add a jingle and a splash of colour and you're done.
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Even so. I doubt there is many rushing out to sell their macs for this tablet. I'm sure not.
 
hovercroft said:
Even so. I doubt there is many rushing out to sell their macs for this tablet. I'm sure not.
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Man you really are struggling with this. It's for the peeps who are deciding on what to purchase. Hence the focus on these selling points..
 
niun said:
Man you really are struggling with this. It's for the peeps who are deciding on what to purchase. Hence the focus on these selling points..
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Exactly like I said before. Each to their own :) it's still a terrible advert though lol
 
hovercroft said:
Agreed. I'd definitely choose the ipad pro over the surface. And i'd definitely choose a MBP over any other laptop, which I have done. Plus, Windows 10. Yuck!
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Windows 10 = Yuck?

Have you been living under a rock?

It's beating OS X in every possible way.
 
Sy7ygy said:
Windows 10 = Yuck?

Have you been living under a rock?

It's beating OS X in every possible way.
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In your opinion. I've used it and hated it. Ever since windows 8 it's been dreadful. My MBP outperforms windows in every possible way. Again. For my needs, every one is different. Your opinion on windows 10 doesn't mean everyone has to follow suit.
 
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luisfrocha said:
Graphics applications which are not optimized for the tablet UI, which means you can't really use the pen anyway, at least not as effectively. I'm not a user, but I've read those complaints about them.
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You might learn something about by looking at the numerous artists using the surface with x86 art software.
It is excellent. At least you qualified your remark
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TheMacDaddy1 said:
Microsoft did botch the launch of this hardware, especially with Windows 10 and Intel Skylake. However after many, many firmware updates the Surface Pro's we support at work are running pretty good now and get great battery life.
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Agreed. It is a mystery to me why Windows 10, which is essentially Windows 8.1.5, released as such a hot mess. They need to greatly improve the basics like power management and rationalizing overlapping settings windows. But they seem to spend so much time on cortana, notifications, etc--things no one cares about.
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Sy7ygy said:
Windows 10 = Yuck?

Have you been living under a rock?

It's beating OS X in every possible way.
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I dont know how you can argue that, but i would be interested to know. MacOs and Windows
just seem essentially equivalant. Digital canvas with x86 apps puts me in the windows world
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niun said:
Iiiiiiiiiiiifffffff...Like myself, you need BOTH of those things and more it's a Surface Pro.
It's a tablet, drawing pad - angled for comfort with the kickstand, laptop with the keyboard cover and, hooking it up to a 4K monitor it's a desktop.. You see.. I spent ages searching for the right device to suit my needs. If Apple had made it, I'd have bought it.
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But its windows. Its a terrible tablet and a mediocre laptop. Its a refrigerator toaster. My friend had
one and the pen only worked every other day. Windows has no touch apps and its impossible to
use. You cant use x86 art software with the surface pen. The price of the keyboard should be included.
You would think if the pen was so important they would include the pen with the tablet.
 
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