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haha some good actors there, wonder what the "amazing" features shown were - probably a word document containing their lines

cos the reality is that vista is a messy, buggy, piece of crap
Once again, for the record. I AM an Apple fanboy. However, VISTA is NOT as bad as people are saying it is. It is much, much better than XP. Trust me, I would know. I have actually used Vista for a long period of time, instead of just listening to everyone else's feedback. My guess is, the majority of the Vista bashers have not actually owned and used a copy of Vista for more than one day.

I have not found any outstanding bugs in Vista, but I have found a few regular and performance glitches here and there.

And yes, I have ran Vista and XP on the SAME machine. I would definitely choose Vista over XP if those were my only choices.

HOWEVER, I would MUCH, MUCH rather use any modern version of Mac OS X over ANY version of Windows. Windows looks good at first, and most people don't see anything wrong with it.... but, after you compare it to Mac OS X, there is almost NO comparison. IMO, OS X is superior [to either XP or Vista].
 
Joined for this thread, this is just too much. :rolleyes:

I have been using Windows since 3.1. My first computer was an old crappy Compaq Presario that my dad bought when I was six. My fascination with computers came fast, and through the years i have had the "pleasure" of working with Windows 3.1, 95, 98, 2000, Millennium Edition, XP, and of course Vista. That being said, I got to learn how Windows worked inside and out, and understood the benefits of each upgrade. My family had always sworn by Microsoft and, being the elitists that we were at the time, spoke negatively of Apple and its supporters.

My first experience with Vista was sometime last year and I, too, was swayed by the fancy UI and new features. Of course, within a few weeks I understood all the negative feedback regarding the OS. The UAC was a pain. Drivers were impossible to find. I somehow managed to get two viruses within about 3 months, even with antivirus software. Needless to say, I was frustrated but I didn't blame Microsoft. After all, they created the only OS i could ever feel comfortable using... right?

This year, many of my friends started to make the switch to Macs. I generally laughed at them and told them how much better off they would have been by sticking with PCs... and eventually, one day I confronted one of those friends and finally demanded that he show me what was so great about these things.

I was blown away almost instantly. It began with little things like Spotlight, Exposé, Finder, and the UI, and continued into iLife (compare bundled software like iMovie to Windows Movie Maker... unbelievable!) and advanced Mac-only programs like Logic and Final Cut. Furthermore, I was amazed by the integration offered on Mac programs... and the incredible ease of use in productivity software such as Pages - anyone who is used to Microsoft Word will love the word wrap and ease of embedding pictures into documents, in addition to the integration with Address Book and other programs. Simply put, I was quite surprised to realize that I had been using the wrong OS for years. And no Registry? Beautiful.

Here's the thing. Apple did more for me than just paint a pretty picture of a UI and tell me that I should like it. Being a hardcore Microsoft supporter before my switch, I was obviously very skeptical, and tried to bring down the Mac in any way I could. But I couldn't. Even after months, I'm still amazed by how much happier OS X makes me than any version of Windows. It's that simple... Apple offers the better product, and anyone willing to try it out and explore the benefits will realize that for themselves.

I finally decided to get a job at the Apple Store in June, and the best feeling in the world is giving PC-obsessed customers a walkthrough of Leopard and watching their facial expressions. I've actually had an MCSE-certified Microsoft employee/fanboy come in, buy a MacBook for his daughter (since she needed it for college) and give me a hard time for being an Apple supporter... within an hour, after showing him the benefits of making the switch, he decided he needed an iMac.

The thing is, my personal experience and the experience I give to customers at Apple isn't like the one we see in these Microsoft ads. Even after a complete immersion and months of using Apple products, I felt quite foolish for being so one-sided all these years... This unfortunately won't be the case (if indeed unstaged) for the subjects of the "Mojave Experiment"... and it's a shame that they have been fooled and may never give Macs a chance. Don't get me wrong, I don't bash Microsoft, they are in no way awful (although their ad campaign is!).. but their products are inferior (to me at least) and I do feel that Apple deserves much more credit.

-Alex
 
Joined for this thread, this is just too much. :rolleyes:

This topic is under discussion in a number of threads currently.

Good comments, and not just because they are pro-Mac. I certainly agree -- Apple doesn't get enough credit, even from Mac loyalists, who are often more critical of Apple than anyone else. You don't see similar criticism of Microsoft very often from Windows users. Over they years, I think they've become inured to Windows' deficiencies and put up with them because they've been told over and over they had no real alternative. The fact that Apple has managed to break through social, technical and perception barriers, and is now building market share for the Mac, deserves more respect than it gets.

The "Mojave" campaign only makes sense in this context. The message that Vista "is not as bad as you've heard" can hit home only for people who are unused to having a choice, and need only a push in the direction they've been going. The very fact that Microsoft seems to believe that this approach will work, is telling. They are trying to subtract doubts instead of adding enthusiasm. And why not? This is pretty much all they've needed in the past, when they could assume a captive market. This is no longer the case, thanks to Apple.

Your "former self" is a person every long-time Mac user has encountered often. Your switch, which seems to be based on an evaluation of relative merits, suggests that the earth is now moving under Microsoft's feet in a way that appears to befuddle them. Does Microsoft understand the challenge they're facing from Apple? I believe this ad campaign suggests not.
 
lmao i dont think they used it past 10 minutes or else the bsod would have appeared

the fact is if you really want to use vista install it on your mac cuz it actually has less problems on a mac than it does on a windows computer

i installed vista on my macbook... it worked but i felt ashamed of it so i unistalled it:apple::apple::D:apple::apple:
 
Well, I had a roomate for an entire school year who was running vista and he didnt really seem to enjoy using his laptop as much as I enjoy my Macbook running OS X Leopard. On top of a non-user friendly desktop, they have the automatic update feature. One of these updates actually stopped the internet from working on every vista user on campus. There are 30,000 students on campus and i would say about 3,000 of them have vista. That was a huge problem for a few days. How can microsoft miss something like that when testing an update before forcing it on all of their users who are considerate enough to stick by them? I will say vista is not completely flawed. Apple could create a version of the Per-application volume control. Other than that I see nothing worth salvaging in Vista.
 
Well, I had a roomate for an entire school year who was running vista and he didnt really seem to enjoy using his laptop as much as I enjoy my Macbook running OS X Leopard. On top of a non-user friendly desktop, they have the automatic update feature. One of these updates actually stopped the internet from working on every vista user on campus. There are 30,000 students on campus and i would say about 3,000 of them have vista. That was a huge problem for a few days. How can microsoft miss something like that when testing an update before forcing it on all of their users who are considerate enough to stick by them? I will say vista is not completely flawed. Apple could create a version of the Per-application volume control. Other than that I see nothing worth salvaging in Vista.

You are such a fan boy...
1. You don't even know if your friend ennoyed.
2. Most mac users like to think highly of themselves and like to put windows users down.
3. You can turn off the automatic and I'm using wireless in vista and never had issues whatsoever.
4. Stop EVERY VISTA USER ON CAMPUS AND ABOUT 3000 OF THEM HAVE VISTA? You sure to know your facts :rolleyes:
 
You are such a fan boy...
1. You don't even know if your friend ennoyed.
2. Most mac users like to think highly of themselves and like to put windows users down.
3. You can turn off the automatic and I'm using wireless in vista and never had issues whatsoever.
4. Stop EVERY VISTA USER ON CAMPUS AND ABOUT 3000 OF THEM HAVE VISTA? You sure to know your facts :rolleyes:

well if you want to know some FACTS about microsoft's Vista, you should check this out http://aaxnet.com/editor/edit043.html. It is pretty sad when the co-president of Microsoft's Platform Products and Services Group retires because he wants to have nothing to do with Vista and wants no credit for it. He said himself that he would own a Mac if he didn't work for Microsoft and he was helping design Vista. What does that tell you if even the heads of the company won't stand by their product.
 
The said the same thing about XP and look at it now, it's stable as heck. The article you posted was back in March 07 and look at vista now. You just can't admitted that you're a fan boy.
 
My first experience with Vista was sometime last year and I, too, was swayed by the fancy UI and new features. Of course, within a few weeks I understood all the negative feedback regarding the OS. The UAC was a pain. Drivers were impossible to find. I somehow managed to get two viruses within about 3 months, even with antivirus software. Needless to say, I was frustrated but I didn't blame Microsoft. After all, they created the only OS i could ever feel comfortable using... right?
The UI is alright, but just because everyone is saying it's terrible doesn't mean it is. Did you try disabling the UAC? I had to do that, and I have zero viruses. Were you using a good anti-virus program? McCafe, Norton, etc. do not work. Neither does the built in Windows one. Eset's Nod 32 works great.

However, us lucky Mac users don't have to worry about UAC and anti virus.
 
I made the mistake of getting sucked into the Vista hype over 18 months ago; I can assure you that a few minutes of using Windows Vista, but may appear to be impressive, but once you start using it for long periods of time - the honeymoon period soon wears off and the cold hard reality kicks in. Service Pack didn't fix the problems I have with Windows Vista, or specifically, Windows in general.

How about this; accept Windows Vista sucks, clear the deck, and come up with a brand new operating system - hell, give me a FreeBSD core plus an Amiga Workbench GUI and I'd be a happy camper - and yes, horrific enough, it'll look a wee bit like MacOS X with the grand unified menu at the top.
And what problems are you having anti-windows apple loyalist person? I agree, Windows is at the very bottom when comparing to Linux or Mac OS X, but I have never had a problem with it. Recently I had a nVida (or however you spell it) driver problem (but it fixed itself), and there is occasionally a problem when booting (log in screen not showing for a brief period of time) but if things like this bother you.... :confused: what doesn't?

I do not accept that Vista sucks, because I find that it doesn't. I would rather use Vista over XP ANY day.

But I would rather use OS X over Windows ANY day. Windows doesn't even come close when comparing it to OS X. That's for sure. It's just that Vista is receiving such terrible rep for reasoning which I do not see.

P.S. Don't dream about a unified menu in any other OS. It's patented. ;) (really it is)

Edit:
To tell you the truth, I feel sorry for Microsoft. Yes, Vista started out shakey, but it straitened itself out quickly. It's stable enough for daily use (except for a couple programs... which shall not be named) [for me... I'm on a $600 Dell]
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The first link on the page, "What you may not know" (http://www.mojaveexperiment.com/facts/), is returning a 404 error for me. Very impressive show of what Vista is full of: errors. :p

Same. What else do you expect from Microsoft?

I'm sorry to be such a pessimist and rain on your parade... but when a server is not working, you do not get a 404 error. You were simply linked to a page on the server that does not exist:
http://www.mojaveexperiment.com/

Try that page.

Edit:
Now this is funny:
http://www.mojaveexperiment.com/#/?video=v17
 
And what problems are you having anti-windows apple loyalist person? I agree, Windows is at the very bottom when comparing to Linux or Mac OS X, but I have never had a problem with it. Recently I had a nVida (or however you spell it) driver problem (but it fixed itself), and there is occasionally a problem when booting (log in screen not showing for a brief period of time) but if things like this bother you.... :confused: what doesn't?

I do not accept that Vista sucks, because I find that it doesn't. I would rather use Vista over XP ANY day.

But I would rather use OS X over Windows ANY day. Windows doesn't even come close when comparing it to OS X. That's for sure. It's just that Vista is receiving such terrible rep for reasoning which I do not see.

Vista may not suck, but it is a major embarrassment for Microsoft, even after SP1. After seven years, stripping away most of the promised features, and dishing out a lackluster upgrade which offers little to entice, we are left with a power hungry and rather unimpressive performing OS with a dismal future. Vista may operate 'good enough' on modern PCs, but the lethargic transfer of files is unacceptable, as is the boot time and clumsy interface. Both Allchin and Gates saw the writing on the wall with this one, and bailed accordingly.
 
the lethargic transfer of files is unacceptable, as is the boot time and clumsy interface. Both Allchin and Gates saw the writing on the wall with this one, and bailed accordingly.

I have no problem transferring files and same or faster than XP. Boot time is faster than XP for me and I have more programs running now so I fail to see your point.
 
hmm ok

1. These ads do not show the screen, therefore we have no idea what they are looking at.

2. This is a video, videos are edited. They arent going to include, "Wait, theres no such thing as Mojave, your lying, whats going on here?"

Also edited out are the people saying "OMG this is just as bad as Vista."

3. These people are not qualified to critique Vista. They have ultra basic needs and (obviously) no computer knowledge. They might go "wow" to Aero, but thats not what makes an OS good.

Very poor attempt at marketing if you ask me.
 
Actually a very good ad. I haven't seen a good Windows ad in awhile, so they had to go and do something off the wall. Attacking Apple like how Apple attacked Windows wouldn't work, so this was the next best thing.

There's some truth to it though, Vista really isn't as bad as a lot of people make it out to be. All in all it's just another operating system and everyone has their own preferences.
 
I have no problem transferring files and same or faster than XP. Boot time is faster than XP for me and I have more programs running now so I fail to see your point.

These are the times Id kill to have a video camera...

On my desk is an XP machine, beside it is a Vista machine.....

Transferring 200GB from one drive to another drive via usb 2.0 on the XP machine takes about 3 hours, on the vista machine.....TWELVE hours!!!!

Did I mention the XP machine is an eeePC?


My main problem with this is the vista machines all have sp1 installed, they all have the same image on them and the same hardware, (most of them), yet probably a good 85% experience this horribly slow problem but the other 15% do not. It doesn't make sense, the machines are identical. Something has to be going on inside the OS to cause this.
 
i have tried vista,
to be honest i prob could have given it more time,
but only ten minutes after installing,
i swear every time i did anything, the security thing came up and i switched this thing back and forth numerous times, maybe it was the game i was installing but, i had to switch this back and forth more than 4 times.

if i had to deal with vista, i would not be on the computer right now
 
Here's some thoughts that may have already been said, but I need to compile this.

First, they were running "Mojave" on their (company) computers that are OPTIMIZED for their operating system, yes? Okay, well if this were a true experiment they would have said "Bring your laptop! Bring your tower!" addition. That's the honest way to do it. I mean yeah, Vista can run fine off of a machine that is perfectly optimized for it. (Fine being a relative term) but i'm pretty sure the experience would be a bit different if they actually had the testees do the ENTIRE Vista experience. That's download, set up, optimize, and operate for a full 24 hours.

Most of what I saw was a "guided tour", not an actual experience. And it wasn't on their own computers, they were on company computers.

You know what I would like to see? These "Mojave" mooks vs. 4 random Mac Specialists (not Geniuses. Specialists. Floor Grunts. from an Apple store anywhere around the world and get a group of 3 non-computer savvy people, 3 Windows users, and 3 Mac users. And the two tables with 3 Macbooks running OSX and 3 Top of the Line PC Laptops running Vista.

And whoever likes PCs more stands at Team Mojave, and whoever likes the Macs stands over at Team Leopard. Whoever has more people wins the "experiment".

THAT would be a legit experiment.
 
On my desk is an XP machine, beside it is a Vista machine.....

Transferring 200GB from one drive to another drive via usb 2.0 on the XP machine takes about 3 hours, on the vista machine.....TWELVE hours!!!!

It's some sort of weird bug. First it was denied, then it was recognised, then it was kind of fixed and then it still did it on some machines...

...and now I don't know what the deal is. Is it fixed in SP1?
 
Here's some thoughts that may have already been said, but I need to compile this.

First, they were running "Mojave" on their (company) computers that are OPTIMIZED for their operating system, yes? Okay, well if this were a true experiment they would have said "Bring your laptop! Bring your tower!" addition. That's the honest way to do it. I mean yeah, Vista can run fine off of a machine that is perfectly optimized for it. (Fine being a relative term) but i'm pretty sure the experience would be a bit different if they actually had the testees do the ENTIRE Vista experience. That's download, set up, optimize, and operate for a full 24 hours.

Most of what I saw was a "guided tour", not an actual experience. And it wasn't on their own computers, they were on company computers.

You know what I would like to see? These "Mojave" mooks vs. 4 random Mac Specialists (not Geniuses. Specialists. Floor Grunts. from an Apple store anywhere around the world and get a group of 3 non-computer savvy people, 3 Windows users, and 3 Mac users. And the two tables with 3 Macbooks running OSX and 3 Top of the Line PC Laptops running Vista.
And whoever likes PCs more stands at Team Mojave, and whoever likes the Macs stands over at Team Leopard. Whoever has more people wins the "experiment".

THAT would be a legit experiment.

And interestingly enough, a top-of-the-line PC Laptop is twice the price of a basic MacBook... :eek:
 
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