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Microsoft's New Vista Ad Campaign: Microsoft Mojave
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I ran Vista before switching to Apple computers (after years of using XP daily) and it did run fine... once I fixed it by changing as much configuration as possible to make it look and function like XP again.
So, Vista isn't all bad as long as you turn off every single new feature... which kinda defeats the purpose of "new features."
Well I may have exagerated a bit BUT im not far off.
1Gb is BARE minumum of vista... running vista on 1Gb is hell... I know because I have done it
2Gb vista will run decently... i've used many Vaio laptops with 2Gb and yeah it runs and starts up alright... but you'll still find yourself waiting 2-3 seconds every now and then, like switching between lots of windows in the task bar (an example I been through was switching between a IE window and an iTunes window consistently... I found I had to wait a few seconds every time i went to click the IE window again... maybe IE just sucks... but thats ironic cause its made by microsoft.)
3GB yeah vista will run well, you'll most likely never run into issues unless your using some heavy programs.
4GB Vista will run flawlessly... no issues ever most likely. SINCE microsoft wanted vista to look as good as possible to these people in the ads im positive microsoft used VERY high specs. Why wouldnt they?
Dont argue with me because I've used vista ALOT as well so I know.
Don't mean to bang on about the same thing but it shouldn't take longer to copy/move/delete files/folders. That's what happened with Vista and to me, means it isn't running fine.
are you saying aero and vista UI runs super slow on your machine? how large is your RAM? what CPU? and what graphic card?
LOL, don't argue with me, LOL, whats the point.
Two of my Vista machines, a desktop (hp) and a laptop (VAIO) both have 2G RAM. I don't see any problem, it runs smooth, it runs fast, It moves my files (somebody asked above) at 20MB/s (while My Leopard does 10MB/s?). I play HoMM5 on the desktop, it runs flawlessly.
I previously owned a laptop with celeron and 1G RAM, the laptop is cheap, Acer aspire, $399, vista runs decent.
What!?!
So I know a million people have said this but why dont they show the screen?? At least Apple has no problem showing that their product actually works in commercials. Plus of course vista works for the five minutes they try it out. Its after that five minutes or so that everything turns to crap. Oh windows when will you ever learn, you just cant beat OSX.
So I know a million people have said this but why dont they show the screen?? At least Apple has no problem showing that their product actually works in commercials. Plus of course vista works for the five minutes they try it out. Its after that five minutes or so that everything turns to crap. Oh windows when will you ever learn, you just cant beat OSX.
If you read down this thread, more then half of the comments are about how Vista is terrible, or Vista is slow. BUT, if Apple did the same type of experiment with Mac OS X, people would be praising it. It's a great marketing idea by Microsoft, and people are too hypocritical about Vista just because of what people complain about. I have Vista on my machine, and I love it.
But hey, that's my two cents.
It's an great idea, we'll give them that, but from our standpoint, is it valid? They never show Vista on the screen, so how do we know it's really Vista they are showing.
Even further, they could have shown them a developer copy of the next Windows OS, in 10 minutes there's no way they could use the OS fully. You never know, its Microsoft.
Remember, you have to see for yourself. Ironically Microsoft is promoting intelligence to the many consumers out there who will only take someone elses word on it (and of course this can be extended to Mac OS X, iPhones, or any other Operating System/product in general to see and decide for yourself), and the only thing on here are people talking about how they didn't see what was in front of them.
Sebastian
in all Pc vs. Mac ads, did you see Vista once? and you can get bad impression from it. was that valid?
This ads is just as valid as, if not more than, apple's ads. At least these ads shows you more opinions from real people.
Yeah, trying to be objective is a very good thing, I agree with you there. But you can't deny the hypocrisy - when there is a newspost about a new Mac vs. PC ad, noone tries to suggest that perhaps the negative statements about the PC aren't really correct. Everyone just goes "hahaha so true, i love my mac".
i used vista too
i used vista too - and its not really bad! but in a side to side comparison osx would totaly win in "ease of use" terms. but who here doesnt know that!
this mojave project is a funny idea but all they show them, is searching and how fast movies start playing - thats sad.
the woman that says "its a better choice than "a mac os"" is sooo weird - bet she never got her hands on any mac os!
i used vista too - and its not really bad! but in a side to side comparison osx would totaly win in "ease of use" terms. but who here doesnt know that!
this mojave project is a funny idea but all they show them, is searching and how fast movies start playing - thats sad.
the woman that says "its a better choice than "a mac os"" is sooo weird - bet she never got her hands on any mac os!
what apple needs to do
mojave is just an experiment with blind taste except that they used two cans of coke with different labels. thats NOT how it works, you cant say you product is better because you compared it to itself. now what i would like to see is an experiment where instead of just vista there would be vista leopard and ubuntu set up next to each other. that is how you find out the creme of the crop.
apple needs to do the same thing but with mac os haters. lol. that would be great.
apple rep. AR
"this is the next generation mac os"
guy
"oh really? cool"
AR
"so what is it about the current mac that you dont like?"
guy
"i have all these games that i cant run because there only pc"
AR shows him boot camp
guy
"no way i can wait for it to come out"
AR
"this is a regular mac you dumb@ss"
the catch is you dont need vista ultimate in order to have the features of mojave. its standard with every mac since april of 2006.
i mean seriously does it even say which version of vista it was running? did the people find out that you could almost buy a refurbished macbook for the amount that vista ultimate costs?
mojave is just an experiment with blind taste except that they used two cans of coke with different labels. thats NOT how it works, you cant say you product is better because you compared it to itself. now what i would like to see is an experiment where instead of just vista there would be vista leopard and ubuntu set up next to each other. that is how you find out the creme of the crop.
apple needs to do the same thing but with mac os haters. lol. that would be great.
apple rep. AR
"this is the next generation mac os"
guy
"oh really? cool"
AR
"so what is it about the current mac that you dont like?"
guy
"i have all these games that i cant run because there only pc"
AR shows him boot camp
guy
"no way i can wait for it to come out"
AR
"this is a regular mac you dumb@ss"
the catch is you dont need vista ultimate in order to have the features of mojave. its standard with every mac since april of 2006.
i mean seriously does it even say which version of vista it was running? did the people find out that you could almost buy a refurbished macbook for the amount that vista ultimate costs?
Yet of course, Apple was still plugging the "Macs don't crash" 'fact' for a long time.
Interesting approach and amazed that MS are admitting Vista is perceived so badly.
The 'You can't please everyone' vid seems to have incredibly low volume. Sounded to me like 'Why isn't is faster?' - a very interesting question to miss!
I actually want to use Vista, I got a license free with my iMac 24" 3.06. I wanted to run Vista via Bootcamp for games, but it feels so sluggish and yet games run really well. Is it Apple holding back on the drivers, or is it really that sluggish? I don't have it on my work PCs.
The 'You can't please everyone' vid seems to have incredibly low volume. Sounded to me like 'Why isn't is faster?' - a very interesting question to miss!
I actually want to use Vista, I got a license free with my iMac 24" 3.06. I wanted to run Vista via Bootcamp for games, but it feels so sluggish and yet games run really well. Is it Apple holding back on the drivers, or is it really that sluggish? I don't have it on my work PCs.
Define FINE
Well define "runs FINE" I have a friend, who installed Vista on his laptop. and he sayes it runs great. (can't remember the MHz, but only 512MB RAM)
It uses 3 min. to boot.
When you here music, it takes like 30sec. to skip 4 numbers.
But still he thinks it runs great.
Opening a word document..... Well I whent to the kitching to get me something to drink, so did not time it. But I had plenty of time.
So basic when people says it runs fine/great/perfect.
It also has a lot to say about what people exspet. And well some Windows users do not expect a lot from ther machine.
Well define "runs FINE" I have a friend, who installed Vista on his laptop. and he sayes it runs great. (can't remember the MHz, but only 512MB RAM)
It uses 3 min. to boot.
When you here music, it takes like 30sec. to skip 4 numbers.
But still he thinks it runs great.
Opening a word document..... Well I whent to the kitching to get me something to drink, so did not time it. But I had plenty of time.
So basic when people says it runs fine/great/perfect.
It also has a lot to say about what people exspet. And well some Windows users do not expect a lot from ther machine.
Vista compared to XP is really crap. XP is so much cheaper and more stable. Vista is way too expensive and so incompatible (but does have a nicer glossy interface). Anyway, those new ads are interesting but not attractive. Once again Microsoft shoot themselves in the foot.
Yeah im sure.... vista runs decently on a $399 laptop.... im sorry im sure your just gonna label me ignorant but I find that very hard to believe. Im not even like most people who hasn't used Vista... I promise you I've used vista more then I have wanted to.
YES vista will run with 2GB good enough for most people... the IE using grandma or the iTunes using teenage aint gonna care if tere is a 2-3 second wait every now and then. But someone who uses computers many hours a day (yeah call me a geek see if I care) I AM gonna care, and since that issue can be fixed with more ram, why not get more ram?
Interesting fact thats probably gonna annoy you... but I ahve Leopard running on my macbook with 2.0Ghz 1GB of ram.. and it runs pretty good. Only hardware issues I have with it, is I'd like to have a dedicated GPU but I guess I can live without, and 2GB of ram would be nice (im gonna upgrade that soon) Way I look at it (you can argue if you'd like... ) is
Leopard with 1 GB runs about as smoothly as Vista with 2GB
Leopard with 2Gb runs about as smoothly as Vista with 3GB.
So side-by-side comparison vista is a resource hog no debate.
I have to add that my only bad experience with Vista (apart from the sluggishness on Bootcamp), was installing it. I got many overlapping cryptic install windows, with little info on what each device was. The drivers tried to install in parallel, rather than in a sequential wizard approach.
This campaign does not show that side of it and yet it's very important.
This campaign does not show that side of it and yet it's very important.
Windows Vista is decent. An upgrade form XP for sure.
A lot of people (my dad included) have Vista machines that are too slow to run Vista. He has a Compaq laptop that has a nice Intel Dual Core processor. Vista chugs on it. His experience with Vista was negative.
I have an Intel CDuo 20" iMac. He used Vista on my machine and admitted it was similar to his XP powered desktop, in terms of speed. When I showed him what could be done with Vista and not XP, he agreed that Vista wasn't as bad as he thought. What does that tell you? A lot of people have Vista capable machines, that aren't meant to run Vista. Hence, the negative feedback.
My experience with Vista has been pretty good. For Windows, it's the best OS they've designed to date. With some tweaking, anything that annoys me about Vista can be disabled. Same goes with OSX, I have to tweak it to my personal settings upon installation.
Overall, Windows Vista is a decent upgrade for Windows users, but in terms of usability, is no where near OSX. For Joe Shmoe, he's much better off with a Mac. The biggest problem with Windows is its overall design. It's cluttered and not user friendly. Networking is a pain in my arse and spyware / malware are frustrating. Many Mac users who haven't used Windows in years would be MUCH happier than the "illegal operation" days of Windows. Microsoft has made their stuff pretty stable (assuming you're on well configured hardware...cough Nvidia cough). Same applies to Windows users. Most people remember OS9 or older. IMO, Macs sucked just as much as Windows back then. So Windows users still imagine OSX to be similar to what they remember from the 90's.
Stereotypes are bad, but they are reality. I have used XP / Vista / OSX and can say that each OS receives negative stereotypes. Use it before you abuse it.
A lot of people (my dad included) have Vista machines that are too slow to run Vista. He has a Compaq laptop that has a nice Intel Dual Core processor. Vista chugs on it. His experience with Vista was negative.
I have an Intel CDuo 20" iMac. He used Vista on my machine and admitted it was similar to his XP powered desktop, in terms of speed. When I showed him what could be done with Vista and not XP, he agreed that Vista wasn't as bad as he thought. What does that tell you? A lot of people have Vista capable machines, that aren't meant to run Vista. Hence, the negative feedback.
My experience with Vista has been pretty good. For Windows, it's the best OS they've designed to date. With some tweaking, anything that annoys me about Vista can be disabled. Same goes with OSX, I have to tweak it to my personal settings upon installation.
Overall, Windows Vista is a decent upgrade for Windows users, but in terms of usability, is no where near OSX. For Joe Shmoe, he's much better off with a Mac. The biggest problem with Windows is its overall design. It's cluttered and not user friendly. Networking is a pain in my arse and spyware / malware are frustrating. Many Mac users who haven't used Windows in years would be MUCH happier than the "illegal operation" days of Windows. Microsoft has made their stuff pretty stable (assuming you're on well configured hardware...cough Nvidia cough). Same applies to Windows users. Most people remember OS9 or older. IMO, Macs sucked just as much as Windows back then. So Windows users still imagine OSX to be similar to what they remember from the 90's.
Stereotypes are bad, but they are reality. I have used XP / Vista / OSX and can say that each OS receives negative stereotypes. Use it before you abuse it.
Funny thing, that you perfectly describe my 20"-iMac I use at work with a BootCamped Vista.
And on this fella Vista rocks. (yes, I bought Ultimate 64bit OEM - I wouldn't settle for less)
Nevertheless I had some crashes when using a DVB-T stick, but that's due to bad driver programming, and not, I repeat not, Vista's fault.
Else I had no crashes and habe run Vista >10 hrs. per day 6 days a week.
Bizarre advert.
I've used Vista rather a lot, and always thought it a smelly mound of donkey droppings.
Clearly I was wrong. Sorry Microsoft.
SL
I've used Vista rather a lot, and always thought it a smelly mound of donkey droppings.
Clearly I was wrong. Sorry Microsoft.
SL
One word, try for yourself. (actually, 3 words
)I don't even know how you do this comparison, what are the standard you use then? just subjective "good? bad? ok?"
$399 laptop, sure, maybe Apple's high priced product line gets you too much so you have doubt about cheap ones
My $399 laptop:
Acer Aspire 3680
1.6Ghz Celeron M
120GB HDD
512MB RAM (I updated it to 1G)
1280x768
GMA950
Its probably a refurbished product since I actually found out the HDD is 120GB (in specs, it should be 80GB)....