Ming-Chi Kuo Agrees iPhone 8 Will Launch in September With 'Severe' Shortages Due to Delayed Production

[SkippyThorson]

Please tell me or list companies that are "Pushing hardware" every single year in the cell phone industry? I would be interested in reading that. Hardware being rushed? How so? What hardware is being "Rushed" if you were referring to Apple? What has been abandoned? You have a lot of open ended remarks in your posts that don't explain much.

Second, you mentioned if Apple did a new iPhone every 18 months to two years, we would have better iPhones. Even if your theory was correct, you can't expect cell phones to have a groundbreaking features or technology that may not be ready for implementation. Cell phones take years of testing before the ready for development. Apple was likely working on the iPhone 7 when the iPhone 5s was released.

Tim Cook was quoted by the time a new product is released, Apple is already on development/working on a product two generations ahead of the current product. So technically, that would be a debunk your theory that Apple would be releasing better iPhones. It's just Apple is choosing to use certain technology versus what other manufacturers are releasing and we all know Apple is slower at releasing "Newer" features, but what the iPhone does, it does it well.

First off, settle down. You do know this is a Rumors site on the internet and not life and death, right?

The list of companies pushing hardware every single year leads off with Apple and Samsung... Do we not get new flagship smartphones every single year? I'm not sure why that was a question. Go down the line of top cellphone manufacturers if you must. You seem like a source guy? If you want the yearly iPhone or Galaxy, you can even head over to the manufacturer or carrier and sign up to get it on schedule! Surely, that qualifies as "every single year" to you. Or have I misinterpreted "yearly"?

There was considerable market pressure to get Sony to join the club along with LG, HTC, and others. Sony, at the very least, backed down at the very thought of the idea. They said 'no, you will get a handset when it's darn good and ready'. I admire that. A company only releasing a product at its completion? Novel, I say. Yes, you must be a source guy.

What has been abandoned? Wha..? Since you seem to be new around these parts, how about the white iPhone 4 for starters? Oh my word, oh are there sources. That was kind of a big deal. Apple presents the new iPhone 4, and then has to backtrack not once, but twice, with sources, that the white color just isn't ready. How many other things did we have rumored, which never saw the light of day? A search reveals seemingly limitless possibilities.

The headphone jack being abandoned in the 7 will forever be an irritant. It's then included in the new MacBooks (retina and Pro) and iPads... because somehow it's less advanced on a phone? The device in our pocket we carry around the most, which is supposed to do everything? Which is the same design as the 6S, no thinner, because thin-- wait, no, water-resistant-improvements were more important. Height, width, depth (can't say thinness) are all exactly the same across 6S/7 & 6S+/7+, only weight marginally changed, and yes, my goodness, source requirement fulfilled. Apple abandoned it not because it was old, dated, didn't work, they needed internal space (hell, they left mic port holes are fake where the 3.5mm jack was), no they abandoned it because they couldn't get the jack to resist water penetration, my friend.

You can bet this little gem of a patent, sourced, is what those fake port-hole-speaker-vent-things at the bottom left of your phone are planned for. I can see it. The next (and final) port on the phone is certainly going under scrutiny. You buy a $2700 MacBook Pro, and a $1000 iPhone 7+, and neither one comes with the cable to connect it to the other (USB-C to Lightning)? Not a stupid mistake.

Finally, you can't tell me that all other products haven't taken a back seat to the iPhone team. Even OS X folks were pulled to iOS, sourced, when Scott Forstall was ousted and the Jony Ive iOS makeover was on the horizon. There was not a chance Apple would let the iPhone or iOS miss the beloved yearly release schedule. They sacrificed the Mac for the iPhone in that instance; no question.

Tell me, if Apple is working 2 years ahead (Steve actually was quoted in as saying there was a 4 year product pipeline set up from 2011; Tim's Apple is is only half as ahead) - then I am curious to know how the new MacBook Pros have been so troublesome, how the iPhone 6+ bent like a cheap spoon (touch-disease apparent across the 6-series), and the desktop got forgotten, all seemingly with no one caring until they all became problems? The only legit, surprise, out-of-nowhere, leak-free announcement was the Retina MacBook in 2015. Kind of lines up with that 4-year pipeline to launch the USB-C party.

I could digress or continue, but I'm not sure I'd be answering anything that you couldn't just find out for yourself with a little effort.

 

[Glideslope]

The issue with the new phone and supply constraints is the OLED people. While fabricated by Samsung it is not a Samsung Design OLED. While production of OLED Displays is maxed in general, it becomes more constrained when a manufacturer is required to implement new production recipes.

So, don't focus so much on how much OLED production is available globally. Focus on who has the ability to fabricate an OLED to Apple's Design Specs. Look at Apple's work on Mico-OLED.

 

[marty1980]

I dunno man, I get the impression from reviews that it's going to do exactly that - bezels will start to seem old fashioned and undesirable. If Samsung's 7S competitor has edge to edge, and Apple's top end offering has edge to edge, suddenly the 7S without edge to edge looks naff.

This is a perfect example of what I mean by falling for the marketing and the trends.

Is it out of the realm of possibility that someone could come up with a phone that still has bezels but competes in design with a bezel-less device?

Does it occur to anyone that there are people out there who appreciate the bezels for whatever reason?

I seem to remember people claiming that nobody wants an outdated iPhone 5-style, 4" phone. And for a time we didn't have that design. But here we are now with the SE being one of the best selling iPhones using what purists would consider an outdated design.

 

[PipSeg]

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[macduke]

New phone in limited supply is only going to sell as well as Apple can make them. For those that can't get one it will just frustrate them -- many to the point of forgoing the upgrade and waiting until next year. Those are called lost sales. When a customer comes waiving their $ the store wants to take it, not in a month, but right then and their because who knows if the customer will even have the $ in a month or have it earmarked for something else.

What people of your thought don't realize is not that Apple sells a lot of product but that it leaves a lot of unmade sales on the table because of their announcing product even when they know they don't have parts supply to mean even a fraction of demand.

As for discounting the 7, Apple doesn't need a new phone to do that. It can lower prices any time it likes.

Yeah but many consumers nowadays are informed and know that a new iPhone is coming so they just wait. If Apple misses a holiday quarter with no new iPhone, not only will their sales suffer, but their stock will also take a huge hit. They have to release a new iPhone before the holidays. They might have constrained sales at first, but that's usually taken care of by the holidays. Sales always trail off in August and early September. Do you think sales will just go up around the time of year that Apple would announce something new, even if they don't? It's the new products that drives sales. Limited sales of a new product is better than people not buying (and potentially going elsewhere) because there's only an outdated phone available. For instance, say that only 50% of people who want an iPhone are able to get one. But 70% of users are waiting to buy a new iPhone, and the other 30% don't care if it's new or not. If you don't put out a new iPhone, you have 70% of users who aren't buying and possibly going to Android. If you put out a new iPhone, you have 50% of people getting a new iPhone, the rest getting whatever is left, and 20% who aren't getting anything. I have to imagine that their customer fulfillment is higher than 50% within a reasonable time frame, and I also have to imagine that more people than not want a new iPhone vs. an old iPhone by just looking at yearly sales figures. So you end up with some customers not getting the iPhone they want, but you end up with more happy customers and sales if you ship something. The only way this isn't true is if Apple is only covering a small percentage of potential iPhone sales, and I can't imagine it's that bad. I've never gotten an iPhone not on it's launch day, and I've owned every generation except 5s. The people who really care about getting it right away generally get it within the first couple weeks. The rest don't care but want a new iPhone before Christmas.

 

[44267547]

i am in no hurry, i am fully satisfied with my iPhone 7 Plus
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Don't you think it's rather difficult to be in a "Hurry" for a product that's not even released or available for resale yet? I don't necessarily think one has to be satisfied with their iPhone to appease to rumors, but also believing in every rumor doesn't necessarily make the next iPhone come true either. But this next iPhone "Will be back with fully energy."

 

[StyxMaker]

True of any product. But sales show no one wants buy a product when its at its dusk. That is why companies, not just Apple, don't let on a new product is ready until it is. It's the old Osborne effect. It's harder for Apple because everyone knows it's product cycle, but they don't know the details of the new iPhone and whether it's upgrade worthy.

The discussions about iPhones, there is no secret about when iPhones are being released. This article is about the release date for an hypothetical product.

 

[44267547]

First off, settle down. You do know this is a Rumors site on the internet and not life and death, right?

The list of companies pushing hardware every single year leads off with Apple and Samsung... Do we not get new flagship smartphones every single year? I'm not sure why that was a question. Go down the line of top cellphone manufacturers if you must. You seem like a source guy? If you want the yearly iPhone or Galaxy, you can even head over to the manufacturer or carrier and sign up to get it on schedule! Surely, that qualifies as "every single year" to you. Or have I misinterpreted "yearly"?

There was considerable market pressure to get Sony to join the club along with LG, HTC, and others. Sony, at the very least, backed down at the very thought of the idea. They said 'no, you will get a handset when it's darn good and ready'. I admire that. A company only releasing a product at its completion? Novel, I say. Yes, you must be a source guy.

What has been abandoned? Wha..? Since you seem to be new around these parts, how about the white iPhone 4 for starters? Oh my word, oh are there sources. That was kind of a big deal. Apple presents the new iPhone 4, and then has to backtrack not once, but twice, with sources, that the white color just isn't ready. How many other things did we have rumored, which never saw the light of day? A search reveals seemingly limitless possibilities.

The headphone jack being abandoned in the 7 will forever be an irritant. It's then included in the new MacBooks (retina and Pro) and iPads... because somehow it's less advanced on a phone? The device in our pocket we carry around the most, which is supposed to do everything? Which is the same design as the 6S, no thinner, because thin-- wait, no, water-resistant-improvements were more important. Height, width, depth (can't say thinness) are all exactly the same across 6S/7 & 6S+/7+, only weight marginally changed, and yes, my goodness, source requirement fulfilled. Apple abandoned it not because it was old, dated, didn't work, they needed internal space (hell, they left mic port holes are fake where the 3.5mm jack was), no they abandoned it because they couldn't get the jack to resist water penetration, my friend.

You can bet this little gem of a patent, sourced, is what those fake port-hole-speaker-vent-things at the bottom left of your phone are planned for. I can see it. The next (and final) port on the phone is certainly going under scrutiny. You buy a $2700 MacBook Pro, and a $1000 iPhone 7+, and neither one comes with the cable to connect it to the other (USB-C to Lightning)? Not a stupid mistake.

Finally, you can't tell me that all other products haven't taken a back seat to the iPhone team. Even OS X folks were pulled to iOS, sourced, when Scott Forstall was ousted and the Jony Ive iOS makeover was on the horizon. There was not a chance Apple would let the iPhone or iOS miss the beloved yearly release schedule. They sacrificed the Mac for the iPhone in that instance; no question.

Tell me, if Apple is working 2 years ahead (Steve actually was quoted in as saying there was a 4 year product pipeline set up from 2011; Tim's Apple is is only half as ahead) - then I am curious to know how the new MacBook Pros have been so troublesome, how the iPhone 6+ bent like a cheap spoon (touch-disease apparent across the 6-series), and the desktop got forgotten, all seemingly with no one caring until they all became problems? The only legit, surprise, out-of-nowhere, leak-free announcement was the Retina MacBook in 2015. Kind of lines up with that 4-year pipeline to launch the USB-C party.

I could digress or continue, but I'm not sure I'd be answering anything that you couldn't just find out for yourself with a little effort.

@SkippyThorson.

First, skip the semantics with telling other forum member to settle down or stating " My Friend." That's unnecessary and not relevant to discussion.

Aside from that, your post is quite the deflection. You didn't even answer half the questions I asked you, let alone going off on track completely, which answers hardly anything.

For starters, I asked you what phone manufacturers are pushing groundbreaking features, then you replied by going down the list of cell phone manufacturers? That doesn't answer my question at all. Again, I ask you what cell phone manufacturers are "Pushing the boundaries?" Are you even consider pushing? None of these phones on the market are that advanced or implementing features that are considered "Groundbreaking. "

And you're bringing up the white iPhone 4 because why? What does that have to do with anything, that was years ago and was one issue for availability. Seriously, who cares about that. What Does that have anything to do with Sony or HTC, who see not even relevant in the cell phone market compared to Apple OR Samsung. You could have at least provided better sources or examples for two non-existent competitors.

You Also failed to answer what products are being "Rushed" by the manufacturers that you were quoted on. Care to elaborate on that for a second time? And you also never answered what's considered being "Abandoned? " if you're referring to the headphone jack, that was an abandoned, that was deleted by Apple in order to make way for the AirPods and where Bluetooth is ultimately leading. There is a difference. It makes it very difficult to have a discussion if you go off on a tangent without answering questions that were asked upon you.

Speaking of the headphone jack, and since you like to provide "Sources." Show me a verified source where it says that Apple deleted the jack because they couldn't obtain a water resistance rating? And if that's your argument and case, then explain to me how Samsung was able to retain the water resistance rating they have with the included 3.5 mm Jack. I think you're making anecdotal assumptions.

And you're incorrect, the speaker grills actually house a second speaker for the stereo speakers and microphone for the iPhone, which have four total. They do serve a purpose. So that the debunks your point on those "Fake port hole speaker hole things" or commonly known as speaker grills for reference.

http://apple.stackexchange.com/questions/251930/wheres-iphone-7-microphone-located


And another noted deflection, is you're referring to Forstall/Mac lineup, when I'm discussing the iPhone, I'm not interested in discussing the Mac line up with you. So that has no Relevance in this discussion.

And as far as your concerns with the iPhone 6s Plus bending, they rectified that using the 7000 series aluminum with the 6s/iPhone 7. Also, the touch disease has a recall which has been remedied. Again, you're post is debunked with both of these equations.

And What, other cell phone manufacturers haven't had issues with their phones? Like Samsung with exploding batteries? When an item is mass produced, it's likely going to have issues, but it's about how the manufacture addresses the issues. Which Apple did in both of those examples you listed.

http://money.cnn.com/2016/11/18/technology/apple-repair-touch-disease-problem/

https://www.google.com/amp/mashable.com/2016/09/07/apple-iphone-7-hands-on.amp


And of course the iPhone has a priority placement over the Mac lineup. It's 70% of Apples' net revenue and is one of the reasons the company is worth 43 billion.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/9to5ma...s-devices-shipped-apple-pay-china-growth/amp/


And yes, I am a "Source guy", it makes for a legitimate discussion. At least my sources are verified where you're providing sources that have zero relevance to this thread (Which this a discussion about the iPhone, not the Mac)and you're trying to bury me with semantics over dated issues that have been rectified, let alone providing examples of cell phone manufacturers that are not even relevant or competitive in the mobile phone market. If you're going to reply to this post, at least answer the questions that were posed to you from the first post AND this post, without trying to Post with irrelevant filler topics. Furthermore, I would check your sources before you post them, some of your articles are dated 3 to 4 years ago that contribute nothing to pertinent to this discussion.

 

[Gameboy70]

I find it a bit funny that there is all this supposed demand for frameless screens on smartphones. It may be a "cool" feature, but I just don't see the functional benefit of such a design, especially for small handheld devices like the iPhone. I actually think the frameless screen works best on desktop and laptop devices, where something other than your hands / fingers are holding the screen.

It could be beneficial for iPads as well, but as soon as you have to hold onto the device, you'll have fingers or your palm touching or covering some of the screen.

I think people have this thing for wanting something they've seen in movies (frameless floating screens), but in reality it's not providing some "have to have" benefit to the user experience.

On the iPad it's just an aesthetic preference. On the iPhone it's an ergonomic issue. The top and bottom bezels make the footprint of their phablets ridiculously large compared to most Android phones with similar screen sizes. When the iPhone 6+ was launched, I returned it after a week—I couldn't stand walking around with a brick in my pocket, and the higher center of gravity made it more drop prone for one-hand usage.

 

[SkippyThorson]

Please tell me or list companies that are "Pushing hardware" every single year in the cell phone industry? I would be interested in reading that. Hardware being rushed? How so? What hardware is being "Rushed" if you were referring to Apple? What has been abandoned? You have a lot of open ended remarks in your posts that don't explain much.

Second, you mentioned if Apple did a new iPhone every 18 months to two years, we would have better iPhones. Even if your theory was correct, you can't expect cell phones to have a groundbreaking features or technology that may not be ready for implementation. Cell phones take years of testing before the ready for development. Apple was likely working on the iPhone 7 when the iPhone 5s was released.

Tim Cook was quoted by the time a new product is released, Apple is already on development/working on a product two generations ahead of the current product. So technically, that would be a debunk your theory that Apple would be releasing better iPhones. It's just Apple is choosing to use certain technology versus what other manufacturers are releasing and we all know Apple is slower at releasing "Newer" features, but what the iPhone does, it does it well.

@SkippyThorson.

First, skip the semantics with telling other forum member to settle down or stating " My Friend." That's unnecessary and not relevant to discussion.

I'm going to take selections of your post and break it down and call it a night. You seem edgy; not wanting legitimate debate - you didn't read half of what I posted. Instead, you want conflict. I don't have time for this. I never called you my friend. I wouldn't be so crass.

Aside from that, your post is quite the deflection. You didn't even answer half the questions I asked you, let alone going off on track completely, which answers hardly anything.

I answered you clearly, but I'll humor you...

For starters, I asked you what phone manufacturers are pushing groundbreaking features, then you replied by going down the list of cell phone manufacturers? That doesn't answer my question at all. Again, I ask you what sofa manufacturers are "Pushing the boundaries?" Are you even consider pushing? None of these phones on the market are that advanced or implementing features that are considered "Groundbreaking. "

You actually said...

Please tell me or list companies that are "Pushing hardware" every single year in the cell phone industry? I would be interested in reading that.

...and I answered that specifically. Now you change it and say you want to know what manufacturers push groundbreaking features? Ok, change what you said. Your new argument is subject to marketing. Everything is groundbreaking. Otherwise it wouldn't be worth selling. Apple and Samsung, ideally, literally release their top-of-the-line, flagship phone, every single year, like clockwork. Again. You seem to not understand yearly.

And you're bringing up the white iPhone 4 because why? What does that have to do with anything, that was years ago and was one issue for availability. Seriously, who cares about that. What Does that have anything to do with Sony or HTC, who see not even relevant in the cell phone market compared to Apple OR Samsung. You could have at least provided better sources or examples for two non-existent competitors.

Because you asked me...

Hardware being rushed? How so? What hardware is being "Rushed" if you were referring to Apple?

...and the best example of that is the white iPhone 4 double-delay. You chose to be completely obtuse and ignore that I directly answered your question. Maybe you didn't bet on my having an answer? I just don't know.

You Also failed to answer what products are being "Rushed" by the manufacturers that you were quoted on. Care to elaborate on that for a second time? And you also never answered what's considered being "Abandoned? " if you're referring to the headphone jack, that was an abandoned, that was deleted by Apple in order to make way for the AirPods and where Bluetooth is ultimately leading. There is a difference. It makes it very difficult to have a discussion if you go off on a tangent without answering questions that were asked upon you.

...So Apple keeping the headphone jack on computers but not the iPhone isn't abandoning the headphone jack on the iPhone how? I don't understand your logic here at all, but again, I'll continue.

Speaking of the headphone jack, and since you like to provide "Sources." Show me a verified source where it says that Apple deleted the jack because they couldn't obtain a water resistance rating? And if that's your argument and case, then explain to me how Samsung was able to retain the water resistance rating they have with the included 3.5 mm Jack. I think you're making anecdotal assumptions.

You're going to drag me down here, but whaattt????? Do you read this site, or just go off of that "alternative facts" way of life? HOW ABOUT RIGHT HERE, and I'll quote because you don't read links for yourself apparently...
"When the headphone jack was removed, Apple realized it was easier to install the new Taptic Engine for the pressure-sensitive Home button, implement a bigger battery, and reach an IP7 water resistance rating, so the elimination of the headphone jack became essential for all of the other features in the iPhone 7."
...but since you knew all about ratings systems, you must have already known that; just chose not to acknowledge it for convenience sake of your own argument.

And you're incorrect, the speaker grills actually house a second speaker for the stereo speakers and microphone for the iPhone, which have four total. They do serve a purpose. So that the debunks your point on those "Fake port hole speaker hole things" or commonly known as speaker grills for reference.
http://apple.stackexchange.com/questions/251930/wheres-iphone-7-microphone-located

Now you're really losing me. I'm not sure that's coherent English, but the speaker grills house a second speaker for the stereo speakers which have 4 total. That's what you said. I condensed it. There are not 4 microphones OR speakers in the iPhone. One speaker is in the bottom right, one speaker is behind the larger earpiece opening. Total of 2. Built in mic at the bottom, noise canceling mic on the back. Total of 2. 4 total speakers? You'e off your rocker. Check that "sourced diagram" you found; which is just Apple's comparison page. Deep research going on there.

And another is noted deflection, is you're referring to Forstall/Mac lineup, when I'm discussing the iPhone, I'm not interested in discussing the Mac line up with you. So that has no Relevance in this discussion.

Did you stick your tongue out at me as you wrote that, too? Your essay is de-railing here, but I'll keep going.

And as far as your concerns with the iPhone 6s Plus bending, they rectified that using the 7000 series aluminum with the 6s/iPhone 7. Also, the touch disease has a recall which has been remedied. Again, you're post is debunked with both of these equations.

And What, other cell phone manufacturers haven't had issues with their phones? Like Samsung with exploding batteries? When an item is mass produced, it's likely going to have issues, but it's about how the manufacture addresses the issues. Which Apple did in both of those examples you listed.
http://money.cnn.com/2016/11/18/technology/apple-repair-touch-disease-problem/
https://www.google.com/amp/mashable.com/2016/09/07/apple-iphone-7-hands-on.amp

Everyone addresses their issues. They have to. It's called business. Or then it would be called lawsuits. My point was that these high-profile issues happened in the first place, but you don't like to digress, so...

And of course the iPhone has a priority placement over the Mac lineup. It's 70% of Apples' net revenue and is one of the reasons the company is worth 43 billion.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/9to5ma...s-devices-shipped-apple-pay-china-growth/amp/

Um, ok, you found some revenue stats... ? Sure. Call me out for digressing, but swing from left field yourself.

And yes, I am a "Source guy", it makes for a legitimate discussion. At least my sources are verified where you're providing sources that have zero relevance to this thread (Which this a discussion about the iPhone, not the Mac)and you're trying to bury me with semantics over dated issues that have been rectified, let alone providing examples of cell phone manufacturers that are not even relevant or competitive in the mobile phone market. If you're going to reply to this post, at least answer the questions that were posed to you from the first post AND this post, without trying to Post with irrelevant filler topics. Furthermore, I would check your sources before you post them, some of your articles are dated 3 to 4 years ago that contribute nothing to pertinent to this discussion.

No, no you're not a source guy. You're argumentative, and there's a reason my posts get likes around here and your posts get rhetoric in response. It's because of the arrogant nature in the way you present yourself. My first sentence to you still stands - chill; it's the internet. This is a light, civil debate. You take it too far, and no, you don't present sources or facts. You argue. You share some meaningless links. You ask a question, and don't admit when it was answered. You come back swinging like it shouldn't have been answered; like it couldn't have been, and opposition is wrong. The links I posted directly backed up what I said, which were answers to what you asked. Furthermore, grab a stiff drink. Lighten up. Do more research. Use spell-check. Some of what you wrote above sounded like it came from an entitled 10-year-old. Legitimate discussion, my left foot - you're looking for a fight. Get out of here.