I hope not! My iPhone 5s needs a replacement, and I don't want to have a large phone nor spend 1160+ euro.
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Ming-Chi Kuo Casts Doubt on iPhone SE 2, Expects Few Changes Should New Model Launch
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The same SE screen and form, tho I love the form, with a new SoC drop in wouldn’t cut it for me
I’d stick with my trusty se1
It needs more than that
I’d stick with my trusty se1
It needs more than that
Correct me if I'm wrong, but every iPhone since, well, ever has had a great slab of glass on the front called the screen...
Glass doesn't spontaneously break, and to say Apple use it so it breaks and people buy new products is an odd criticism to levy against them.
I have friends who have the original IPhone SE that are looking for an upgrade. Apple’s current lineup and prices are beyond what they want or can pay. If this is true then they will probably move to Android.
I don't know where your hate is coming from, but from my memory this guy definitely has scored much higher than 5%. Perhaps, you should look up all his analysis and make a statistics if you think he's less than 5% correct? Last year, he correctly predicted iPhone X (he called it "8" at the time) will completely remove Touch ID and feature a bezel-less display. Older statistics, if you are being lazy, could be found in the links below:
https://www.cultofmac.com/273923/ming-chi-kuo/
https://www.ped30.com/2016/04/24/apple-ming-chi-kuo-truthiness/
You have to give it to Ming-Chi Kuo though-he has a job that I think a lot of us Apple fans who are also involved in the data/economic analysis parts of the workforce would envy. Researching and writing about Apple, and I’m assuming, making a large amount of money doing so
This is my (similar) feeling of all iPhones from the last few years; they haven’t solved any problems. Or, all my previous problems are solved. I’m not sure which. I would love to get an 8 but rational thought stops me.
The Watch is where my excitement’s at.
The iPhone SE has nothing to do with the iPhone X. It was offered long before the iPhone X was even announced and it's meant to serve as an entry-level iPhone with a small form factor for those who want that specific phone. And it was meant for India's market as well. So it serves it's purpose even if it's not updated.
I prefer smaller form factor phones. When my SE dies and I am forced to get a new phone, I won't be staying with Apple if there is no upgraded SE or another phone with a similar size. I've used iOS for almost 10 years, and the smaller SE is the only thing keeping me right now. If I am forced to get a larger phone, that'll be motivation to get rid of Apple.
Kind of a fair point. Why dedicated resources to a phone from 6-7 years ago? I would just keep selling it as is for another year.
They’re already producing the original SE, couldn’t they just replace it? Anyway, things are getting too fragmented.
I suspect Apple's goal is to shift from having "trickle-down" features where the last year's model becomes a cheaper model and the latest year's model has the newest tech, to one where they have two buckets:
"iPhone"
iPhone optimized for mass production and competitive price with other mid-tier phone offerings. Available in small, medium, and large sizes (roughly along the current horizontal dimensions of the SE, 8 and 8+ in portrait orientation)
The small size will be updated somewhat irregularly due to the need of also scaling down technologies to fit, but it is fairly differentiated in the market and liked, so I see them continuing to devote resources to this size.
I actually expect prices of the medium and large sizes to come down over time as part of this change.
"iPhone Premium"
iPhone designs focusing on higher end parts and new technologies, including parts that they may not be able to scale to the same production levels as the iPhone line. Available in medium and large sizes. No small size due to the additional challenges of getting the same technologies in a small package.
The pricing of the premium phone may vary year to year, depending on the production, R&D and patent licensing costs.
I don't know what the name of this would be - I suspect the "iPhone X" was a nod to the 10th anniversary of the iPhone, but may also mean Apple doesn't know how to differentiate the names yet either.
How this affects release cycles
The future iPhone releases will likely be closer to the iPhone SE. With less new manufacturing changes landing on the mass production model, they will lose some of the operational benefits of continuing to sell previous year's models at a discounted price. With a strategy of lowering the iPhone price and using the premium line as a way to get higher profit margins and per-unit profit, they won't need to have the tiered models as well.
Instead, I expect them to drain the sales channel of the previous year's models in most markets and only offer the newest models. They may continue to manufacture and sell the phones in secondary markets where even the base iPhone price is likely too high for mass appeal, as well as offer the previous models directly.
"iPhone"
iPhone optimized for mass production and competitive price with other mid-tier phone offerings. Available in small, medium, and large sizes (roughly along the current horizontal dimensions of the SE, 8 and 8+ in portrait orientation)
The small size will be updated somewhat irregularly due to the need of also scaling down technologies to fit, but it is fairly differentiated in the market and liked, so I see them continuing to devote resources to this size.
I actually expect prices of the medium and large sizes to come down over time as part of this change.
"iPhone Premium"
iPhone designs focusing on higher end parts and new technologies, including parts that they may not be able to scale to the same production levels as the iPhone line. Available in medium and large sizes. No small size due to the additional challenges of getting the same technologies in a small package.
The pricing of the premium phone may vary year to year, depending on the production, R&D and patent licensing costs.
I don't know what the name of this would be - I suspect the "iPhone X" was a nod to the 10th anniversary of the iPhone, but may also mean Apple doesn't know how to differentiate the names yet either.
How this affects release cycles
The future iPhone releases will likely be closer to the iPhone SE. With less new manufacturing changes landing on the mass production model, they will lose some of the operational benefits of continuing to sell previous year's models at a discounted price. With a strategy of lowering the iPhone price and using the premium line as a way to get higher profit margins and per-unit profit, they won't need to have the tiered models as well.
Instead, I expect them to drain the sales channel of the previous year's models in most markets and only offer the newest models. They may continue to manufacture and sell the phones in secondary markets where even the base iPhone price is likely too high for mass appeal, as well as offer the previous models directly.
Give me better processor, 64 and 256 option, possibly better Camera and water resistance (not a deal breaker), same form factor and low price point. I am in.
Not happy about Q2 instead of Q1. My 6s plus is rapidly declining by the day. Not sure what I will do between now and June if she dies. X no, 8 no and 7 no. SE or bust!
Not happy about Q2 instead of Q1. My 6s plus is rapidly declining by the day. Not sure what I will do between now and June if she dies. X no, 8 no and 7 no. SE or bust!
The iPhone SE is Apple's best phone (Great size, great price, headphone jack, etc.) and I certainly hope that if it's "updated" not much changes.
Apple phoning it in and selling old crap for another year?
Checks out.
Checks out.
I am pretty sure the SE that gets made in India gets sold only in India. Rest of the world is still served out of China? Considering in India SE starts off at 32 GB and not 64 GB as in US. And if it's about expanding factories... India would love increased manufacturing capacity I am sure.
Though the issue pointed out in the article is about designing resources. A significantly refurbished SE, with similar size, and new internals for 3D touch, FaceID, etc... would require a complete design rehaul.
I wanted to wait for the SE2. Back in the fall, the thought was a March-ish release. I got impatient and purchased the X, which I got subsidized through Sprint somehow. My 5S is my favorite iPhone ever. What I would love is a 4.3 inch screen in the SE body with upgraded internals. That would be *my* perfect phone.
You'd also lose all of us who just want a phone small enough to use with one hand!
Agreed on every front. Though the screen size of 6(s) is the sweet spot for me (with the overall phone being too large already) given a choice between a 350 dollar SE2 with the updates you mentioned, and a 1000 dollar X2, I would go for SE2. I am sure I am not the only one. In that regards, the 700 dollar LCD version of X is a good middle ground.
New SE may or may not exist, may or may not launch, and may or may not be different
Analyst me up people.
Analyst me up people.
Kuo believes Apple doesn't have enough spare development resources to focus on launching another iPhone, with three new models already in the pipeline, including a second-generation iPhone X with a "much different" internal design, a larger 6.5-inch version dubbed iPhone X Plus, and a lower-priced 6.1-inch iPhone with Face ID but design compromises like an LCD screen.
An excerpt from the research note, obtained by MacRumors, edited slightly for clarity:The announcement of three new iPhone models in the same quarter in the second half of 2017 was the first time Apple made such a major endeavor, and we believe the delay of iPhone X, which had the most complicated design yet, shows that Apple doesn't have enough resources available for development. […]
With three new models in the pipeline for the second half of 2018, we believe Apple may have used up its development resources. Also, we think the firm will do all it can to avoid repeating the mistake of a shipment delay for the three new models. As such, we believe Apple is unlikely to have enough spare resources to develop a new iPhone model for launch in 2Q18
I literally laughed for a minute when I read this, what he is saying, is that Apple, with all its endless billions and billions and billions in cash, more then some countries, and its thousands of workers around the globe are, incapable, of designing more then 2 or 3 phones at a time...
Bbbbwwwwaaahhahahahahahahah
Why would anyone invest in a company like this? Meanwhile other companies with a lot less money and resources are MORE then capable of knocking out a few new phones every month...
If this is true it will not be down to Apples lack of resources, mearly it’s business plan to refuse to spend the money on development, another sign of its sheer greed.
An excerpt from the research note, obtained by MacRumors, edited slightly for clarity:The announcement of three new iPhone models in the same quarter in the second half of 2017 was the first time Apple made such a major endeavor, and we believe the delay of iPhone X, which had the most complicated design yet, shows that Apple doesn't have enough resources available for development. […]
With three new models in the pipeline for the second half of 2018, we believe Apple may have used up its development resources. Also, we think the firm will do all it can to avoid repeating the mistake of a shipment delay for the three new models. As such, we believe Apple is unlikely to have enough spare resources to develop a new iPhone model for launch in 2Q18
I literally laughed for a minute when I read this, what he is saying, is that Apple, with all its endless billions and billions and billions in cash, more then some countries, and its thousands of workers around the globe are, incapable, of designing more then 2 or 3 phones at a time...
Bbbbwwwwaaahhahahahahahahah
Why would anyone invest in a company like this? Meanwhile other companies with a lot less money and resources are MORE then capable of knocking out a few new phones every month...
If this is true it will not be down to Apples lack of resources, mearly it’s business plan to refuse to spend the money on development, another sign of its sheer greed.
The SE is already on the level of the iPhone 6s, just one notch behind the 7. It would be silly to update an already long-in-the-tooth phone just to give it a slightly-less-old chip.