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Comparable? In the UK the Google flagship phone is £639 at the moment. XS is £999.

The phone in discussion isn’t $639, and nor is that reflective of Googles ‘flagship’ phone, the Pixel 3 XL, which verges on $899/$999 is and it’s their latest device comparable to the XS Max and Note 9.
 
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Why would anyone go for LCD when OLED is available? The XR is redundant. I am not expecting Apple to introduce its new upgraded version next year.
Bean counters who are more worried about their Aladdins cave than giving customers a good deal.
I have noticed that my XR acts like a pocket warmer. Doesn't bode well for battery longevity - I see another battery programme on the horizon in 2 years time.
 
The display on XS looks so much better to the point I would pay the $200. The display is the component you are going to be looking at all day. XR has a lower PPI than the 8 Plus it replaces and wont be as sharp.

I hate to say this and I felt the same way at first, but this is the furthest thing from the truth.

I have owned EVERY iPhone since it’s inception. Including the 5C and The XS Max as well as the XS and The Xʀ.

I am NOW using the Xʀ as my daily driver and will NOT go back. It’s the sweet spot as far as size goes. When put up next to each other the differences are almost indistinguishable. I understand where this “complaint” comes from but it truly is a moot point. I could use any of the 3 new iPhones as my daily driver and I always use this Xʀ. Truth be told the XS Max will probably be sold very soon.
 
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I read someone saying Apple should have stayed with an original iPhone design option (8 / 8 Plus) for another year (9 / 9 Plus) because there is a big chunk of the market that want their old iPhone and doesn't want a different looking X and the relearning that goes with UI change (no matter how small that is).

(Where's my battery percentage? How do I unload power hungry apps, I used to double click the home button? ApplePay is how? How do I go back to my main screen display, from a secondary screen of apps, it was just a single push of the home button before? etc.)

Since the Xr is cheaper than the 8 Plus was in the U.S. (the cost isn't higher), its hard to see a (potential) 20% drop in sales as anything but a repudiation by a significant chunk of their customer base of the forced change in design and how the UI works of the X series on the customer.
A few things I have noticed on my XR is that the phone is fussy over the angle you can use face unlock.
Also cannot unlock in horizontal mode only portrait.
I find the gestures slower overall than having a home button.
Buttons are good, I just played with the side power button and noticed that 3 clicks brings up the magnifier - neat.
I also wish that there was a mode to unlock the phone without swiping up.
Come on Apple give people choices.
 
When I went to my local Apple Store, even the assistant referred to the XR as the XS’s “chubby ugly younger brother” and to fair she was right.

If it was the same size as an XS/X - I think it would have sold a little better.

The fact that an Apple store has an incompetent sales rep is proof of nothing.
 
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The phone in discussion isn’t $639, and nor is that reflective of Googles ‘flagship’ phone, the Pixel 3 XL, which verges on $899/$999 is and it’s their latest device comparable to the XS and Note 9.

Pixel 3XL is £769 and should be compared with the XS max which starts at £1099. Pixel 3 is a flagship phone, just like the XS is.
 
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A few things I have noticed on my XR is that the phone is fussy over the angle you can use face unlock.
Yes, it’s a little fussy, but sometimes so was Touch ID.
Also cannot unlock in horizontal mode only portrait.
This doesn’t bother me.
I find the gestures slower overall than having a home button.
Some things are faster, to me.
Buttons are good, I just played with the side power button and noticed that 3 clicks brings up the magnifier - neat.
I also wish that there was a mode to unlock the phone without swiping up.
Come on Apple give people choices.
Not swiping up to unlock means you can look at notifications easily and then relock the phone. Pros and cons I guess.
 
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Regardless of the dip in sales, the numbers are still staggering.

Held onto my 8 plus - I enjoy the home button too much and have tried a friend’s X and it felt cumbersome without the button. I know I’m in the minority. Guess I don’t like too much change!
 
...I literally just posted that to you, not sure why you’re reiterating something that was already confirmed:

You literally just stated that the Pixel 3XL was Google's flagship phone, implying that the Pixel 3 isn't. Maybe you are confused by the UK pricing. £639 and £999 are comparable, technically, but they are very different numbers, going back to your original post.
 
I don't understand why the Xr is considered too expensive. Last year, Apple sold the iPhone 8 plus for $799 at launch. The Xr seems to be a better deal for $749 at launch.....bigger screen in a smaller footprint, Face ID, A12 Bionic, more color options.....etc.

Maybe it is because people are comparing the Xr to prior Apple "economy" devices, like the iPhone 5c. But in terms of product positioning, I don't think Apple ever expected the Xr to sell to the same target market as the 5c.

Based on what Apple said at the Keynote, they are trying to offer most of the new technology features of the Xs/Xs-max in the lower cost and less premium package of the Xr. I think Apple is well aware of the fact that there are cheaper alternatives. The Xr is not Apple's response to the low cost competitors. The older iPhones (8, 7, 6s) are Apple's low cost offerings. I guess what has people worked up is that Apple no longer offers a new low cost option.....SE, 5C, etc.

You’re onto something here. This sounds more like a marketing communication problem than a product problem.
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Alot of it has to do with people stuck on the resolution of the screen on the Xr not being at least Full HD. Alot of the android offerings are priced similar if not more than the Xr. Yet the Xr will smoke all of them in processor performance and will stand its own with picture quality.

I don't see people raising fuss over the price of the Pixel 3.

https://www.tomsguide.com/us/pixel-3-vs-iphone-xr,review-5838.html

Exactly. you can’t even tell that the Galaxy S9 is higher res unless you look at it an inch away from your face. And nobody does that.
 
You literally just stated that the Pixel 3XL was Google's flagship phone, implying that the Pixel 3 isn't.

No need to be so presumptuous. I never implied the Pixel 3 isn’t a ‘flagship.’ I compared the XL, being it’s a direct competitor to the XS Max and Note 9. I don’t care about The UK pricing, I’m referring to the iPhone being blamed for price inflation as a whole, when it’s competitors are charging relative prices in comparison. You can’t expect someone be self aware of smart phone pricing around the world. The context of my post was the major competitors against Apple are not far off in price. Please, if you respond, take the time to read the original post I responded to the other member. It would make for a more useful discussion versus ‘U.K. pricing.’
 
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Funny thought.

Given that the entire market is down with Amazon and Microsoft shares down more than Apple, should we conclude that Amazon and Microsoft shares have dropped as well after influential analyst slashes his iPhone estimate?
 
That’s correct it is not a valid comparison, imo. The max is value priced, which is not the same as “raising prices”. What do you think the case max 512 gb ought to sell for? Just curious.


Okay. Apple raised prices in their computer line but not the phone line.
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And if price is your main concern or priority, one would automatically rule out an apple product.
I don’t think I could accurately price the xs max 512 GB(or any phone for that matter, I don’t have a clue how much apple spends in materials, manufacturing and r&d) but the price in europe is almost 1.900$. That’s not a price I would pay for a phone, no matter how fast it is.

The thing is, I switched from android to iphone, and now I wouldn’t like to go back to android, but I don’t want to feel ripped off either. Same thing with computers. I own a 2010 mac pro (terrific computer, still very capable machine) and a 2013 rMBP, but if any of them were to die today, there’s not a single computer in apple’s entire lineup I’d feel comfortable buying.
 
He has no idea. Apple analytics - best job in the world, you can keep screwing up and people will stil listen to you
 
Apple's earnings results for the first quarter of 2019 will likely be released in May, so we're still some time away from real numbers.

Apple's not going to be proving real numbers anymore, remember? That couldn't possibly mean they're dropping though, right?
 
Apple's not going to be proving real numbers anymore, remember? That couldn't possibly mean they're dropping though, right?
It's clear Apple is making up for a soft cell phone market by overcharging for devices. Earnings will tell if it worked even if we can't see sales numbers.
 
It's clear Apple is making up for a soft cell phone market by overcharging for devices. Earnings will tell if it worked even if we can't see sales numbers.
How so is apple overcharging?

The Xs is the same price as the X was last year. The Xr is $749. The Xs Max, which has technology never used in iphones before is $1,099. While the Note 9 is $999.

Apple's guidance for next quarter (if my memory is correct) is about $85 to $90B. Even if the units are flat, that is a big number being fueled by something. Apple is not usually off by much in it's guidance.
 
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News flash. All cell phone sales are declining. Apple is doing just fine. Maybe this means people are buying the XS more. After all, that was the most popular last year with the X right??
Apple shot themselves in the foot speeding up older devices with iOS 12, and of course discounted battery replacements.
I’m sure they anticipated this all along.
And honestly for all the things we can criticize Apple for, supporting and improving performance on devices 5 years old is, imho, not just the right thing to do, but very much appreciated. Of course they knew it would impact sales.
 
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No need to be so presumptuous. I never implied the Pixel 3 isn’t a ‘flagship.’ I compared the XL, being it’s a direct competitor to the XS and Note 9. I don’t care about The UK pricing, I’m referring to the iPhone being blamed for price inflation as a whole, when it’s competitors are charging relative prices in comparison. You can’t expect someone be self aware of smart phone pricing around the world. The context of my post was the major competitors against Apple are not far off in price. Please, if you respond, take the time to read the original post I responded to the other member. It would make for a more useful discussion versus ‘U.K. pricing.’
You're missing his point. The XS direct competitor is the Pixel 3 not the XL. The XL competes with the XS Max. Hence, there is a huge price difference.

The Note 9 does not compete with the XS. I would argue it isn't even the direct competitor the the XS Max. The S9 and S9 plus is what competes with the XS and XS Max. Which again, cost a lot less.
 
I read someone saying Apple should have stayed with an original iPhone design option (8 / 8 Plus) for another year (9 / 9 Plus) because there is a big chunk of the market that want their old iPhone and doesn't want a different looking X and the relearning that goes with UI change (no matter how small that is).

(Where's my battery percentage? How do I unload power hungry apps, I used to double click the home button? ApplePay is how? How do I go back to my main screen display, from a secondary screen of apps, it was just a single push of the home button before? etc.)

Since the Xr is cheaper than the 8 Plus was in the U.S. (the cost isn't higher), its hard to see a (potential) 20% drop in sales as anything but a repudiation by a significant chunk of their customer base of the forced change in design and how the UI works of the X series on the customer.
I imagine the number of people NOT buying because of a change in UI is tiny and only geeks or tech people. Most folks won’t even know. Folks might not want to update because they will lose Touch ID but again most normal people won’t think about it. Price will be the main factor
 
Which is why this is apple sales slump is fake news. But that’s my opinion, you can believe differently. The truth will come out.
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Why would anyone drive a Hyundai Elantra when they could drive an m5 is a good question in the same vein. The Elantra is redundant.
So basically the Elantra has the M5 engine, suspension, and chassis? If you want to use a better comparison, say the difference in a XR and XS is the difference between a GT3 and GT3RS. For all intents and purposes, the GT3 is the RS with less aero, 500HP vs 520HP. The XR May go down as the most underrated iPhone (mostly by the general public) ever. Which is odd, because basically every reviewer and or blogger raves about the XR, and several have swapped out XS for the XR.
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So basically the Elantra has the M5 engine, suspension, and chassis, and most of the sheet metal on the outside? So like 95% M5? If you want to use a better analogy, let’s use Porsche’s GT3 cars. Let’s say the difference in a XR and XS is the difference between a GT3 and GT3RS. For all intents and purposes, the GT3 is the RS with less aero and a 500HP 4.0L vs 520HP vs 4.2L. Except the XR is even closer in performance than the GT3/GT3RS are. The XR may go down as the most underrated iPhone (mostly by the general public) ever. Which is odd, because basically every reviewer and or blogger raves about the XR, and several have swapped out XS for the XR.
 
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