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Easy solution for this whole situation... lets get the electronics companies to abandon HDMI, and instead use MiniDisplayPort and DisplayPort, DP already does audio (at 7.1), so why do we need HDMI at all. Also DP supports higher resolutions than HD, so it will be ready when UHDTV (4K) and MHDTV (8K) come down the pipe.

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Most hotels have flat screen LCD TVs these days, and there is usually a aux HDMI input easily accessible on the side for watching missed TV shows via Hulu Plus and a notebook or iPad. Having a HDMI port on the computer end would mean just carrying a thin, lightweight cable to connect the two, much as a mDP-to-HDMI cable does as well.

Things start to get ugly and bulky when you have to pack the cable AND an adapter with big plastic connector blocks on the ends.

Yeah, why doesn't Apple just use DVI, VGA, or HDMI like everyone else? The old Macbook Pros had DVI output, and that was way nicer than the stupid mini display port.
Even worse, my iMac uses Mini DVI, the worst @#$%ing piece of @#$% I have ever seen.
 
Apple should just stop with their own priority ports and implement a HDMI port on macbooks. Stupid enough that you have to buy an adapter to use any non-apple monitor.

DisplayPort is for monitors, and HDMI is for TVs. HDMI can't do a lot of the things needed that a DP port can.

Yes, it would be very nice to have an HDMI port on all Macs, and I hate buying adapters as much as the next guy, but please don't confuse the two ports. HDMI is not good for everything.
 
If we are to have dongles, then instead of a mDP to HDMI, they should come out with a HDMI to mDP adapter, then get mDP->mDP cables.

No more HDMI->HDMI cables, no more licensing fees to the ******s that can't be bothered to change the HDMI spec.

This is so pedantic on their part it's beyond juvenile :mad:
 
I agree. What is the point of DVI and HDMI when we can just use VGA?

Because VGA is analog and supporting HD Resolutions with the clarity of digital requires expensive electronics. Just being able to support high resolutions doesn't mean most consumer graphics cards can do it well. It takes a high end RAMDAC and a high end cable to get there.
 
DisplayPort is for monitors, and HDMI is for TVs. HDMI can't do a lot of the things needed that a DP port can.

Yes, it would be very nice to have an HDMI port on all Macs, and I hate buying adapters as much as the next guy, but please don't confuse the two ports. HDMI is not good for everything.

I know, DisplayPort has its advantages. However, the Mac Mini that is one model behind the latest one (I don't know if the new one is like this) requires an adapter that connects to DP and USB on the Mac to connect it to a 30" Apple Cinema Display. Completely bogus.
 
Easy solution for this whole situation... lets get the electronics companies to abandon HDMI, and instead use MiniDisplayPort and DisplayPort, DP already does audio (at 7.1), so why do we need HDMI at all. Also DP supports higher resolutions than HD, so it will be ready when UHDTV (4K) and MHDTV (8K) come down the pipe.

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It's just too widely used, you can use a HDMI cable for computers or other devices like games consoles, phones and more. Making it mDP would be a lot of hassle for other people. 1 cable is better than lots.
 
Because VGA is analog and supporting HD Resolutions with the clarity of digital requires expensive electronics. Just being able to support high resolutions doesn't mean most consumer graphics cards can do it well. It takes a high end RAMDAC and a high end cable to get there.

Are you sure that high res VGA is difficult? A junky HP I have that shipped with Vista in 2008 could support high res VGA.
 
HDMI doesn't work beyond 1920x1200, and monitors are far larger. Thus Apple uses a more flexible standard. You can drive an HDMI TV with a $20 dongle. You cannot drive a 2560x1600 monitor with HDMI, period. Newer computers will use Thunderbolt, which includes mDP.


Thank God you don't run Apple. :rolleyes:


doesnt hdmi work with 4k ? which is 4096×2160p i was under the impression it did
 
Are you sure that high res VGA is difficult? A junky HP I have that shipped with Vista in 2008 could support high res VGA.

Again, support != looking good. Most video cards nowadays ship with cheap RAMDACS that don't support the higher resolutions without extensive ghosting and blurring of the signal.
 
VESA NOT Owned By Apple

I was unaware that VESA is owned by Apple. :rolleyes:
Board of Directors
Craig Wiley, Chairman, Parade Technologies
Bob Myers, Vice Chairman, Hewlett-Packard
Brian Fetz, Secretary/Treasurer, Agilent Technologies
Alan Kobayashi, STMicroelectronics
Bruce Montag, Dell
Roger Quero, AMD
Devang Sachdev, NVIDIA

Apple missing an individual on the board.

Apple is a member but so are about 100 other companies.
 
doesnt hdmi work with 4k ? which is 4096×2160p i was under the impression it did
Not completely.

Only the latest HDMI 1.4/1.4a standard supports anything higher than 2560x1600, but it does so at 24 frames per second only. A computer monitor needs at least 60 hz, and you're stuck at 2560x1600 then.

DisplayPort 1.2 can do 4096x2160 at 60 hz.
 
Possibly because projectors are video equipment, not monitors, and as such need to connect to things other than computers (such as Blu-Ray players, which will only support HDMI for HD output), and projectors don't have to support >1080p resolutions (that monitors do).

HDMI doesn't work beyond 1920x1200, and monitors are far larger. Thus Apple uses a more flexible standard. You can drive an HDMI TV with a $20 dongle. You cannot drive a 2560x1600 monitor with HDMI, period. Newer computers will use Thunderbolt, which includes mDP.

So in essence, you want Apple to abandon a more capable port that is the basis for Thunderbolt and has increasing adoption in the PC space, for one that is limited to HDTV resolutions and can be replaced with a $20 dongle.

Thank God you don't run Apple. :rolleyes:

Yes, I understand that there's nothing wrong with Mini DisplayPort, technically. But the problem is that I have yet to come across a video device that uses the connector. I don't like adapters, they're expensive, bulky and I never have them with me when I need them. All the VAIO people have VGAs on their netbooks and they can connect to our university projectors instantly. All the Mac people need to run around for hours on campus trying to find someone with an adapter, only to find out that it's the wrong kind (Mini DisplayPort or DVI, or the other (big) DVI, that makes 3 connectors, while people who stick with 20 year old technology still have it easy).

I like technology that makes my life better, not technology that should or could make it better.

I have no idea how these standards work, but Mini DisplayPort is pretty useless to me. Maybe it's great for monitors, but I'm more likely to connect my MacBook Pro to a projector for a presentation or a TV screen to watch a movie than a monitor. If my MacBook Pro had VGA or HDMI in addition to Mini DisplayPort, I'd be fine. The thing is Apple thinks that just because "you can get an adapter", it's all fine. No, it's not fine, because you need to pay £20 for it, and then you have to have it with you all the time. How come cheap laptops get to have HDMI?

Yes, I know, it would take up more space on the motherboard, which means something could get compromised (a component would get removed or the whole laptop would be thicker), but I'm not an engineer, I'm just speaking of a user's viewpoint. All the Mac people in my class are always pissed off at not being able to hold a presentation when they find out that the ultra-modern projector isn't compatible with their ultra-modern laptop.

Who's fault is it? Everyone's, probably: the projector people aren't adopting current technology. But then maybe current tech is too expensive. Maybe Apple should have stuck with old tech. Maybe adapters should come free with the computer. Maybe this should all go by USB somehow. I have no idea, but why is the most expensive computer also the most annoying one when it comes to making an ad-hoc presentation?
 
How come all projectors STILL use VGA, and the newer ones HDMI and not Mini DisplayPort? It's because Apple makes the wrong choices with stupid connectors.

Maybe because Apple makes computers and not "video players." HDMI is suitable for video only. DisplayPort and Thunderbolt are suitable for that and more. Get a clue.
 
Well even if mDP is not apple's.. I have yet to set it on any non-apple device. All the HD monitors I have seen have HDMI or VGA (VGA is still the easiest to hook up) or even DVI.

Even so, a HDMI port is useful for connecting to a TV too. Apple surely can squeeze it in, seeing as nearly all new laptops these days have one. My laptop from 2008 has one.

No, I'd rather Apple not waste space and engineering on an HDMI port. A dongle works fine for the few times I use it.

I have to chuckle at your term of "HD monitors." HD is only applicable for TV. Do you call a 1920x1200 monitor HD? What about higher resolution monitors? HDMI can't handle those. DisplayPort can. Going with DP is a no brainer. Going with HDMI is a stupid gimmick to sell to 90% of the buying public, of which less than 5% will actually use.
 
No, I'd rather Apple not waste space and engineering on an HDMI port. A dongle works fine for the few times I use it.

I have to chuckle at your term of "HD monitors." HD is only applicable for TV. Do you call a 1920x1200 monitor HD? What about higher resolution monitors? HDMI can't handle those. DisplayPort can. Going with DP is a no brainer. Going with HDMI is a stupid gimmick to sell to 90% of the buying public, of which less than 5% will actually use.

Even still, not that many laptops use mDP other than Apple devices. So why use mDP and an adapter when you could use HDMI?.

Many decently priced laptops have HDMI. Not many under £500 I have seen have mDP.
 
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It would be unApple to have multiple ports for the same purpose. (VGA, dvi, s-video, hdmi, etc)

right...like the two (2) USB ports on the side of the MBP...
 
lol, I'm sure all the back-room vendors from China selling on eBay and the like will get right on discontinuing their cables ASAP. :rolleyes:

As long as there is desire for cables, there will be cables, official license or not.
 
Pretty silly and another example of politics ruining things. I'm sure these will continue to sell regardless, just not sanctioned by HDMI org.
 
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