You left out folks who had some issue that required a restore. Apple then FORCES you to upgrade then as well. Well unless you want to just look at your broken iDevice and not use it. IMO the restore option in iTunes should restore the installed version so when there is a problem you can fix it and stay where you are. And the upgrade/update button gets you the latest version if you want it. Never happen but would certainly make since esp for users with older devices that are not yet ready to throw their devices away yet.
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You left out folks who had some issue that required a restore. Apple then FORCES you to upgrade then as well. Well unless you want to just look at your broken iDevice and not use it. IMO the restore option in iTunes should restore the installed version so when there is a problem you can fix it and stay where you are. And the upgrade/update button gets you the latest version if you want it. Never happen but would certainly make since esp for users with older devices that are not yet ready to throw their devices away yet.
On my 6+ battery life went from superb to merely ok. I lost around 1.5 hours of usage per charge cycle, and that's after a clean install via iTunes and toggling the exact-same settings afterwards. I did it twice just to make sure there wasn't an error the first time.
Agreed. I think Apple is going to find it harder and harder to get consumers to upgrade their devices as often as they have been. Look at iPad sales. You're not seeing consumers willing to upgrade their tablets as often as they have upgraded their cell phones. I think the subsidized upgrades that wireless providers were handing out to get consumers to sign a fresh two year contract were the primary driver of the 2 year upgrade cycle for phones that became the norm and now that those are going away consumers won't upgrade as often due to the cost. Wireless providers were tired of sending so much money Apple's way and by passing the costs onto consumers with these new 0% interest financing plans with payments for the full cost of the hardware split over a number of years you'll see consumers respond in kind.
I think that the 2 year upgrade cycle will quickly move to 3-4 years and when that happens something will have to give. Either Apple will have to lower hardware prices to make upgrading more affordable or wireless provides will need to reintroduce subsidies and if neither happens then a 3-4 year upgrade cycle will be the norm. If that happens Apple will find it harder and harder to force hardware upgrades in the manner they are now by forcing iOS updates on users that in turn force hardware upgrades.
Um no. Good guess but it takes way more than .1 milliseconds to open apps. Try more like 5 second just to open a flashlight app. IOS 6 ruined my iPhone 4.
5 seconds is still not really that big of a deal. If the phone works it isn't ruined. It is slower, yet, but not ruined.
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Apple does force their users to upgrade. If you need to do a factory restore, you are forced to upgrade to the latest ios whether you want to or not.
Apple should make it so that there is a recovery partition so that the os is already on your phone. You shouldn't have to be forced to install the latest ios if you need to restore your phone.
You don't have to do a factory restore through iTunes though. There's always a restore from the device itself. Settings > General > Reset > Erase All Content and Settings. Pretty sure that method doesn't make you update to the latest OS.
Not only that ... after a new version of iOS is released, you only have a limited time to restore to an older version if you have a saved IPSW file, which is very frustrating. People should be allowed to restore to whatever the hell they want.
They didn't have that option when I had my old iphone 4. I was on ios 5.1.1 and was having problems with my phone. Had to restore. Was forced to get 6.1.2.
Even with all my jailbreak cydia shsh blobs, it is impossible for me to downgrade to ios 5. I would love my iphone again if I could just downgrade it. Maybe I should set up a genius appointment, bring my blobs with me, and make the genius downgrade it. And if he doesn't, I'll just yell at him until he does. Tell him to quit playing games with me and do some of his "genius" magic stuff. Really sick of apple not letting me downgrade. I can downgrade osx all I want, but not the iphone. I downgraded to snow leopard once I got sick of mavericks eating up all of my 4gb of ram. Nice to have my old computer back after an update I don't like lol.
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You left out folks who had some issue that required a restore. Apple then FORCES you to upgrade then as well. Well unless you want to just look at your broken iDevice and not use it. IMO the restore option in iTunes should restore the installed version so when there is a problem you can fix it and stay where you are. And the upgrade/update button gets you the latest version if you want it. Never happen but would certainly make since esp for users with older devices that are not yet ready to throw their devices away yet."
Can someone thumbs up those comments a thousand times please!!
THis is why I HATE HATE HATE apple!! I LOVED my old iphone 4 before I was forced to put 6.1.2 on it!! I just want my old iphone back!
Back in the day when jailbreaking was fun, when a new ios version got released, ALL the jailbreakers would be like, "If you need to restore, do it NOW, do not WAIT because apple will not sign the older ios for much longer."
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Funny, I've got a 3GS (yes, they still exist) on IOS 6.1.6 and I'm not seeing that. And that phone's OLD.
In fact 6.1.6 is faster than IOS 4 or 5 for me. IOS 4 was very slow on the 3GS, now that's something I could complain about since that update had slowed down my 1 year old phone!!
I think your overstating your issue or are much more sensitive to very minute differences since arguably I've got a much slower phone and it doesn't botter me at all. And, most people think IOS 6 as the leanest best performing release of IOS.
Like saying XP was the leanest best performing release of windows. But I wouldn't want xp to be my daily driver at this point.
Not at all. When 6 debuted it had tons of problems! It crashed a lot on a new iPhone 5. Maps was a disaster. No youtube app, and the ones on the app store were terrible at the time, with no support for multitasking. Don't get me started with syncing problems with iTunes. Also there was iTunes match. Every once in a while I would get out of my home only to discover that ALL my music was gone from my iPhone and my iPad. Also the redesigned music app was ugly (and lost the ability to delete single songs from the device, god knows why) and the new podcast app was a real crap: slow, ugly and crashy. Unusable on older supported devices and with a bug that would eat all your data.
Oh and the redesigned all black app store and ibooks store. Those were so freaking S L O W!!
And there was almost nothing really new or outstanding, compared to other iOS releases.
In my experience 4 (with the BIG exception of the iPhone 3g) and 5 were the best releases of iOS. 7.1 was also very good (on the iPhone, just good on the iPad), but far too late in the game. iOS8 is not very stable and not very polished, but basic functionality is way better than how it was in 6, imho.
I still have nightmares about ios 6
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Well, I don't have much choice if I want to keep the 3GS. I'm not saying IOS 8 is bad at all if you can run it, which I do on my Air 2.
I agree to some extent. At least to the previous version or base. Not so sure to any version as that would be a support headache. But its a pipe dream as Apple will never allow that and we are stuck with what it is I suspect.
Looks like this rumor was a bust. IF 8.1.3 really does exist maybe we will see it next week. Of course this was a BGR started rumor so consider the source.
[Edit] BGR does state "the site cannot confirm whether it's a new beta or a public release," so to their credit I guess they were somewhat correct since 8.2 B4 did drop Monday.
[Edit] BGR does state "the site cannot confirm whether it's a new beta or a public release," so to their credit I guess they were somewhat correct since 8.2 B4 did drop Monday.
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https://www.macrumors.com/2015/01/16/ios-8-1-3-still-in-testing/
Apple is continuing its behind-the-scenes work on the upcoming iOS 8.1.3 update, and as of yesterday, retail employees that have been testing the software received a second iOS 8.1.3 beta, build 12B466, which is six builds newer than the previous seed they received on Wednesday, January 7.
Very interesting. This might be a bigger bug fixer than we previously thought.
Apple is continuing its behind-the-scenes work on the upcoming iOS 8.1.3 update, and as of yesterday, retail employees that have been testing the software received a second iOS 8.1.3 beta, build 12B466, which is six builds newer than the previous seed they received on Wednesday, January 7.
Very interesting. This might be a bigger bug fixer than we previously thought.
I just want to make something clear, at least from my stance, I do not welcome PRIVATE messages arguing with what I stated on this post, from anyone.
Otherwise, I stand by what I said. Devices get slower over time. The more features that Apple adds to a device, the more resources the device will use, the slower more bogged down it will become. The 4s has half the RAM any of the current devices have. Should Apple continue to support it? I don't think so. I think iOS 7 was enough for a device that old. But you will have people upset that they didn't get the latest update on a device that old. It seems some people complaining should consider a different company to work with and see if any of them can meet their needs of updating and keeping a device going as fast as day 1 out of the box while adding features for as long as Apple has.
On topic, I think 8.1.3 could be a bigger update than we thought...as the above posted said. Based on the newest post from MacRumors!
Otherwise, I stand by what I said. Devices get slower over time. The more features that Apple adds to a device, the more resources the device will use, the slower more bogged down it will become. The 4s has half the RAM any of the current devices have. Should Apple continue to support it? I don't think so. I think iOS 7 was enough for a device that old. But you will have people upset that they didn't get the latest update on a device that old. It seems some people complaining should consider a different company to work with and see if any of them can meet their needs of updating and keeping a device going as fast as day 1 out of the box while adding features for as long as Apple has.
On topic, I think 8.1.3 could be a bigger update than we thought...as the above posted said. Based on the newest post from MacRumors!
Not at all. When 6 debuted it had tons of problems! It crashed a lot on a new iPhone 5. Maps was a disaster. No youtube app, and the ones on the app store were terrible at the time, with no support for multitasking. Don't get me started with syncing problems with iTunes. Also there was iTunes match. Every once in a while I would get out of my home only to discover that ALL my music was gone from my iPhone and my iPad. Also the redesigned music app was ugly (and lost the ability to delete single songs from the device, god knows why) and the new podcast app was a real crap: slow, ugly and crashy. Unusable on older supported devices and with a bug that would eat all your data.
Oh and the redesigned all black app store and ibooks store. Those were so freaking S L O W!!
And there was almost nothing really new or outstanding, compared to other iOS releases.
In my experience 4 (with the BIG exception of the iPhone 3g) and 5 were the best releases of iOS. 7.1 was also very good (on the iPhone, just good on the iPad), but far too late in the game. iOS8 is not very stable and not very polished, but basic functionality is way better than how it was in 6, imho.
I still have nightmares about ios 6
IOS 6 was a mess man! I regretted restoring my ip4 as soon as I used it. IOS 6 is what made me say goodbye to iOS.
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I just want to make something clear, at least from my stance, I do not welcome PRIVATE messages arguing with what I stated on this post, from anyone.
Otherwise, I stand by what I said. Devices get slower over time. The more features that Apple adds to a device, the more resources the device will use, the slower more bogged down it will become. The 4s has half the RAM any of the current devices have. Should Apple continue to support it? I don't think so. I think iOS 7 was enough for a device that old. But you will have people upset that they didn't get the latest update on a device that old. It seems some people complaining should consider a different company to work with and see if any of them can meet their needs of updating and keeping a device going as fast as day 1 out of the box while adding features for as long as Apple has.
On topic, I think 8.1.3 could be a bigger update than we thought...as the above posted said. Based on the newest post from MacRumors!
You missed my point. The phone itself is perfectly fine. It's the new software that boggles it down, not the phone itself. Why should I have to throw away a perfectly good working phone? No company should release software for a device that can't handle the new update. I'd rather have a fast reliable phone than one that has the latest software.
We don't want to share exact numbers, primarily for competitive reasons. But the total number of hits from iOS 8.1.3 devices now numbers in the thousands...does that help?
It's something...
How about creating (and labeling) a graph that shows it as a percentage of iOS 8.1 users?
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So some iOS apps are not functional some of the time? Form over function, that's Apples way. I have a 6+ too, so I'm not bashing.
Your refusal to believe that Microsoft could be at fault said it for you. Especially when you called me an Apple fanboy for what you see as my refusal to see the same about Apple
As for your claims. I have six email addresses across four systems -- icloud, yahoo, gmail and godaddy. My boyfriend has two addresses -- one icloud and one yahoo. My office has 60 iOS devices owned by the company and another 20-30 personal devices owned by various staff. Variety of email systems. None of these have this time zone bug. My boyfriend is an Apple Genius and sees easily 20-30 devices a day. He has seen this bug three times and they were all gmail accounts. Never on anything else. Nor has anyone else seen it on anything but gmail. If it was an iOS issue we should be seeing it all over the place on all systems.
As for your Exchange comment, ios 7 and 8 are not identical software. So yeah if something related to mail, contacts, etc was changed things like Exchange need to adjust to those changes. If they don't, things might not work. That is not an Apple issue but a developer one. These changes are why Apple gives developers copies of the software days, even weeks, before it goes live. So appropriate adjustments can be made.
Well, what i meant is, certain things ios apps can't do without jailbreaking is for ex closing all apps at once. Like killing apps within a task manager app. Obviously android apps can do much more in this sense. But as i said i hate ugly crappy looking android apps and i think ios apps, although a bit more limited than android apps, still have great functions and they look gorgeous.