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Mission Control Replacement?

KingCrimson said:
Especially when you can't name your virtual desktops.

'Desktop 3' really has a cool semantic, aint it? :confused:
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Maybe they could offer it as an option but IMO it's pretty irrelevant. Desktop X is a good enough indicator. Previously they had no names at all and nobody seemed to be bothered by that.
 
I want spaces+exposé back!, mission control is a failure for me, Apple should let people decide what tool to choose, this is a dictadorship...
 
Now would be a good time for the developer of VirtueDesktops) to update and breathe new life into his app! Remember it - the whole SmackBook thing? People busting their LCD displays because they were beating the snot out of them?

Download link: http://www.macupdate.com/app/mac/16530/virtuedesktops

App review: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XmzCgIQGqsM

I have to say I just launched it on Lion, switched desktops and immediately lost my menubar. Had to log out and back in to get it back.

This could come in quite handy, though, if updated. I'd use it.

But I think the project may have been abandoned.
 
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Mission control fails again

Mission Control is a complete step back as has been explained by people previously but today it failed to work even in its own way.

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Seriously Mission Control just does not work.
 
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Now see....

YOU are the definition of a user who might...just MIGHT...benefit from LaunchPad. That is way too many apps on your Dock, dude.
 
With Launchpad you still have to go searching for you app. And if it's in a folder thats just another step to get to your app. Use Alfred, it's free, fast, and does so much more than just launching apps.
 
strausd said:
With Launchpad you still have to go searching for you app. And if it's in a folder thats just another step to get to your app. Use Alfred, it's free, fast, and does so much more than just launching apps.
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Alfred's an excellent app. In the way I use it, it's very similar to Spotlight <cmd><space>, but Alfred's just so much nicer to use.

Now can we have an app that does what Spaces did + Exposé, then I'll be as happy as a pig in muck.

I just resent things changing ostensibly for the benefit of numpties, but which breaks things for experienced people. It's like the daft changes that Microsoft made to Office 2007 and their silly Ribbon interface. It's alienated a large chunk of their existing user base who simply won't upgrade (or is it downgrade) to a later version.

I desperately hope this isn't a sign of things to come.
 
kasakka said:
For handling application windows, I much prefer the Win7 way, which is also available for OSX using Hyperdock. Win7 offers a clear indicator for how many windows there are and thumbnail previews in an obvious location as opposed to OSX which has no indicator to tell if an app has any windows in the first place.
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Ok. Wait for it..... I am going to go all Yank(American speak) for this post. Like Its worth it, like.

That Hyper Dock is ammazzing.... This is waaaaay better than expose/Spaces/Mission Control for most instances for window management..

You know sometimes MS and Apple need to stop being stupid and just do and copy stuff that makes sense for the end user.

And yes Send feedback to Apple even if you like all the Lion stuff. There is always room for sending tips for improvement.
 
me_94501 said:
To illustrate the point...on what planet is what you see in the attached screenshot good window management? This is nine Safari windows in Mission Control (to get it like this, open Mission Control, then do a scroll gesture over a stack of windows to spread them out). Windows overlap each other--some are almost entirely obscured. While this may seem contrived, I end up with this many windows open in one app quite frequently.
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There's something in browsers now called tabs. They let you open multiple pages in one window.
 
relax11 said:
Have they become so fixated on iOS that it has clouded them to the far more complicated spatial requirements of the OSX work environment? Can anyone explain why they would willingly destroy the functionality of OSX?
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Yes, it's all about iOS at Apple. Maybe in a few years someone will wake up over there and notice that there is still a market for real desktop computers that don't use toy-sized screens . . .
 
*LTD* said:
There's a lot of tech that could really use a similar "dumbing down."

The more the better.

An OS isn't the bridge of a nuclear sub. It's a way to quickly and easily get to your apps and documents.
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While I do share your view on easier OS accessibility for all people, I dont think you should be quite so supportive of mission control in its current state.

I reckon by the .4 update of Lion it will function far more fluently. At the moment it doesn't support drag and drop consistently and windows from apps get lost behind each other when an app has more than 6 windows open.

I realise that novice users will not have 6 windows open for one app at all times but apple have published documents on UI guidelines that stress simplicity and consistency within interfaces. Spreading grouped windows from an app in Mission Control (by swiping up) does not give the user a clear view of all the windows or even make it easy to click select the desired window at all times. I think this may intimidate or annoy a novice user.

I will be puzzled if Apple do not tweak Mission Control slightly in future updates. It does not seem to scale well at the moment.
 
scottsjack said:
Yes, it's all about iOS at Apple. Maybe in a few years someone will wake up over there and notice that there is still a market for real desktop computers that don't use toy-sized screens . . .
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They are a consumer company and no longer care about the professionals. FCP X is a perfect example of this. Along with their xserves and the fact that they update their laptops about twice a year and their Mac Pro once every 500 days (for the last 2 updates that is).

Sadly, I think the real desktop market will be Windows. They will try to compete with Apple, but it just won't work. Heck, they are even going to do an app store too for their desktop OS.

I think Apple is far better when it comes to knowing what the consumer wants. The only thing is that you can get a Windows machine for much less. And many people really just don't need the power.

I wouldn't be surprised if Windows did try and follow in Apple's footsteps only to realize that they can't beat their phones and tablets, which is where the money is. But they will continue to beat Apple out on the low end laptops. I think the Mac OS is no longer for desktops.

gumblecosby said:
I will be puzzled if Apple do not tweak Mission Control slightly in future updates. It does not seem to scale well at the moment.
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I think they will tweak it, but I definitely think they will not bring back all the functionality back that was lost in the transition.
 
strausd said:
Use Alfred, it's free, fast, and does so much more than just launching apps.
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I absolutely second this. Alfred is awesome. I recommend springing for the Power Pack with all of the extra features it provides. The developer support is great too.

As for Launchpad, just because it's there doesn't mean one has to use it. :p
 
gumblecosby said:
While I do share your view on easier OS accessibility for all people, I dont think you should be quite so supportive of mission control in its current state.

I reckon by the .4 update of Lion it will function far more fluently. At the moment it doesn't support drag and drop consistently and windows from apps get lost behind each other when an app has more than 6 windows open.

I realise that novice users will not have 6 windows open for one app at all times but apple have published documents on UI guidelines that stress simplicity and consistency within interfaces. Spreading grouped windows from an app in Mission Control (by swiping up) does not give the user a clear view of all the windows or even make it easy to click select the desired window at all times. I think this may intimidate or annoy a novice user.

I will be puzzled if Apple do not tweak Mission Control slightly in future updates. It does not seem to scale well at the moment.
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I'd rather not have a whole ton of tiny windows because I managed to get a couple of windows open in each app, Mission Control groups them nicely.

me_94501 said:
Yes. I know that. I was illustrating a point...
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An irrelevant point.
 
BiggAW said:
I'd rather not have a whole ton of tiny windows because I managed to get a couple of windows open in each app, Mission Control groups them nicely.
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I'd rather my windows not be cut off by only have 2 windows open. And then completely hidden when it gets above 3 windows.


BiggAW said:
An irrelevant point.
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I don't think anyone could have missed the point more than you did.
 
*LTD* said:
There's a lot of tech that could really use a similar "dumbing down."

The more the better.

An OS isn't the bridge of a nuclear sub. It's a way to quickly and easily get to your apps and documents.
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I've read every single post in this thread (yep, took a while) but somehow your posts always manage to annoy me the most. You're so far up Apples arse you should get medal from MR for your complete and utter fanboyism.

An os isn't the bridge of nuclear submarine, thanks for pointing that out. :rolleyes: it also isn't a glorified media player for your iTunes shloz. It's used for work and that requires some degree of advanced features which do not require "dumbing down".

as for the apps and documents you want to get to "quickly and easily", how does mission control and/or launchpad get you to them any faster than spotlight/spaces/expose did in SL?

Oh, and guess what, those apps of yours were created in an OS by developers which are most likely appalled at the thought of "dumbing down" an OS. Keep spouting the "Post-pc" mantra if it makes you feel smart, but just because Apple/Jobs says it, doesn't make it so. Some of us (Many of us) want a productive OS, not a "dumbed down" one.

Spaces/expose are the reason why I'll stick with SL for now. If that's backward thinking, then I guess I'm backwards and holding back the "dumbing down" of technology :rolleyes:
 
ixthy said:
Even expose alone (without spaces) is so much better than mission control. Look at this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ktTNcj0fAM4
I think it's really obvious which is better...
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Interesting. The top feature is

- Instantly see all your windows.


You can not do this in Mission control. If you have even just 4 spaces in Mission Control with a few windows on each it takes 9 gestures (and holding down option) to see all your windows. In Leopard (and SL) it takes only 2.
 
ixthy said:
Even expose alone (without spaces) is so much better than mission control. Look at this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ktTNcj0fAM4
I think it's really obvious which is better...
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I remember the introduction of Expose'. It totally blew me away (as it did the crowd in the video snippet). Honestly, I don't understand Mission Control. Its a clusterf**k of concepts I don't understand.

Right now, the only compromise I've found to Expose in Lion is to never use full screen apps. At least the damn things all stay in one spot now. (Albeit piled on top of one another).
 
Controls on the bridge of nuclear subs are pretty simple. You don't want a lot of stuff to confuse someone who's been on watch for 5 hours, is under a lot of stress, and is in a metal tube 800 feet underwater on a mission.
 
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