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I agree 100%! (and indeed, the government under Bush and Obama did do exactly that, and spot on about both party systems)

...what did you mean by "Young Passion"?

I mean you are young and have a lot more energy (Large Post) than I do. Anyway, take it as a compliment.
 
I reckon those who throw the "s-word" around intend it to mean "anything government owned and operated." In that case, these people:

1) should have to pay tolls on every road they ever travel on
2) should not be able to put their children in public schools
3) should not be allowed to use post offices
4) should not be allowed to report crimes to police

And the list goes on....

This would of course also apply to the majority of libertarians.
 
Just a question...where do you think the dollars to build and maintain those roads, utilities, bridges, and other infrastructure come from? Unicorn tears and pixie dust? :rolleyes:

This is a pretty sad mindset you have here. It is the Government's job to provide roads, bridges, schools and all the things that you and Obama claimed "made" my business. I pay my taxes unlike many Americans so I along with many other hard working tax paying American's paid for those roads, bridges, and schools so don't give me that garbage. :rolleyes:
It boggles the mind that you guys wrote these and think that it doesn't prove Obama's point.

Obama hasn't a clue how an economy works. Not surprising, given that he's never had a real job in his life!
Popular talking point, but wrong:

While in law school he worked as an associate at the law firms of Sidley & Austin in 1989, where he met his wife, Michelle, and where Newton N. Minow was a managing partner. Minow later would introduce Obama to some of Chicago's top business leaders. In the summer of 1990 he worked at Hopkins & Sutter.
Wiki. Might not be as many jobs as you like, but even if you disallow "community organizer" as a job, you'd still be wrong.

Neither man has had to make a paycheck last for two weeks, but Obama has been a helluva lot closer to it than Romney. And I'm sure that informs his view of business and government. I know some people believe that success in business somehow qualifies one to lead government, but that's just another talking point too. Business and government have different goals and work in different ways.

Finally, if Obama doesn't have a clue how the economy works, how do you explain this well-known graph?

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It's all the Obama people have. That and blaming Bush for everything.

Why is it only a president is allowed to blame all his failures on his predecessor? CEOs can't get away with it. Quarterbacks can't get away with it. Yet Obama voters happily pull the lever for him just glad it's not Bush. I mean hey, what could we possibly expect from Obama? He didn't inherit a country without problems. Cut the guy a break.

Great thinking, America. :rolleyes:




Personal accountability is not a tenet of liberalism.

I took Bush 8 years to wipe out the surplus left for him by a democrat.

You really think that this economy can be turned around in 4 years after Bush and his cronies destroyed the pushed us into a recession?

Personal accountability is not a tenet of Republicans, who dumped their failed policies on Obama's administration.
 
Obama, "Hey Steve Jobs, you didn't build that!"

Time for Obama to go bye bye!
You do realize Romney is lying and President Obama did not say that. They took several lines of his speech and edited them to make it sound like the President said you didn't build your own business.

When the President said 'you didn't build that,' he was referring to roads. Not your business.
 
Who said the roads "build great businesses"? If you have a business you have infrastructure in place that helps your business operate.

The roads are already there thanks to the government. If you think businesses have not benefitted by government created infrastructure I suggest taking a look at the how the interstate highway system that President Eisenhower championed changed the economic landscape.

Bridges, tunnels, internet? How about the U.S. transcontinental railroad?

Aren't those examples of how infrastructure benefits all, including business?

Please do not forget the financial system. Where would these businesses be without our federally insured or underwritten student and business loans? There is also the matter of our federally insured deposits which if not insured would mean people would still keep their money in mattresses (constraining the money supply), as well as commerce-killing higher interest rates (because of greater risk )for businesses and mortgages.
 
Not to mention that government has no business getting involved in marriage or abortion. Government keeps getting bigger and bigger under Obama and another term won't change that.

Yes government has no business getting involved with abortion. Tell that to the big government republicans passing laws forcing women to have invasive medical procedures they do not need or want, to have an abortion.

I mean come on, government forcing a transvaginal ultrasound? If that's not big government, I don't know what is. Obama is not growing government. It's republicans.
 
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Show me your birth certificate Mitt. Do you even know who your real mom is?
I demand to see Mitt Romney's warranty. He is not human!

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Does Mitt's new app display 10 years of his tax returns? I'd like to see what he is hiding.

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The collective wisdom of the U.S. population has been on the long road of decline for a good 50 years or so. I leave to the reader the task of determining some of the reasons behind this.

I've got my own ideas...
Who cuts educational investment? Republicans. It's easier to dupe and control an uneducated populous.
 
I mean you are young and have a lot more energy (Large Post) than I do. Anyway, take it as a compliment.

Ah hahah yeaaaah, that's something I need to work on. I sometimes lose track of my posts and go on too long. It stems from sitting in from of my computer displays working on my dissertation and movie editing. :eek:
 
You want to murder a baby? Well that's not okay, don't have sex if you aren't willing to accept the risks.
What about women who were raped or molested? You want them to carry the child of their attacker to term? Sorry, they do not want to "turn lemons into lemonade."

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Providing contraceptives to people who can't afford to raise a child if they fail? Yes, I think that's bad.
Providing contraceptives to people who can't afford to raise a child is bad? Umm... what kind of twisted logic is this? You just said they can't afford to raise a child. Contraceptives stop them from getting pregnant. And you say thats a bad thing? lol

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There were gay people when the constitution was written. Why didn't they write it in then?
Your logic is flawed and plan insulting. African Americans were here when the constitution was written. I would be considered property not a person. The constitution was written by straight white men for white men.
 
Ah hahah yeaaaah, that's something I need to work on. I sometimes lose track of my posts and go on too long. It stems from sitting in from of my computer displays working on my dissertation and movie editing. :eek:

Are you seriously working on a Doctorate degree, or are you just kidding around?
 
This is a pretty sad mindset you have here. It is the Government's job to provide roads, bridges, schools and all the things that you and Obama claimed "made" my business. I pay my taxes unlike many Americans so I along with many other hard working tax paying American's paid for those roads, bridges, and schools so don't give me that garbage. :rolleyes:
Even Isaac Newton had the humility to recognise his debt to his predecessors.
 
Are you seriously working on a Doctorate degree, or are you just kidding around?

No, I'm serious. Industrial Organizational Psychology :)

however, my real focus is in Clinical Psych, which pays nil, so many of "us" work in I/O (for the dark side) to support our private practices. Yes yes, we're sell outs.
 
What is hilarious, most of the businesses featured in Romney's "we built that" ads either got government loans to start their businesses or the bulk of their business are government contracts.

"Yeah! FU Obama! We built that!" LOL
 
Obama, "Hey Steve Jobs, you didn't build that!"


Time for Obama to go bye bye!

Funny how conservatives have no valid criticisms, only words taken out of context.

And sadly for you Obama is ahead in the polls, and according to a well regarded statistician, has a 67% chance of winning the election.

Romney would be a disaster for the US, like Bush was a disaster. Romney is Bush lite, same policies but no conviction. He's flip any way the wind is blowing!
 
nope!

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Your state wouldn't have an auto industry if Romney was in Charge.

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Obama is a MAC and Romney is a PC. End of discussion! :rolleyes:


Says who? Ford did not even take bailout money. GM has went back to the same practices they were doing before they needed a bailout, they learned nothing and will be in the same spot in a few years.

They should have went through bankruptcy in order to restructure in a way that would encourage growth.

I love how you point out the auto industry and look the other way when it comes to a multitude of other issues. That is the problem with you democrats and republicans.
 
Obama is probably one of the worst presidents and unfortunately our youth and minorities don't see it. Mitt Romney isn't going to be the greatest either, but I believe he is better than Obama, if anything he will at least pass a bill or two he has been talking about in the campaign, unlike Obama. .

Obama is one of the best Presidents we have ever had actually. He's mitigated the train wreck of the last administration as much as any human with an uncooperative congress could. He's kept the country safe from further terrorist attacks. He even finished the job left undone by Bush because he had given up on finding Bin laden. In addition to that, he's gone out of his way to drop stupid costly discrimination like DADT, stop defending stupid unconstitutional things like DOMA, put some credit protections in place, oh yeah...and did something about healthcare...you know...that same plan that Mitt was for (yes even nationwide) before he was against it. Something no one else was able to do for decades. That's quite a list of accomplishments. Can you name the accomplishments of the two Bush Presidents? Carter? Nixon? Ford? What do you think Romney's legacy will be...he doesn't seem to have much of one in MA, other then that whole healthcare thing. But for some strange reason, the people there don't want him back in office as President. Hmmmmmmmm

Obama is a disaster. Anyone who can't see this needs to open his eyes and look around. In 3.5 years, unemployment has gone nowhere. The housing market has gone nowhere. The only thing that's gone up is the national debt and gas prices. How much time does the guy get to make an impact? A CEO with a record like this wouldn't have lasted 3.5 years. Oh wait, I forgot about Ballmer... :eek:

Bush was a disaster too. But talking about Bush isn't going to void Obama's catastrophic record - as much as the Obama people would like to hope so. Obama has no accomplishments to speak of, so he'll just continue to talk about Bush and about how much money Romney has. Smoke and mirrors.

Romney is neither Bush nor Obama. And that's the best hope we have right now.

This country can't afford 4 more years of "Hope 'n Change."
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Do you think reversing economic ruin is like turning on a light switch? It takes TIME...a LOT of time to recover. It always takes longer to come out of these things than it does to get in them. And a do-nothing congress that wants to battle with itself does not help matters either.

Are you really crediting obama for getting Bin Laden? The only thing he said was "go." Given that information, I could have got bin laden.

Yes. You do understand the postion title is "Commander In-Chief", and that nothing happens without his orders, right? If you had given the order, or if Bush had given the order, I'd credit one of you with getting him. But you didn't. Obama however did. If Republicans had done this, they would be crowing about their superior foreign policy strategies. Problem is, they didn't and Obama has proven that more then just one party is quite capable of handling foreign affairs.
 
The MacRumors community is such an amazingly intelligent bunch of people when it comes to Computers and techy stuff.... so it amazes me to see some of the comment in this thread going south. Makes me think twice about my thoughts. Oh well. Moving on....

Mitt's supporters blame Obama for our economic woes
Obama supporters blame Bush Jr for everything.
Bush supporters blame Clinton
Clinton supporters blame Bush Sr
Bush Sr supporters blame......

It never ends. I'm always surprised to see sides being taken when the big picture is plain and simple: Blame all the politicians who have been involved in turning our country into the ground like it is today.
 
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So 8 years of Bush tanks our economy, and you blame Obama for the results of the previous 8 years?

You really think that this economy can be turned around in 4 years after Bush and his cronies destroyed the pushed us into a recession?

Do you think reversing economic ruin is like turning on a light switch? It takes TIME...a LOT of time to recover.

So how long should Obama get, in your view? Obviously more than 4. I can hear you guys now after two Obama terms and unemployment still at 8%+: "Biden for President! We need more time to clean up Bush's mess!"

Yeah, I don't think so. If you can't get any traction whatsoever in 4 years, it's time for someone else to try another approach. Obama has been a failure. Why can't you just admit that? I'm conservative and I have no problem saying Bush was a flop. Frankly he did not follow conservative fiscal values. Just like Obama. There's no need to be blinded by ideology when the numbers speak for themselves.

Who said the roads "build great businesses"? If you have a business you have infrastructure in place that helps your business operate.

Yes, and while those roads benefit us all, it's still up to the individual to take a risk and shed blood and tears to build a business. To take credit from that individual and divide it among the collective is not only blatantly unfair, but completely un-American.
 
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