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MLB 2009 Season

aloofman said:
The two things that the Dodgers completely failed at were: (1) neutralizing the Phillies' lefty sluggers, and (2) walking too many batters. Those two things combined for way too many two- and three-run homers. No way to keep pace with a team when you let that happen. How much confidence do you have in the Yankees rotation right now against a team that's hitting great? With a lineup that has lots of left-handed power? With a short porch in right in NY? Or at that bandbox in Philly?

I'm not saying the Yankees would struggle against them, but I wouldn't assume that it will be a cakewalk either. That's a series that could easily go six or seven games.
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Seeing how CC and Pettitte are left handers, that can shutdown the left handed batters. It is just a matter of will their control be effective and be able to shut them down. I have more confidence in CC then Pettitte in doing that. As Tuesday night proved, even though CC didn't have his best fastball, his control was outstanding with the withstanding high fast ball to Morales that turned into a HR.

Pettitte, while still very good this season( most of his losses in the second half seem to have come from the Yanks offense being quiet) has been touched up a few times and certainly more then CC has this season. While CC can be reliable in every inning, worry comes with Pettitte going into the 6th and 7th inning( the usual time it seems when they touch Pettitte as seen in Game 3 ALCS and the 7th inning blow when the Angels touched him for 5 runs I believe in the regular season).

Though I believe both will be good in the WS and not too much to worry about. It will rest on the Yankees offense with CC and Pettitte.

The worry comes with Burnett. When he is in control, he is super effective. But, he has thrown a lot of wild pitches and walked quite a few people. He has been better as of late with Molina as the catcher. We'll see, but if the Phillies are going to blow a game wide open, it will be with Burnett.
 
yg17 said:
Because Yankees fans are the most arrogant and cocky fans of any team in baseball. Every Yankee fan I have ever met is like that. Arrogant and cocky, and they believe that the Yankees are entitled to the World Series trophy just because they're the Yankees and have more money than god, not because they're a better team.
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As I've said before, there is nothing wrong with being cocky as long as you back it up. Do people on these forums somehow suddenly hate Steve Jobs for his arrogance? And yes I do think that they should be competing for a title every year. I'm proud of the team's history and the dominant influence they've had on this sport. I'm also proud that I have a ownership who puts the money back into the team rather than pocket the cash.

yg17 said:
It's even in this thread. A couple weeks ago a Yankee fan said the championship is going back to New York where it belongs. No, it doesn't belong to New York. It belongs to the team that wins 4 World Series games.
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That's gamesmanship. It's just having fun and you take it too seriously.
 
WE ARE GONNA BEAT THE YANKEES TONIGHT!~!!!!!!!!!


woooooo we are gonna play like this is the last game of the season!!!!!!!!! hahahahah:D:D:D:D:D:D:D


finish strong....
 
leomac08 said:
woooooo we are gonna play like this is the last game of the season!!!!!!!!!
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So you are going to mail it in.:p:D
yg17 said:
Because Yankees fans are the most arrogant and cocky fans of any team in baseball. Every Yankee fan I have ever met is like that. Arrogant and cocky, and they believe that the Yankees are entitled to the World Series trophy just because they're the Yankees and have more money than god, not because they're a better team.

It's even in this thread. A couple weeks ago a Yankee fan said the championship is going back to New York where it belongs. No, it doesn't belong to New York. It belongs to the team that wins 4 World Series games.
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You would hate to live in the northeast where Yankees and Red Sox fans roam the streets and talk crap to each other on a daily basis. It is part of the game. If you don't support your team or stick up for it what kind of fan are you. Maybe baseball is thought of differently in the midwest but up here it is taken seriously.
 
people keep talking about the yanks and how theyre stacked up. so.....the phillies arent stacked? the phils 7 and 8 batters dont hit HRs? Everybody in the order hasnt hit a HR in the post season so far? As long as the Phils pitching is solid, it will be a damn good series.
 
aloofman said:
That was pretty disappointing. Obviously the Phillies outplayed them in every way (except maybe fielding), but I wish the Dodgers had put up more of a fight than last year. On the one hand, two straight NLCS finishes is far better than they were several years ago, they have a lot of young talent, and the future looks pretty good. But I'm wondering whether the Phillies just have their number or they just look good during the regular season against a relatively weaker NL.




Last year the Rays were better than the Yankees. Remember that? It's OK. You can admit it. Last year the Phillies did face a real team and they beat them soundly. Why can't Yankee fans just admit that other teams legitimately win championships?




The two things that the Dodgers completely failed at were: (1) neutralizing the Phillies' lefty sluggers, and (2) walking too many batters. Those two things combined for way too many two- and three-run homers. No way to keep pace with a team when you let that happen. How much confidence do you have in the Yankees rotation right now against a team that's hitting great? With a lineup that has lots of left-handed power? With a short porch in right in NY? Or at that bandbox in Philly?

I'm not saying the Yankees would struggle against them, but I wouldn't assume that it will be a cakewalk either. That's a series that could easily go six or seven games.

BTW, has anyone noticed that it's been six years since a World Series went more than five games?
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gfish31 said:
people keep talking about the yanks and how theyre stacked up. so.....the phillies arent stacked? the phils 7 and 8 batters dont hit HRs? Everybody in the order hasnt hit a HR in the post season so far? As long as the Phils pitching is solid, it will be a damn good series.
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This series will be classic.:) Talking **** is all ready starting down here in Philly:D Like I said "Bring It On":cool:
 
gfish31 said:
people keep talking about the yanks and how theyre stacked up. so.....the phillies arent stacked? the phils 7 and 8 batters dont hit HRs? Everybody in the order hasnt hit a HR in the post season so far? As long as the Phils pitching is solid, it will be a damn good series.
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The Phillies do have a good lineup but they also play in a lousy division with no competition in it. The Phillies are good, no doubt, but the Yankees have two HOF in the lineup and unquestionably the best infield in baseball. You can't even compare the two pitching staffs as the only dominant pitchers in this series are Sabathia and Rivera. You also have a veteran in Pettite who's been there a lot.

The Phillies are an excellent team and are mentally tough but there is no way, only on paper, that they are as good as the Yanks. The Phils know how to win which should always be a significant conderation.
 
jecapaga said:
I count at least 4 HOF's if they play out their careers.
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A-Rod, Jeter, and Rivera( Rivera and Jeter are locked in guaranteed. A-Rod if he remains healthy and breaks into Top 5 HR) are no doubt HOF's. Tex and CC are likely candidates one day. Pettitte possible HOF.
 
yg17 said:
Because Yankees fans are the most arrogant and cocky fans of any team in baseball. Every Yankee fan I have ever met is like that. Arrogant and cocky, and they believe that the Yankees are entitled to the World Series trophy just because they're the Yankees and have more money than god, not because they're a better team.

It's even in this thread. A couple weeks ago a Yankee fan said the championship is going back to New York where it belongs. No, it doesn't belong to New York. It belongs to the team that wins 4 World Series games.
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Very true. But when they have as many as they have the years they played, it almost seems like it belongs to them. Two teams stand in their way for another ring. I hope something big happens tonight like the Yankees losing by at least five runs.
 
str1f3 said:
We aren't comparing the 2008 Yankees to the 2008 Devil Rays. Yes the Rays were a better team, that year. This is comparing the 2009 Yankees to the 2008 Devil Rays. Seriously, can you really compare those two teams? There is one team who most don't even know who's on it. The other team potentially has the all time saves leader, the all time HR leader, and the all time hits leader.
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And the Rays had a lot of people thinking they were a team of destiny last year. They weren't. The Rays WERE a very good team last season.

I assume that you're talking about Jeter becoming the hit king? That still seems unlikely at this point. He would have to maintain his career average for another 7.5 seasons to pass Rose, about which time he would turn 43. I don't think I'd bet on that at all. As Rose supposedly said, "the last 1,000 hits are the toughest."


gfish31 said:
people keep talking about the yanks and how theyre stacked up. so.....the phillies arent stacked? the phils 7 and 8 batters dont hit HRs? Everybody in the order hasnt hit a HR in the post season so far? As long as the Phils pitching is solid, it will be a damn good series.
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The Phillies are stacked, and more importantly, they're playing great right now.


str1f3 said:
The Phillies are an excellent team and are mentally tough but there is no way, only on paper, that they are as good as the Yanks. The Phils know how to win which should always be a significant conderation.
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All that matters is that the Phillies are playing almost unbeatable baseball right now. Will the Yankees or Phillies play as well as they did in this round? No way to know. The Dodgers steamrolled the Cardinals and plenty of people thought they'd overcome Philadelphia. Every series is different and momentum is only as strong as your last game. Which would you rather be: better than the Phillies right now against the Angels? Or better than the Phillies next week?
 
yg17 said:
Because Yankees fans are the most arrogant and cocky fans of any team in baseball. Every Yankee fan I have ever met is like that. Arrogant and cocky, and they believe that the Yankees are entitled to the World Series trophy just because they're the Yankees and have more money than god, not because they're a better team.

It's even in this thread. A couple weeks ago a Yankee fan said the championship is going back to New York where it belongs. No, it doesn't belong to New York. It belongs to the team that wins 4 World Series games.
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Actually we believe we are entitled to a World Series trophy because of the talent we have on our team (which was payed for by the money that God doesn't even have). It's called being a fan. We (Yankee fans) care very much for our team and want to see them win. Of course we are going to say we deserve it. I am sure as hell not saying any other team deserves it. Have you ever been a fan of anything?

And the whole bring the trophy home to New York where it belongs is just him believing we have the talent to bring it home. Don't take it so literally.
 
cycocelica said:
Actually we believe we are entitled to a World Series trophy because of the talent we have on our team (which was payed for by the money that God doesn't even have). It's called being a fan. We (Yankee fans) care very much for our team and want to see them win. Of course we are going to say we deserve it. I am sure as hell not saying any other team deserves it. Have you ever been a fan of anything?

And the whole bring the trophy home to New York where it belongs is just him believing we have the talent to bring it home. Don't take it so literally.
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No, you don't deserve it. As of right now, no one deserves it. The team that wins 4 WS games will be the team to deserve it, simple as that.

I've been a fan of the Cardinals all my life and when they were playing well over the summer I thought they might make it to the WS, hoped they did, and thought they had a shot at winning, but not once did I ever say they deserved it or are entitled to it. The best team is entitled to it, and right now there are still 3 teams competing to be the best.
 
aloofman said:
And the Rays had a lot of people thinking they were a team of destiny last year. They weren't. The Rays WERE a very good team last season.

I assume that you're talking about Jeter becoming the hit king? That still seems unlikely at this point. He would have to maintain his career average for another 7.5 seasons to pass Rose, about which time he would turn 43. I don't think I'd bet on that at all. As Rose supposedly said, "the last 1,000 hits are the toughest."
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Jeter has more hits than Rose did at this point in their careers and Rose, while great, does not nearly take car of himself as Jeter does.




aloofman said:
The Phillies are stacked, and more importantly, they're playing great right now.
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They are both playing great baseball right now. They wouldn't have got as far if they didn't. The question is how good they actually are. They played in a lousy division in a less talented league.


aloofman said:
All that matters is that the Phillies are playing almost unbeatable baseball right now. Will the Yankees or Phillies play as well as they did in this round? No way to know. The Dodgers steamrolled the Cardinals and plenty of people thought they'd overcome Philadelphia. Every series is different and momentum is only as strong as your last game. Which would you rather be: better than the Phillies right now against the Angels? Or better than the Phillies next week?
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They played unbeatable baseball against the Rockies and Dodgers. They haven't been playing a tough team like the Yanks have with the Angels. Like I said, the Phillies are good but beating the Dodgers and Rockies doesn't qualify as unbeatable when you could argue that 3/4 best teams in baseball are in the AL. Just because the Rays were mentioned as a "team of destiny" does not mean anything in the real world. They were an average team who happened to excel last year. This is not like they were playing the Yankees, Angels, or Red Sox.
 
str1f3 said:
Jeter has more hits than Rose did at this point in their careers and Rose, while great, does not nearly take car of himself as Jeter does.
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The odds are still very much against him pulling it off. He has a better chance of it than anyone has since Rose retired, maybe anyone we'll see in a long time. But seven-plus more seasons of 200 hits per? At his age? No one has ever done that. Jeter has also been extraordinarily lucky not to have been slowed down by a major injury. He would have to stay that lucky AND not deteriorate skill-wise for almost eight more years. If he "slacks off" to a mere 170 hits per season (far more likely at his age), then it will take him almost nine years. I'm not saying that I don't want him to do it, just that it's unlikely.


str1f3 said:
Just because the Rays were mentioned as a "team of destiny" does not mean anything in the real world. They were an average team who happened to excel last year. This is not like they were playing the Yankees, Angels, or Red Sox.
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An average team that's playing great is a great team at that time. For the purposes of the postseason, all that matters is how a team is playing during their current series. I'm not saying that the Yankees won't beat the Phillies. I'm saying that the strength of recent competition doesn't matter as much as how they play against their next opponent. Somehow that average team that excelled last year was better than both the Yankees and the Red Sox, but still couldn't defeat the Phillies in the week that they played them.

The champion of that inferior league has won two of the last three World Series, so it doesn't seem to matter much in a best-of-seven series.
 
any one else not having a HD picture right now i wonder if its my crappy cable company or just Fox Failing in general?
 
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