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MLB Hotstove 08

MacNut said:
That might be what the Red Sox will offer him but he will get far more elsewhere. I'd bet the Yankees will offer 5 years 20 a year.
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and that's why they're the evil empire.

they really need to get away from overpaying for older free agents 😛
 
zioxide said:
and that's why they're the evil empire.

they really need to get away from overpaying for older free agents 😛
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Well they are not signing A-Rod.😉 If the Red Sox go after A-Rod I'd say the same thing to you.


Lowell for 5 years at 20 Million is a steal compared to A-Rod.
 
Funny, a fan of the #2 payroll team accusing the #1 payroll team of inflating salaries. Earth to Boston... Earth to New York... come in please!

Stay tuned folks, this could be fun. 🙂
 
MacNut said:
Well they are not signing A-Rod.😉
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They might. Of course the Yankees will say that they aren't interested, but they have to be very conscious of how much offense they're losing if Rodriguez doesn't come back. His performance is the only reason the Yankees were within spitting distance of the playoffs. And it's very likely that they'll get less out of Giambi and Posada next year, if only for age-related reasons.

If the Yankees don't think they can acquire Cabrera or Lowell, they will be under a lot of pressure to sign Rodriguez, even without the Rangers' subsidy. No matter who else he's negotiating with, you know Boras will give the Yankees one last chance to sign him back.

IJ Reilly said:
Stay tuned folks, this could be fun. 🙂
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It already is!
 
MacNut said:
But Manny is not getting 350. A-Rod has a way of destroying clubhouses plus the media attention he will get.
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what clubhouses has arod "destroyed"? How many first ballot hall of fame short stops would move to 3rd even if they were better offensively and defensively?

You want "destroy" -- go ask jeter, the captain, why he never stuck up for the guy when the fans and media were all over him.
 
Sobe said:
what clubhouses has arod "destroyed"? How many first ballot hall of fame short stops would move to 3rd even if they were better offensively and defensively?

You want "destroy" -- go ask jeter, the captain, why he never stuck up for the guy when the fans and media were all over him.
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Because they are not as buddy buddy as they once were. A-Rod wants to be the leader of the team and he can never be that with the Yankees.
 
Rodriguez appears to me as a less obviously corrosive version of Barry Bonds. Both are extremely talented, but neither have ever won anything, and the background noise around each has consistently been that they are extremely selfish. For all their talent, it seems as if the teams each have been on are almost dragged down, not raised up, by their talent, as opposed to someone like Peyton Manning, who has consistently elevated the play of those around him (yeah, yeah, yeah, I know--different sport.....).
 
Theo's take on A Rod/Lowell

ORLANDO, Fla. - Red Sox general manager Theo Epstein spent most of yesterday at the GM meetings holed up in his hotel room, scheduling trade talks for the coming days while also “moving the ball forward a little bit” on the pending free agent cases of third baseman Mike Lowell and pitcher Curt Schilling.

Epstein had not spoken with Scott Boras, the agent for free agent third baseman Alex Rodriguez.

“If and when we do, it shouldn’t be perceived as an A-Rod meeting per se - we tend to check in with (Boras) about the current clients we have on the team and we always hear the free agent roster he has,” Epstein said.
The idea that the Sox would somehow be able to sign both Lowell and Rodriguez (to play shortstop) is not being entertained. Lowell’s agents, brothers Seth and Sam Levinson, checked into the Hyatt Grand Cypress yesterday.
With respect to third basemen, signing Mike is our clear priority,” Epstein said. “We’re going to work hard at that and really hope to get something done. I hope this doesn’t come to pass, but if he eventually signs somewhere else, then we’ll explore other options, but really, right now, we’re focused on trying to sign Mike.”
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Naimfan said:
Rodriguez appears to me as a less obviously corrosive version of Barry Bonds. Both are extremely talented, but neither have ever won anything, and the background noise around each has consistently been that they are extremely selfish. For all their talent, it seems as if the teams each have been on are almost dragged down, not raised up, by their talent, as opposed to someone like Peyton Manning, who has consistently elevated the play of those around him (yeah, yeah, yeah, I know--different sport.....).
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check out 2002 and the Giants, particularly bonds vs the angels.

He carried that team and barely lost.

In the WS, Bonds hit .471 with 4 HR and 6 RBI along with 13 walks.

That's a tidy OBP of .556.
 
Bonds play on the field made everyone around him better. I think the same can be said of Rodriguez. Whether they get along with everyone in the clubhouse or are the kind of person who you want to be around is another thing altogether. Who cares about the latter other than the gossip columnists who masquerade as sports reporters these days?
 
Sayhey said:
Bonds play on the field made everyone around him better. I think the same can be said of Rodriguez. Whether they get along with everyone in the clubhouse or are the kind of person who you want to be around is another thing altogether. Who cares about the latter other than the gossip columnists who masquerade as sports reporters these days?
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Team chemistry is important.

This reminds me of a quote from the 2004 WS DVD.

"Teams with cliques don't win."
 
IJ Reilly said:
I don't know if I can explain it, but they were removed for a couple of seasons but now they're back.

And the reason for this question?
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No reason, I'm a bit slow and haven't watched much of the NL West.

aloofman said:
They tried that for one year, I think, then went back to putting the names on. It was an effort to be more traditional, since the Dodgers didn't have names on their uniforms until the early 1970s. It wasn't popular with anyone though, so they switched back.
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To be honest, the uniform looks better without the name on the back. It just looks cleaner.
 
IJ Reilly said:
It can be a pain in the neck for fans though. We can't all remember every player number.
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Is this the home or road uniforms? The Giants have gone to home uniforms without names, but have the names on the road uniforms for fans who we wouldn't expect to know all of the players.
 
Sayhey said:
Is this the home or road uniforms? The Giants have gone to home uniforms without names, but have the names on the road uniforms for fans who we wouldn't expect to know all of the players.
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We were discussing the Dodgers home uniforms. They took the names off for a 2 season and now they're back on.
 
zioxide said:
Team chemistry is important.

This reminds me of a quote from the 2004 WS DVD.

"Teams with cliques don't win."
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Team chemistry is important. On the field. Players can hate each other and still do extremely well together (the A's and Yankees in the 70s, etc.) Not that cutting each other's throats in the press will help any team, but as far as I know neither ARod or Bonds are guilty of that.
 
marlins should just have sign that says "contract me"

look at this from today's miami herald. things are a total mess, and south florida is officially a sports wasteland now. add that to the miguel and dontrelle trade rumors and rising prices and you have yourself no more fans for this team.

League worried about Marlins' OB site
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BY CLARK SPENCER
cspencer@MiamiHerald.com

ORLANDO -- The Orange Bowl site is not the best option for a new Marlins ballpark, a top executive with Major League Baseball said Tuesday. But it will have to do if the team wants to build a proposed 37,000-seat, retractable-roof stadium in South Florida.

''The [financial projections] would suggest that the Orange Bowl site would not necessarily generate as much as downtown,'' said Bob DuPuy, president and chief executive officer of MLB. ``We hope we're wrong. We all hope that the Orange Bowl site will be every bit as good as downtown. But there are concerns about it.''

Miami city leaders were told last month that the Marlins planned to trim their contribution to any stadium built on the Orange Bowl site, which became available when the University of Miami announced plans to leave.

The Marlins always have preferred a downtown Miami site for a new ballpark.

But DuPuy said the team has ''accepted the Orange Bowl site'' and discussions are continuing to work on a plan to finance construction.

''Believe me, nothing has ever been in concrete,'' said DuPuy, who is attending the annual general managers' meeting. ``This has been a lava light in terms of trying to put the financing together.''

He said he has had ''a number of talks'' during the past week with Miami-Dade County manager George Burgess, as well as other government officials.

''We have discussed several concepts over the course of the last month or so, and we're going to continue to do that,'' DuPuy said. ``The commissioner, this is very high on his radar screen right now.''

But DuPuy said there are no plans to set a deadline for any deal to get done.

''The commissioner refuses to give up. I refuse to give up,'' DuPuy said. ``At some point, though, maybe someone will say for as hard as we've tried, as long as we've tried, it's not going to happen. But we're not ready to concede that yet.''
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furcalchick said:
look at this from today's miami herald. things are a total mess, and south florida is officially a sports wasteland now. add that to the miguel and dontrelle trade rumors and rising prices and you have yourself no more fans for this team.
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they are raising prices but wont pay to keep good players?

why don't they just move that team or something? or get an owner that's not so ****ing cheap.

on espn they were saying he likes to keep the payroll around 30 million. that's like 2 players.
 
Here's hoping the Yankees don't go crazy over Miguel Cabrera. Talented but apparently undisciplined, and Cashman is saying they don't want to break up the core of young players they have. Hope he can stick to it.....
 
Sayhey said:
I like the no name version. Home town fans should be expected to learn who the players are on their own team.
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I know the numbers of most if not all of the regulars, but with my eyesight it's easier to identify who's trotting out to left field or who is warming up in the bullpen if both the name and number is on the uniform. Occasionally I bring binoculars to the games but I hate to lug them.
 
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