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look at this from today's miami herald. things are a total mess, and south florida is officially a sports wasteland now. add that to the miguel and dontrelle trade rumors and rising prices and you have yourself no more fans for this team.

Sad to say for Florida's baseball fans, but it just doesn't seem like a viable baseball market. Both the Marlins and Rays are just kind of limping along and you wonder how long it can last. At what point does someone at MLB finally realize that it's not working there.

On the other hand, how many viable markets are there for a team to move to? Portland? Las Vegas? Indianapolis? Vancouver? Sacramento and Charlotte as real long shots? The options are pretty limited. With the amount of cash flying around baseball these days, I seriously doubt anyone will get contracted. I think they'll subsidize teams for quite a while before moving them.
 
they are raising prices but wont pay to keep good players?

why don't they just move that team or something? or get an owner that's not so ****ing cheap.

on espn they were saying he likes to keep the payroll around 30 million. that's like 2 players.

loria and co. are cheap, very cheap. and 30 million payrolls mean you'll be dumping all the talent come arbitration time and just be everyone else's 4A team. time to get loria out of the marlins and give someone else a chance, since all he wants to do is destroy the team...and probably move them.

this makes me want a salary floor of 40 million more than anything, make them spend a bit for players instead of being so cheap that all you can afford is rookies and has been losers.
 
I know the numbers of most if not all of the regulars, but with my eyesight it's easier to identify who's trotting out to left field or who is warming up in the bullpen if both the name and number is on the uniform. Occasionally I bring binoculars to the games but I hate to lug them.

Don't they have a huge scoreboard in Dodger Stadium? I rely on that and the public address announcer when my eyes fail me. Believe me I sympathize with the eyesight problem, but I still like the look of the no-name unis better.
 
they are raising prices but wont pay to keep good players?

why don't they just move that team or something? or get an owner that's not so ****ing cheap.

on espn they were saying he likes to keep the payroll around 30 million. that's like 2 players.

Must be a Miami thing because the same thing is happening with the Dolphins. It starts with an ownership that's committed to winning,or at least being above .500
 
Must be a Miami thing because the same thing is happening with the Dolphins. It starts with an ownership that's committed to winning,or at least being above .500

blame hyzengia (aka crater face) for both the dolphins and the marlins. he destroyed the fish before selling them off and is destroying the fins now.
 
Don't they have a huge scoreboard in Dodger Stadium? I rely on that and the public address announcer when my eyes fail me. Believe me I sympathize with the eyesight problem, but I still like the look of the no-name unis better.

Well yes, but they are not going to tell you who is warming up in the bullpen, and they also don't normally announce substitutions until the player is at his position (that's a rule, is it not?). Last season the Dodgers installed new scoreboards on the left and right field walls which are supposed to tell us about the current batter and pitcher, but I find them hard to read, even though my seats are right behind home plate.

Sure, the uniforms look better without the names (especially if the name is something like "Grudzelanic") -- I just prefer to have the information they provide.
 
The soap opera continues

Will Yankees Offer Arbitration To A-Rod?
Will Carroll of Baseball Prospectus tell us not to expect the Yankees to offer arbitration with Alex Rodriguez and Scott Boras. However, Brian Cashman told Joel Sherman "of course" the Yankees would offer it, because of the two draft picks involved.

Sherman notes that there's a "very slim possibility" of Rodriguez accepting, and then getting a $30-40MM one-year contract as a result of the hearing. He adds that A-Rod would lose his no-trade clause in this scenario. This would be a great scenario for the Yankees. Rodriguez on any kind of one-year commitment is a sweet deal, and he'd be very trade-able. One year, $40MM is a lot easier to stomach for any team than 10 years, $300MM.

If they do offer arbitration and A-Rod declines (the most likely scenario), the Yankees will hope for one of the teams picking 16th-30th in next June's draft to sign him. That could be the Cubs, Tigers, Mets, Angels, or Red Sox. In those cases the Yankees get that team's first-round pick. On the flip side, it would not be preferred if the Dodgers, Giants, or any other team picking 1st-15th signs him. Those picks are protected.
 
Here's hoping the Yankees don't go crazy over Miguel Cabrera. Talented but apparently undisciplined, and Cashman is saying they don't want to break up the core of young players they have. Hope he can stick to it.....

I've also heard the yankees are looking at white sox 3rd baseman Joe Crede.

I dont see the big deal in trading somebody like hughes or Kennedy if they get somebody good in return.

Theres been rumors of kazmir to NY but the yanks wont give up Hughes....Now thats Insane! Kazmir is a proven cy young type pitcher, while hughes could still go either way.
The only guy I think the yanks should keep is Joba..the others can be expendable for the right price.
 
Well since the Marlins like trading all their big names away for minor league prospects, maybe the Sox can swing a deal for Jed Lowrie + Justin Masterson for Hanley Ramirez. :p

that would be epic.

Then Julio Lugo could start selling Fenway Franks in the right field bleacher seats.
 
They may not be as hot for Crede as believed:

Yankees Aiming Higher Than Crede
According to Ken Davidoff of Newsday, the Yankees aren't likely to trade for Joe Crede. They're aiming for bigger fish like Mike Lowell, Adrian Beltre, Miguel Cabrera, and Scott Rolen. Garrett Atkins has been deemed unavailable. Additionally, Kenny Williams hopes to deal Crede relatively quickly and the Yankees are in no rush to fill their third base vacancy. Maybe the Phillies will jump into the fray for Crede.

Lowell at least won't involve giving up young talent. But there are some questions about how he'd hit away from Fenway. And we're talking four or even five years to lure him. Beltre would be a fine acquisition and is affordable, though I don't know why the Mariners would part with him. And the Ms would want at least one blue-chipper, I'd imagine. The Yanks would have to mortgage tons of young talent for Cabrera. Davidoff's dark horse, Rolen, suddenly makes the most sense. It would be a salary dump and a health risk, but 3/36 isn't that scary for the Yanks. And it's less than Lowell would sign for.

Davidoff has a tidbit at the end of his column, a one-liner, that the Yanks are likely to re-sign Mariano Rivera at three years, $40MM soon. I'm surprised Newsday didn't call more attention to that part.
 
There's actually interest in Clement

Clement Drawing Interest From Padres, Royals
Matt Clement is an interesting rehab project. The 33-year old had rotator cuff and labrum surgery, and was last seen topping out at 87 in September. With the right strengthening work, plus the National League, he could be a nice surprise in 2008.

I'm sure he wants to start, so there wouldn't be a fit with the Red Sox. Nick Cafardo says the Padres and Royals are in on him so far. It wouldn't be surprising to see the Nationals get involved. I think Clement will land in San Diego with $2-3MM guaranteed and maybe another $3MM in incentives. He came up through the Padres' system, taking his lumps before being traded for Mark Kotsay. He's going to have to reinvent himself as a finesse guy with good control. Wade Miller was a somewhat similar case; he wasn't able to do it.
 
More about Cabrera's availability from a Southern California baseball perspective:

Miguel Cabrera's on the market

Marlins third baseman is younger and cheaper than A-Rod, but Dodgers and Angels would have to give up prospects to get him

November 8, 2007

The Dodgers and Angels are in pursuit of an All-Star third baseman, one who could fill a long-standing vacancy for an elite power hitter.

Not Alex Rodriguez. That could come later. Miguel Cabrera could come sooner, forcing the Dodgers and Angels to consider whether to trade three top youngsters for Cabrera or keep prospects for the chance to spend perhaps 10 times as much on Rodriguez.

The Florida Marlins jolted this week's meeting of general managers in Orlando, Fla., putting Cabrera on the trading block and sending teams in search of a third baseman scrambling to consider a powerful alternative to Rodriguez. The Dodgers, Angels, New York Yankees, Boston Red Sox, Chicago White Sox and San Francisco Giants are expected to consider trading for Cabrera.

The price would be steep. The Marlins are believed to covet high-quality, low-cost talent at pitcher, third base, catcher and center field. They hope to trade Cabrera for three players, with at least two able to contribute at the major league level next season, a baseball source said.

The Dodgers could be asked for outfielder Matt Kemp, third baseman Andy LaRoche and pitcher Chad Billingsley or top pitching prospect Clayton Kershaw, although one official familiar with the Dodgers' thinking said the team probably would consider that price "too much." The Angels could be asked for their top two prospects -- third baseman Brandon Wood and pitcher Nick Adenhart -- and one of their two catchers, Mike Napoli or Jeff Mathis.

As of Wednesday afternoon, the Marlins were believed to be determining which teams would be interested, the step preceding submission of specific trade proposals.

On the Rodriguez front, Angels General Manager Tony Reagins has confirmed the Angels' interest in Rodriguez and has met briefly with his agent, Scott Boras, in Orlando. Dodgers General Manager Ned Colletti said he has not met with Boras in Orlando.

"The meetings have been very introductory," Reagins said. "We did talk about Alex, but in very general terms."

The Dodgers called the Marlins about Cabrera regularly last season, and they were told every time the Marlins had no interest in trading him.

Colletti repeatedly warned last season that he would not trade his best young players for a player one year -- or less -- from free agency. Cabrera must wait another two years before free agency

"It changes the dynamic if you have a player with you for a while," Colletti said in a telephone interview Wednesday.

Colletti spoke in general terms and would not discuss Cabrera specifically.

Reagins would not discuss Cabrera in particular, but he said the Angels have talked to several teams about power hitters, not necessarily third basemen.

"We're not limited to third base," he said.

Cabrera is 24, a four-time All-Star, yet just five months older than LaRoche and three weeks younger than Mathis. He played left field on the Marlins' 2003 World Series championship team and right field the next year, then moved back to his original position of third base.

He hit .320 with 34 home runs and 119 runs batted in last season, driving in at least 110 runs for the fourth consecutive season. His career statistics at his age are most comparable to Hank Aaron, Ken Griffey and Frank Robinson, according to baseball-reference.com.

But Cabrera stands to make about $11 million in arbitration next season, a prohibitive figure for the cost-conscious Marlins, and weight and conditioning concerns could force teams to move him to first base -- or, in the case of an American League team, to designated hitter.

Rodriguez is believed to be asking $300 million over 10 years. The financial commitment to Cabrera would be limited to about $25 million over two years.

That could leave the Dodgers plenty of dollars to sign a free-agent center fielder, with Torii Hunter, Andruw Jones, Aaron Rowand and Japan's Kosuke Fukudome among candidates of interest, and address pitching depth, perhaps with Japanese right-handers Hiroki Kuroda or Masahide Kobayashi.

"That's an obvious consideration," Colletti said. "It's one of the things we always have to gauge."

The Dodgers' interest in third basemen appears to leave six-time All-Star Nomar Garciaparra in limbo. The Dodgers owe him $8.5 million next season, after he hit .283 with seven home runs last season.

Colletti declined to discuss the Dodgers' plans for Garciaparra.

"We're looking to improve the club any way we can," Colletti said. "We'll be open-minded. We'll go from there."

As expected, Angels center fielder Gary Matthews Jr. met with representatives of the commissioner's office to discuss allegations he ordered human growth hormone. An MLB spokesman confirmed the meeting took place but declined to comment further. Scott Leventhal, the agent for Matthews, did not return a call for comment.

http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-cabrera8nov08,1,7806875.story

BTW, does anybody remember my mentioning during the season the possibility that the Marlins would try to trade Cabrera before he became free agent?
 
More about Cabrera's availability from a Southern California baseball perspective:



http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-cabrera8nov08,1,7806875.story

BTW, does anybody remember my mentioning during the season the possibility that the Marlins would try to trade Cabrera before he became free agent?

Well, I don't think you were the only one who was predicting that. Even when the Marlins were denying they would trade him, you had to figure they'd listen to offers eventually. That team is too miserly to keep a guy who will make eight figures even in artbitration.
 
Asking price for Cabrera is high

Miguel Cabrera Trade Rumors

For up for auction: two years of Miguel Cabrera. Who's going to place a bid? The latest buzz from Joe Capozzi is that the Dodgers, Angels, Giants, Yankees, Red Sox, and White Sox are all after him. A deal could happen at the Winter Meetings from December 3-6. The needs for the Marlins are starting pitching, third base, catcher, and center field. They want three players.

* Dodgers: Capozzi's source says they're "making a big push" for Cabrera, after calling about him last summer. This could even involve a package deal with Dontrelle Willis. The names being thrown around: Matt Kemp, Andre Ethier, Andy LaRoche, Chad Billingsley, Clayton Kershaw, Scott Elbert, and Jonathan Meloan. I can't see the Dodgers trading Billingsley; he's integral to the 2008 team. Dodgers side note: Bill Shaikin names Kosuke Fukudome as someone the Dodgers are monitoring.
* Angels: Capozzi says Cabrera could be the Angels' alternative if they fail to sign Alex Rodriguez. Bill Shaikin speculates on Brandon Wood, Nick Adenhart, and Mike Napoli/Jeff Mathis/Hank Conger. I'd make that deal.
* Giants: Cabrera could be their new Face of the Franchise, but it's tough to see this happening without Tim Lincecum or Matt Cain.
* Yankees: Joe Girardi managed him with the Marlins and speaks highly of him. The Yanks have already touched base about Cabrera with the Fish. It sounds like the Yankees will trade Melky Cabrera, but are very reluctant to trade Joba Chamberlain, Phil Hughes, or Ian Kennedy. I could see them relenting on Kennedy. Capozzi mentions their second tier of prospects - Alan Horne, Humberto Sanchez, Ross Ohlendorf, and Jose Tabata. Nah.
* Red Sox: Any big name, the Yankees and Red Sox have to at least check in. If the Sox somehow don't retain Mike Lowell, they could move on to Cabrera. The price is said to be Jacoby Ellsbury plus Jon Lester or Clay Buchholz. I don't see the Red Sox doing it.
* White Sox: Ozzie Guillen is friends with Cabrera and sure, the White Sox love him. Any package would have to start with Josh Fields, but I'm still not sure they have the goods even if they add Lance Broadway and Gio Gonzalez to the package.
* Indians: Capozzi doesn't mention them, but Paul Hoynes says they'll inquire. The Tribe has some expendable guys but a deal might have to start with Adam Miller.

No way I see the Red Sox parting with Ellsbury and Lester or Buchholz.
 
ORLANDO, Fla. -- General managers decided Thursday that first- and third-base coaches will wear some sort of head protection during games next season, an action taken four months after Mike Coolbaugh was killed when he was struck in the neck by a line drive.

Coolbaugh, a former major leaguer and a coach for the Colorado Rockies' minor league team in Tulsa, died July 22 when he was hit as he stood in the first-base coach's box during a Texas League game at Arkansas. Some major league coaches started wearing helmets the rest of the season.

"There was a sentiment that as a concept this was a good idea," said Joe Garagiola Jr., senior vice president for baseball operations in the commissioner's office.

GMs will decide on the exact form of protection when they meet next month at the winter meetings.

"We're going to come back in Nashville with some options: liners, hard caps, helmets without flaps, helmets with flaps," Garagiola said.

While no formal vote was taken, Garagiola said the sentiment of the GMs was clear.

"Everybody just felt it was a situation that made sense," Detroit Tigers president Dave Dombrowski said.

Many batters started wearing helmets after Ray Chapman, a shortstop for the Cleveland Indians, was killed when he was hit by a pitch during a game in 1920. A rule requiring helmets for batters was adopted in 1971.

"If you think about the evolution of the batting helmet, unfortunately what ended up happening this year is essentially what happened with Ray Chapman," Oakland general manager Billy Beane said. "I think we need to come up with a recommendation."

Garagiola said the recommendation adopted by the GMs next month will not need additional approvals.
 
Well, I don't think you were the only one who was predicting that. Even when the Marlins were denying they would trade him, you had to figure they'd listen to offers eventually. That team is too miserly to keep a guy who will make eight figures even in artbitration.

Yeah, maybe -- but I was the first to mention it here. ;)
 
Asking price for Cabrera is high

I don't see the Dodgers giving up Billingsley either. I can see giving up Ethier or Kemp but not both, plus some minor leaguers. I'm still not sure where they would play Cabrera at this point. No one likes his defense at third and Loney would seem to have first locked up. Maybe in left? But then if they sign a fielder too, no way you want Pierre's arm in right. So many variables.



ORLANDO, Fla. -- General managers decided Thursday that first- and third-base coaches will wear some sort of head protection during games next season, an action taken four months after Mike Coolbaugh was killed when he was struck in the neck by a line drive.

Vin Scully has been after them about this for years.
 
I don't see the Dodgers giving up Billingsley either. I can see giving up Ethier or Kemp but not both, plus some minor leaguers. I'm still not sure where they would play Cabrera at this point. No one likes his defense at third and Loney would seem to have first locked up. Maybe in left? But then if they sign a fielder too, no way you want Pierre's arm in right. So many variables.

Agreed. Who gives up starting pitchers these days, especially young, competent starting pitchers? I'd be surprised if the Dodgers gave up any of their top pitching prospects either.

Trading for Cabrera and then not playing him where the team has a gap seems like folly to me. I expect a lot of changes on the club this year, but I hope they don't try a bunch of wholesale juggling just to accommodate one player. That kind of thing starts looking desperate in a hurry.
 
Back to where it all began:

Park Returns to Dodgers
By Kim Tong-hyung
Staff Reporter

With his Major League Baseball (MLB) career hanging by a thread, Park Chan-ho is heading back to where the magic all started.

The 33-year-old South Korean said Thursday he signed a contract with the Los Angeles Dodgers, where he started his Major League career in 1994, and expected to join the team in spring camp.

Team 61, Park's domestic management agency, declined to reveal the terms of the deal, including whether it's a minor league contract or a split contract, which would provide Park a higher rate of pay if added to the Major League roster.

Park, in an entry in his Weblog, said his salary would be similar to a ``rookie on the start.''

``Dodgers Town is the spring camp venue where I first started my Major League dreams,'' Park said. ``The terms of the contract are similar to a rookie on the start, but the important thing is that I will be able to play for a team that I always missed.''
 
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