Mobile Networks in Multiple Countries Display 'Stay Home' Message When Users Connect to Cellular Instead of WiFi

[parfy]

I'm stuck at home anyway, as my job involves a lot of frequent travelling to and from London, but when I travel I always have wifi OFF.. I never use unsecure Wifi anywhere at all, that way I'm less vulnerable and use my old Blackberry if I have to get out my phone in London.
Stay safe everybody !

Do you deem London to be less safe than where you are at home?

 

[Init0101]

Yeah and Greece!

 

[Reason077]

I know people who keep WIFI turned off on their iPhones all the time. They think it will save battery (?)

These people will be disappointed to learn that in recent iOS versions the "WiFi off" button doesn’t actually turn off the WiFi chip, it just disconnects from known networks for 1 day.

Same applies for Bluetooth - these days, the button just disconnects device connections.

Only the “Airplane mode” button really powers down the chips/radios.
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I'm stuck at home anyway, as my job involves a lot of frequent travelling to and from London, but when I travel I always have wifi OFF.. I never use unsecure Wifi anywhere at all, that way I'm less vulnerable and use my old Blackberry if I have to get out my phone in London.
Stay safe everybody !

What grade of aluminium foil makes the best hats?

 

[ignatius345]

Sounds like Japanese internment camps. Let's not even go there. That was a shameful time for America. There does need to be some sort of penalty, though. That I agree.

No. Nobody wants to go there. And fortunately most people, at least where I live, have been sticking with social distancing. The police are out in the parks and public spaces reminding people not to gather. This phone banner seems pretty similar: a reminder and a reinforcement that the norm, temporarily, is to stay away from others.

 

[parfy]

These people will be disappointed to learn that in recent iOS versions the WiFi off butting doesn’t actually turn off the WiFi chip, it just disconnects from known networks for 1 day.

Same applies for Bluetooth - these days, the button just disconnects device connections.

Only the “Airplane mode” button really powers down the chips/radios.
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What grade of aluminium foil makes the best hats?

I’m pretty sure if you go into settings and turn them off it does actually turn them off rather than from the control centre thing.

 

[Norwegian_Imposter]

I assume this isn't going to appear in Norway

 

[chucker23n1]

I’m pretty sure if you go into settings and turn them off it does actually turn them off rather than from the control centre thing.

Yup. To turn radios off, you need to go to settings.

(You can also do Airplane Mode from Control Center if you want to turn all radios off.)

 

[WWPD]

I was hoping it was #GotTP?

 

[rumormiller]

1. I'm relatively young and healthy, but that doesn't mean I can't touch viral particles from others in public and spread them to others, or be infected myself (especially because many people are asymptomatic but infectious for a while) and spread it to others, who will then die if they're infected. I don't want to kill other people, and I hope you don't either.
2. Lots of people have already gotten sick (422,000 confirmed, the actual number is much higher because of limited testing), quite a number of them have died (18,900), and the nature of infectious diseases and the data we've seen day after day, shows pretty horrifying exponential growth in terms of both of these things.
3. The situation is the result of a very infectious virus with a relatively high hospitalisation and mortality rate, changing occupational licensing (if that's what you're getting at?) isn't going to help very much here.
4. So much of the issue here is not just the number of people who will inevitably die if they're infected, but those who will need intensive hospital care to survive, and that if we don't work hard to cut the number of new infections, the number of people who need that care will quickly overwhelm the ability of healthcare systems to handle them, meaning a lot of completely avoidable deaths. This is the situation Italy has been in for a while now as they didn't lock down sooner, and the data indicates a similar fate is heading a lot of our ways.
   
   So, now imagine that situation in rural areas, which are very often seriously underserved medically, with very few hospitals/beds etc. Still seem like it doesn't matter there?

Also, if we allow the virus to spread freely with each person infected acting as an incubator the risk is of more deadly strains of the virus appearing.

It wasn't the first wave of the 1918 Influenza pandemic that was so deadly but the second wave that killed the most productive, most healthy aged 20-40 within 24 hours of infection.

 

[ignatius345]

How much social engineering will people take before they rise up against the police state?

I think a much better question is how many hundreds of thousands will have to die before people take public health and safety measures seriously?

 

[ElectricPotato]

hacked with a hashtag

This is a phrase for our times. T-shirts and bumper stickers soon to follow.

 

[RemE]

umm, crap!, (smacks forehead), what am I doing using cellular...

#assnine concept of the day.

 

[siddavis]

In the real world, there are no absolutes. The infection could be transmitted by aid givers, by UPS drivers, by postal workers, etc. Where they got it from who can say, but what is certain is if we can stop the chain of infection at any point, so that it never ends up reaching that elderly person, a life can be saved.

Nobody intends to infect an at-risk person with such a dangerous illness (at least I should hope not, good lord...), but mistakes can happen. That's why we need to each do our part, to reduce the odds of such a mistake as much as possible.

Plus, we also need to give our medical system, and the medical systems around the world, the time they need to come up with effective treatments which could potentially make this disease less life-threatening for them, and save lives.

Here's an absolute... shutting down the global economy will affect EVERYONE, and many with dire/life-threatening effects. But thanks for taking care of all of us with your absolute order.
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Seems self-evident. Doesn't mean it's systematically the right move.



This world is overrun by arrogant, percept-bound, tribalistic, so-called 'thinkers' who see the world as either democrat or republican.

It would benefit them to pick up a book and turn off the TV or something.

And if you had the first clue about me, you'd know there is no-one who holds him and his BS to higher account. Not that that fact actually matters in this tribalistic "if you disagree with me, you must be on the 'other side,' and therefore an idiot, and probably a racist/everything else-ist too" society.



That very phrase is an absolute. Furthermore, everything in the real world is absolute, if the topic in question is properly understood and contextualized.



My point is that especially in rural areas, people are distanced by nature. Besides, people can calculate risk for themselves in places where such risk avoidance is possible, i.e. outside of cities, where it's damn near impossible to distance yourself from anyone in a meaningful way.

Also, it's important to notice this society's inclination to focus not on the cause of this problem -- massive, life restricting regulation, most notably in the form of the FDA restricting the right to produce and use testing kits and N95 masks in this particular instance -- and instead focus on how we can further control or restrict the right of people to act for their benefit. Companies in the technology sector, for example, which is very largely unregulated, is incredibly rapidly to adapt to incredibly complex changing circumstances. That type of free action is not available to someone entering the healthcare field, which violates their right to act freely according to their judgement, and impedes our ability to rapidly react to crises such as this one.

Every once in a while, there are a perfect storm of consequences for the evasions most engage in to justify these immoral regulatory apparatuses, and this is the consequence. Hell, many will rationalize the evil of these organizations right in the face of this crisis. Reality's justice knows no compromise, and recognizes no-one's evasions...

Certainly no-one wants to see people die, but it's proper to frame this disease in the full context. This virus, as far as we know, is particularly aggressive against people who are older, immunocompromised, or who have pre-existing conditions or complications. It's worse than a flu for younger, healthier people, but I don't believe there's been a case of anyone dying under age 40 who didn't have a severe complication.

Those facts are important to keep in mind when were talking about shutting down an economy (which, as it so happens, is the means by which we produce the technology, goods and services we need to keep ourselves safe from this thing to begin with. Notice the stores all sold out of essential products), and that Cost has to be weighed against how many people would likely be saved and what could those specific people have done differently to prevent themselves from getting sick to begin with? It makes much more sense to me to make sure people who are particularly at risk are well aware of this fact, so they can make the decision to remove themselves from the danger that exists in society, without everyone shutting down, and destroying their ability not only to make a livelihood for themselves, but supply the goods and services need to not only survive this, but thrive.



The inability to test is the most proximate cause of the problem we're facing right now. If we knew who was sick, it would be exceedingly easy and proper to mandate a self quarantine for those individuals. The question is: Why don't we have those kits?







It’s not that it “doesn’t matter there.” My point is not that people in rural areas don't get sick, my point is it's much easier to distance yourself from other people in those settings than it is in the city, and therefore, your likelihood of contracting the disease to begin with as far lower. Furthermore, it's important to understand that the likelihood of someone contracting the disease to a point where their health is severely compromised, to a point where their life is threatened is also severely low. Holding that in mind, and comparing it against the likelihood of somebody not being able to pay for a credit card bill, or pay off their mortgage bill for the month, or pay the rent for the month, or maybe their business goes bankrupt, or maybe they lose their job, or maybe they don't get their paycheck from their job that week, and so they can't afford the other bills, etc. etc. These are all important factors to keep in mind when weighing what we should do.

The likelihood of somebody having severe financial damage, or even bankruptcy, however, is far higher than it is for someone to contract the disease and die from it. Now, if you're someone at risk, that doesn't mean you should go out with reckless abandon just pay a couple bills. This is something which has to be decided on an individual level, which is the exact case that I’m making here, for areas where distancing is possible.

And as for the ability of these facilities to handle the inflow of people which… Isn’t likely if proper distancing and hygiene is practiced… The aforementioned ability to increase staff significantly by reducing OL requirements certainly exists, and wages per hour can certainly adjust to incentivize intelligent people to take those jobs, even if on a temporary basis.

You need to stop being so darn pragmatic. 😄
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I think a much better question is how many hundreds of thousands will have to die before people take public health and safety measures seriously?

Every day we all make risk calculations. Is it so wrong to consider and have a dialogue about the ramifications of the actions taken in my/your/everyone's names? What about public economic health? Can we not have a serious discussion about it? Apparently not, it's just "shut it down because I said so and because I'm scared and I will not listen to anyone else".

 

[alexandr]

get the f-k out of my phone)))

 

[chucker23n1]

Here's an absolute... shutting down the global economy will affect EVERYONE, and many with dire/life-threatening effects. But thanks for taking care of all of us with your absolute order.

Yes, your grandma and your cousin with diabetes died, but at least the economy has been saved.

 

[ZZ9pluralZalpha]

It’s a PSA now, but just wait until the carriers decide to keep using the space for a teensy additional bit of ad revenue...

 

[Emanuel Rodriguez]

Here in Egypt it’s displaying whether you have WiFi on or off.

Some networks say “Stay Safe” and some “Stay Home“

Fake news. This has nothing to do with turning off WiFi. Have been on WiFi for days, don’t even have access to cellular data right now (haven’t booked a data package) and this nonsense hashtag still showed up this evening.

I'm betting that this is because of Wi-Fi Calling, which still communicates with your carrier, and puts on a carrier-specific label, even on Wi-Fi. Do you have it enabled?

 

[1204932]

When you're connected to a Wi-Fi, you can tap the ℹ︎ next it and then "Forget This Network".

Yup, I'm aware. The problem is you have to be connected to the network to do it otherwise you're out of luck which is ridiculous. If the WiFi router dies, or your phone dies, before you forget the network, or if you simply forget, etc. ... now you're stuck with a saved WiFi network you don't want. iOS is the only OS I know of that doesn't allow the user to view, edit and delete saved Wi-Fi networks without being connected to that network. Seems odd that it hasn't been added by now.

 

[chucker23n1]

Yup, I'm aware. The problem is you have to be connected to the network to do it otherwise you're out of luck which is ridiculous. If the WiFi router dies, or your phone dies, before you forget the network, or if you simply forget, etc. ... now you're stuck with a saved WiFi network you don't want. iOS is the only OS I know of that doesn't allow the user to view, edit and delete saved Wi-Fi networks without being connected to that network. Seems odd that it hasn't been added by now.

Yeah, it is kinda weird.

You can remove all networks by resetting network settings, or you can use an iCloud-synced Mac to edit the networks there. But, for whatever reason, no way to just remove any selected network.

 

[siddavis]

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Yes, your grandma and your cousin with diabetes died, but at least the economy has been saved.

Cute. Clever. Still not a dialogue. The economy is not shareholder value. It is everything underlying a civil society. I can do the same, "Yes, the planet got destroyed. But for a beautiful moment in time we ALL indiscriminately stayed indoors, scared of something with a 3-4% mortality rate."

 

[chucker23n1]

Cute. Clever. Still not a dialogue. The economy is not shareholder value. It is everything underlying a civil society.

Well, there's a lot more to society than the economy.

I can do the same, "Yes, the planet got destroyed. But for a beautiful moment in time we ALL indiscriminately stayed indoors, scared of something with a 3-4% mortality rate."

3-4% doesn't sound like much, but US test results seems to be stabilizing at about 15% testing positive.

That's 49 million people. 3.5% of that? 1.7 million people. Is that an OK death count, for the sake of The Economy™?

 

[cbusbuck]

Extremism in defense of liberty is no vice. So what if people die? People die because that's what people do! Liberty and rights, on the other hand, are far more precious. Rights should always be prioritized over lives. If there is no liberty, there shouldn't be life. 'Merika, fock yeah!

 

[cmaier]

Extremism in defense of liberty is no vice. So what if people die? People die because that's what people do! Liberty and rights, on the other hand, are far more precious. Rights should always be prioritized over lives. If there is no liberty, there shouldn't be life. 'Merika, fock yeah!

I sure hope this is satire.

 

[cbusbuck]

I sure hope this is satire.

It was indeed, but sadly also an accurate summary of the ideological hyper-puritanism that prevails in America.

 

[siddavis]

Well, there's a lot more to society than the economy.



3-4% doesn't sound like much, but US test results seems to be stabilizing at about 15% testing positive.

That's 49 million people. 3.5% of that? 1.7 million people. Is that an OK death count, for the sake of The Economy™?

No doubt there is more to overall society than the economy... but I said civil society. Good luck maintaining order when people are eating canned dog food (and that could be a luxury).

I was being VERY generous with 3-4%. That is of those tested. It is far far far more likely that the actual rate is much lower.