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MobileMe's Push Services Detailed, No Mac to Mobile Me 'Push'
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I've been through the WWDC Keynote and Apple site for MobileMe and both demos show MoblieMe and an iPhone being used with "Push" technology. They say your other computers are updated with a Push from MobileMe. Where do they say changes are Pushed up from a Mac? Not defending Apple because my syncing is slowly coming around with MobileMe.
I've been through the WWDC Keynote and Apple site for MobileMe and both demos show MoblieMe and an iPhone being used with "Push" technology. They say your other computers are updated with a Push from MobileMe. Where do they say changes are Pushed up from a Mac? Not defending Apple because my syncing is slowly coming around with MobileMe.
MobileMe
MobileMe = a new tool to sell more iPhones. Nothing more...
Apple has left Mac users out in the cold again...
MobileMe = a new tool to sell more iPhones. Nothing more...
Apple has left Mac users out in the cold again...
Sorry but, what a mess -- I've wasted a few hours/days trying to figure this thing out and obviously I did not. So if the thing is not ready they should let us know so we don't mess things up further by 'playing' with every conceivable option. Is it because I 'm in .Mac? Is it because the settings are wrong? let's reset! let's create a new mail account in the iPhone! let's go change all the settings and punch the computer and show our derriere to some poor guy outside! It ain't right.
This is exactly the problem I spent an hour with tech support yesterday trying to figure out...Why mail was still in IMAP mode (wouldn't mark messages as read if I'd read them on the iPhone until the next time it polled etc.) So far this is my experience.
iPhone --> me.com GREAT
me.com --> iPhone GREAT
me.com/iPhone --> Mac NOT GOING TO HAPPEN UNTIL MANUAL SYNC OR EVERY 15 Mins.
Mac --> me.com/iPhone NOT GOING TO HAPPEN UNTIL MANUAL SYNC OR EVERY 15 Mins.
That's insane and NOT what was advertised. And seriously I don't understand what would be so hard about implementing this? -- just put out an address book, iCal, Mail combo updater that forces a sync whenever a change was made (it'd be nice if it was smart enough to just sync that application's data and didn't force over a new keychain etc. every time)....maybe this is coming from Apple - but if so wouldn't they have told us?
I think we were sold a bill of false goods - and I'm pretty pissed about it. Sjobs@apple.com here I come, no matter what good it will or won't do.
M.
iPhone --> me.com GREAT
me.com --> iPhone GREAT
me.com/iPhone --> Mac NOT GOING TO HAPPEN UNTIL MANUAL SYNC OR EVERY 15 Mins.
Mac --> me.com/iPhone NOT GOING TO HAPPEN UNTIL MANUAL SYNC OR EVERY 15 Mins.
That's insane and NOT what was advertised. And seriously I don't understand what would be so hard about implementing this? -- just put out an address book, iCal, Mail combo updater that forces a sync whenever a change was made (it'd be nice if it was smart enough to just sync that application's data and didn't force over a new keychain etc. every time)....maybe this is coming from Apple - but if so wouldn't they have told us?
I think we were sold a bill of false goods - and I'm pretty pissed about it. Sjobs@apple.com here I come, no matter what good it will or won't do.
M.
That's MobileMe for you.
But we can go ahead and ignore it, because people are homeless...
As much as I am frustrated that the calendar sync isn't doing what it should be (basically ive deleted events in my home calendar on my iphone and it not changed on my mac and vice versa) and its hasn't worked or did work on the odd occasion. Funnily enough if i do a similar test to an exchange server it works perfectly!
Anyway, I would think that Apple will fix the mac > Cloud sync issue with ease, after all it works fine with the files in idisk, if you change a file on either the cloud or your mac it automatically syncs within minutes (if not seconds).
Anyway, I would think that Apple will fix the mac > Cloud sync issue with ease, after all it works fine with the files in idisk, if you change a file on either the cloud or your mac it automatically syncs within minutes (if not seconds).
"So thats mobile me, you get push email, push contacts and push calendar to keep your important information up to date. on your iPhone, iPod touch mac or pc."
- John, An Apple Retail Employee on the Mobileme. A Guided Tour.
Sounds like they should all be getting the same consistent push features that the other is getting. Their either being vague or misleading or havent gotten the updates out yet.
"Mobileme iDisk to store and share your documents."
- John, An Apple Retail Employee on the Mobileme. A Guided Tour.
This is not there yet. John demoed this in the video and I followed along and it does not exist. He also has more menu bar options available that the launching site does not have. Apple either does not have all their services up and running as they say. Or are not selling what they said they had as features.
I just wanted to try the push thing/issues out with my trial account. I made a change on the calender on me.com and wanted to push it to my MacBook. I had to sync it and when it was synced, the time/dates were wrong. So all the times are wrong. Really odd.
EDIT: Ok, it seems that my time zone on me.com was wrong. Will try it again now.
yeah it's working now that the time zone is set right..
EDIT: Ok, it seems that my time zone on me.com was wrong. Will try it again now.
yeah it's working now that the time zone is set right..
You must not have looked very closely (if at all, because it's all right here):
http://www.apple.com/mobileme/features/:
Don't forget the "See how push works" video directly under that paragraph, which clearly says and shows the very thing that people are upset about. To quote the end of the video:
I don't buy it
I was using my Mac to edit and update both my calendar and address book this morning. I was doing it on purpose just to see what happens. It is possible that I fell into a 15 minute sync period, but I swear, each time I went to online and looked, my changes were already there. Not in 15 minutes, i am sure of it,but in less than 5.
I may watch more closely from now on, but I think it works pretty damn fast.
Mike
I was using my Mac to edit and update both my calendar and address book this morning. I was doing it on purpose just to see what happens. It is possible that I fell into a 15 minute sync period, but I swear, each time I went to online and looked, my changes were already there. Not in 15 minutes, i am sure of it,but in less than 5.
I may watch more closely from now on, but I think it works pretty damn fast.
Mike
NSlookup of me.com
Non-authoritative answer:
www.me.com canonical name = www.me.com.edgesuite.net.
www.me.com.edgesuite.net canonical name = a1917.g.akamai.net.
Name: a1917.g.akamai.net
Address: 204.2.133.41
Name: a1917.g.akamai.net
Address: 204.2.133.75
Akamai looks as if they are not taking any of the negative press on this issue but since Apple has a large investment in the company who hosts all of it's needs I'd expect people to contact Akamai and ask them whether or not they missed their projected demand for MobileMe, and if so, what they intend to do for scalability concerns.
Non-authoritative answer:
www.me.com canonical name = www.me.com.edgesuite.net.
www.me.com.edgesuite.net canonical name = a1917.g.akamai.net.
Name: a1917.g.akamai.net
Address: 204.2.133.41
Name: a1917.g.akamai.net
Address: 204.2.133.75
Akamai looks as if they are not taking any of the negative press on this issue but since Apple has a large investment in the company who hosts all of it's needs I'd expect people to contact Akamai and ask them whether or not they missed their projected demand for MobileMe, and if so, what they intend to do for scalability concerns.
At this point, I'd be happy if push e-mail to my iPhone simply worked, but it still doesn't. It works fine on my wife's iPhone, but never has on mine. I've done all of the troubleshooting steps posted by Apple several times, but it does no good. Hopefully Apple will eventually get this service working properly.
I had to restore my iPhone as a new device to get it to work properly. I know, that shouldn't be the solution of choice, but it definitely worked for me.
Yes - speaking about that WHERE IS THE SHARE iDISK FILES?!?!!
I was so INCREDIBLY looking forward to this feature prominently featured in the MobileMe video...where the bloody hell is it?
Either Apple needs to confirm that features were taken out (which they do have the legal right to do) like they did when they took out AirDisk Time Machine backup with the extreme...
Or tell us that there are updates on the way...
I can't stand this no-mans land of "no comment".
I was so INCREDIBLY looking forward to this feature prominently featured in the MobileMe video...where the bloody hell is it?
Either Apple needs to confirm that features were taken out (which they do have the legal right to do) like they did when they took out AirDisk Time Machine backup with the extreme...
Or tell us that there are updates on the way...
I can't stand this no-mans land of "no comment".
It must be luck.
Apple would not publish an article if it was working as you say.
The sad thing is many people (myself included) wrongly assumed that things did sync quickly because we were very close to a 15 minute sync period when we made a change.
The devil is always hiding in the details...
"Push mail" requires an e-mail client that support push (in some form). iPhone/touch does have that, but I don't think either Tiger's or Leopard's (stock) e-mail client does. There is (or at least was) a IMAP IDLE plug-in for Tiger, but I'm not certain if Leopard's default e-mail client has it or not. An e-mail client that polls for mail (as I think both Tiger and Leopard does) can't magically handle "push" -- IMAP isn't the same as IMAP IDLE and that's not exactly "push mail", etc. Yadda, yadda, yadda. No enemy would dare bomb this place and end the confusion. Yadda, yadda, yadda.
"Push mail" requires an e-mail client that support push (in some form). iPhone/touch does have that, but I don't think either Tiger's or Leopard's (stock) e-mail client does. There is (or at least was) a IMAP IDLE plug-in for Tiger, but I'm not certain if Leopard's default e-mail client has it or not. An e-mail client that polls for mail (as I think both Tiger and Leopard does) can't magically handle "push" -- IMAP isn't the same as IMAP IDLE and that's not exactly "push mail", etc. Yadda, yadda, yadda. No enemy would dare bomb this place and end the confusion. Yadda, yadda, yadda.
http://www.apple.com/mobileme/features/
"MobileMe stores all your email, contacts, and calendars in the cloud and pushes them down to your iPhone, iPod touch, Mac, and PC. When you make a change on one device, the cloud updates the others. Push happens automatically, instantly, and continuously. You don’t have to wait for it or remember to do anything — such as docking your iPhone and syncing manually — to stay up to date."
Push isn't mentioned in the same sentence as "Mac" and "up", but it's clear enough that it implies all devices are equal.
Mac syncing is not "instantly, and continuously". You DO have to wait or remember to sync manually to stay up to date.
In the MobileMe sync preferences on my Mac, what does "Automatically" actually mean?
"Within the twinkling of an eye" in the language of marketing. In reality, "within 15 or 60 minutes, for Leopard and Tiger systems, respectfully."
It means that your computer will sync to the MobileMe cloud every 15 minutes automatically if you run 10.5.x or every 60 minutes if you have 10.4.x ... no push, just sync.
"Mobileme iDisk to store and share your documents."
- John, An Apple Retail Employee on the Mobileme. A Guided Tour.
This is not there yet. John demoed this in the video and I followed along and it does not exist. He also has more menu bar options available that the launching site does not have. Apple either does not have all their services up and running as they say. Or are not selling what they said they had as features.
That was one of the cool things I saw in the MobileMe tour. I was looking forward to playing with it. Where oh where could it be??