More Advanced AI Siri Functionality Not Coming to iOS 18 Until 2025

[cjsuk]

Um mathematician here

I don't even want to do this kinda crap. I just want Siri to be able to quickly do basic math:

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That one doesn't really make sense to me. A percentage of something or an integer divided by another one makes sense. What you asked is ambiguous so it's not going to answer it.

Ask better questions

It has gotten dumber over the years. Sometimes it just straight up gives me the wrong answer to a math question. Like here, it clearly received the decimal point in the query, shown at the bottom, but the result, shown above, is WAY off because it decided to remove the decimal for no good reason.

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Prefix decimals properly and it will understand it. We don't write .9, we write 0.9.

The other things, yeah that.

 

[celtics_lucas]

So iPhone 13 will not get any AI features? I am confused

 

[Carrotstick]

I hope it's a rebuild, but I fear it's going to just be more sh*t piled on top of a weak foundation.

It’s a rebuild. You don’t make Sirismart with that crap foundation they have now.

 

[Biro]

Just as long as I can turn all of this off. I’m still not interested in Siri or AI. I can do this kind of stuff myself.

 

[klasma]

So iPhone 13 will not get any AI features? I am confused

Devices who lack the capabilities to do it on-device will likely implement it via Apple’s servers instead (if you agree to it, and with the resulting added latency). Of course Apple may decide to not offer that option for specific features, in order to push hardware sales.

 

[Populus]

So iPhone 13 will not get any AI features? I am confused

Why did you conclude that? In my opinion, if there’s a major cutout on the AI features, it will be on the iPhone 12, with their A14, as a minimum requirement. And, yeah, they will probably require an iPhone 15 Pro (A17) as a requirement for some specific functions

 

[hans1972]

Millions of people are already enjoying AI features by other companies. They are imperfect but usable, and ever improving. Meanwhile, Apple has nothing, and seemingly plans to have almost nothing.

Well, as an iOS or Mac user, you can still enjoy most of the offerings from these other companies.

 

[hans1972]

but it is not in the same league as AI models that are already commercially and freely available. Apple is behind by miles and we all know they aren't catching up any time soon.

And you can use those tools on your Mac or iPhone. I don't see any problem with these tools being provided by other companies.

 

[Manzanito]

I don’t really like the thought of siri messing around with my files.

 

[Ceecephous]

Miss me with the AI ****. Give us a sound manager & the ability to use 2 different apps at the same time.

 

[Realityck]

While the Siri features will be introduced at WWDC 2024, Apple reportedly does not plan to launch them in September when iOS 18 sees an initial release. Instead, Siri will be overhauled in a future iOS 18 update that's set to be introduced in 2025.

Well we shall see, as this is another todays article

iOS 18's AI will summarize notifications, articles and more

Apple's next-gen operating systems will feature Project Greymatter, bringing a multitude of AI-related enhancements. We have new details on AI features planned for Siri, Notes and Messages.

appleinsider.com

Siri is expected to receive significantly updated response generation capabilities, through a new smart response framework, as well as Apple's on-device LLM. When generating replies and summaries, Siri will be able to take into account entities such as people and companies, calendar events, locations, dates, and much more.

In our earlier reports on Safari 18, the Ajax LLM, and the updated Voice Memos app, AppleInsider revealed that Apple plans to introduce AI-powered text summarization and transcription to its built-in applications. We have since learned that the company intends to bring these features to Siri as well.

This ultimately means that Siri will be able to answer queries on-device, create summaries of lengthy articles, or transcribe audio as in the updated Notes or Voice Memos applications. This would all be done through the use of the Ajax LLM or cloud-based processing for more complex tasks.

We were also told that Apple has been testing enhanced and "more natural" voices, along with text-to-speech improvements, which should ultimately result in a significantly better user experience.

Apple has also been working on cross-device media and TV controls for Siri. This feature would allow someone to, for instance, use Siri on their Apple Watch to play music on another device, though the feature is not expected until later in 2024.

 

[Mascots]

Millions of people are already enjoying AI features by other companies. They are imperfect but usable, and ever improving. Meanwhile, Apple has nothing, and seemingly plans to have almost nothing.

LLMs can barely do math...

 

[Cwoods]

All I want is Siri to actually answer a question and not tell me to get my phone.

 

[macfacts]

User:
Siri, I'd like to have dinner with my girlfriend tonight at that place I walked by last week with the red umbrella. I took a photo of it.

Such a complex siri request.maybe in 10 years.

 

[Paddle1]

iPhone 15 Pro only for the AI features? So most users won't even get access to them.

 

[hans1972]

LLMs can barely do math...

Well ChatGPT is pretty good for at least stuff I have tried. And if you use the extension mathGPT it's even better.

Integrate f(x) = e^(2x)

 

[Mac7]

AI Siri gonna take up the whole 6.9" screen while you still can't have splitscreen apps

 

[Matt T]

More Advanced AI Siri Functionality​

Siri will be able to do things like open specific documents, move a note from one folder to another, delete an email, summarize an article, email a web link, and open a particular news site in Apple News.

Whoa, slow down guys - that sounds too advanced for me!

 

[trip1ex]

future **** isn't coming until the future

 

[Realityck]

iPhone 15 Pro only for the AI features? So most users won't even get access to them.

Until we see the hardware requirements, most of this is just speculation.
From Macworld article

The Neural Engine first appeared in the A11 Bionic chip, way back in 2017 (iPhone 8 and iPhone X), even though it could “only” perform 600 billion operations per second and didn’t really do much.

It took a big leap to 5 trillion operations per second (TOPS) in the A12. The next big leap was to 11 TOPS in the A14, then over 15 TOPS in A15, and now 35 TOPS in the A17 Pro. But the A17 Pro is only found in the iPhone 15 Pro and Pro Max. The iPhone 15 has the A16, whose Neural Engine is only half as fast, according to Apple.

It really doesn't benefit Apple to implement AI underlying processes that can only run on this years iPhone 15 pro's does it?

 

[Moukee]

With half of the announced features missing in .0 releases in recent years, Apple should just remove the major version number and make iOS a rolling release.

 

[JippaLippa]

Not good at all...
I imagine the pressure Apple has been put under to develop these integration, but this is one of those things that have to be ready day-one to avoid a pr disaster.
And I say this as a non-smart assistant user, so this won't even affect mez

 

[AppleTO]

Siri will be able to do things like open specific documents, move a note from one folder to another, delete an email, summarize an article, email a web link, and open a particular news site in Apple News.

Thing is, this isn't really helpful. I can easily and quickly do all of this myself. If they're trying to make Siri a better personal assistant, then sure, but I wouldn't call this AI.

As Siri is right now, I'm barely able to have it do anything. There have been massive regressions in performance and accuracy over the last few years.

A scenario:

User:
Siri, I'd like to have dinner with my girlfriend tonight at that place I walked by last week with the red umbrella. I took a photo of it.

This is a much better example of what Siri should be able to do. Siri is actually solving a problem.

 

[cjsuk]

Well ChatGPT is pretty good for at least stuff I have tried. And if you use the extension mathGPT it's even better.

Integrate f(x) = e^(2x)

No it's terrible. Throw some group theory at it.

If H is a group and G is a subgroup of H and A is a subgroup of G and H then what is F?

Eventually it makes some assumption that A = F after rambling on about possible interpretations of what F is.

It has no idea what the hell it's on about and the output is misleading and incorrect but sounds authoritative. It literally makes less sense than me after a few piña coladas.

Also you can throw some fun at it:

It doesn't understand the difference between kelvin and Celsius and if you feed it a bad prompt, it'll just carry on rather than tell you that you're an idiot.

0K = -273.15oC

 

[stevemiller]

hahahahahaha.

look, i buy apple stuff. but if you think they're not just blindly fumbling around in panicked reaction mode right now, you're being VERY charitable.

on the flip side, hopefully by the time they actually rally around some AI strategy, the whole hype cycle will have gone the way of NFTs/metaverses and we can be spared 'AI-everything' clogging all their devices.