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bigandy said:
try me. i'm a university student, and i believe tablets are useless for me. a view shared with most people i know at the place.

Gee! I'm a university student too, and each and every semester I get countless inquiries about my Newton with people going nuts once they see it can truly read their handwriting or over the way you delete things ("did you just scribble that out?"). People are different.

Also, the size is important. Current Tablets tend to be too big. They need to be smaller than notebooks, lighter, with more battery time. Add a foldable USB or BT keyboard if you need one, but keep the unit small. If you've ever used a Newton MP2100 you will know that the size is close to ideal. Neither too small nor too big. Totally portable.
 
kntgsp said:
First things first. A tablet PC should be defined as a tablet. A big screen. That's it. These "tablet pc's" being touted in every bloody computer store are laptops with swivel screens. They weigh the same as a regular laptop. They all weigh between 4 and 5 pounds, and the touchscreens are no where near good enough to take notes with. The closest being maybe the Fujitsu's "swivel screen" laptops. But even they weigh 4.5 lbs and are almost 2 inches thick.

To all of you who say that the tablet has no use, you obviously graduated from college before tablets became a viable alternative. The fujitsu tablets (real tablets) are less than an inch slim and have great reviews.

Here are some significant advantages for students.

1.) It would be so much easier just to carry one tablet with all of your books in pdf or scanned format, than to lug 4 or 5 3 pound books around. Heck, it'd even be eaiser with a tablet AND a spare battery.

2.) Writing in the margins of your textbook would no longer matter because you don't have to sell the book back anymore. Also referencing old notes would be incredibly quick and easy, by attaching a page of notes to a page of the textbook, all on the screen. No more paper.

3.) It gives you two input options, both as quiet as someone writing with a pencil. You can either write with a stylus input, or use an on screen keyboard. No clickity clack of laptop keyboards in the classroom anymore (I find it very annoying when trying to listen to a lecture).

4.) Miss a lecture? No problem, instead of getting crappy photocopied notes or having to copy them all by hand, simply transfer them wirelessly from your friends tablet. Or, if you don't have one, he can print you off a copy.

Just. Like. That.
 
The computer detects hand gestures and reacts with different screens.

This ***** going to get all minroity report now.
 
I think a video iPod with a larger screen (maybe about the size of a PSP screen with none of the controls on the outside) might be nice. You could possibly make it a little bigger even and it would still be convenient.

Doug
 
apple tablet

with the numerous amount of tablet patents/rumors that ive seen in the recent past, id say it could be time for apple to release one...
 
TheMasin9 said:
with the numerous amount of tablet patents/rumors that ive seen in the recent past, id say it could be time for apple to release one...
nope, I think all this "tablet patents" have to do more with and iPod Phone than anything else. Tablets would do little for Apple. An iPod Phone could potentially "change the world".
 
Bad Beaver said:
Gee! I'm a university student too, and each and every semester I get countless inquiries about my Newton with people going nuts once they see it can truly read their handwriting or over the way you delete things ("did you just scribble that out?"). People are different.

Also, the size is important. Current Tablets tend to be too big. They need to be smaller than notebooks, lighter, with more battery time. Add a foldable USB or BT keyboard if you need one, but keep the unit small. If you've ever used a Newton MP2100 you will know that the size is close to ideal. Neither too small nor too big. Totally portable.

I will also be a uni student next year but personally I think it's more likely I will invest in a notebook rather than a pda. I suppose it depends what kind of courses you're doing and what suits you better.

My orginal point too was only that most people don't need a pda because most people aren't uni students. And those that do need them generally make do with existing tablet pcs don't they?
 
bigandy said:
i want to know why everyone is getting so worked up about this - apple have previously, and correct me if i'm wrong, gone out of their way to patent ideas that are so well hidden within another patent for something they're never going to do, you can't tell what they're going to do with it.
personally, i think that it's more likely we'd see a touchscreen ipod before we see an apple tablet.
A year ago or more, there was talk about a BlueTooth/IR multi-media controler that that would control everything (lights, TV, Stereo, ect...) Might this be a patant for something like that?
 
willwoodgate said:
Not being a grouch, I'm not taking much notice of this news just yet. Apple have bought hundreds of patents over the years, and very few have ever become actual products. In the furture - who knows? We were all expecting an application at MacWorld called "Numbers" but nothing came along.
Apple seams to operate on a precationary principle - protecting its ideas and storing them for future use.
But hey, a Tablet Mac - that would be quite neat!

true,,, and even more so, how many things have they built but never actually released... what i'd do to get inside THAT storage room...
 
Looks to me (I had actually such an idea in mind), like a Full Screen iPod, to watch full length video's, and the famous click wheel, will be a software displayed on screen when needed.
The dimension on the patents is only to confuse.
 
Butters said:
I will also be a uni student next year but personally I think it's more likely I will invest in a notebook rather than a pda. I suppose it depends what kind of courses you're doing and what suits you better.

My orginal point too was only that most people don't need a pda because most people aren't uni students. And those that do need them generally make do with existing tablet pcs don't they?

A PDA can be a very different thing, depending on your definiton. And of course you'd rather get a notebook looking at what is available in the tablet market. The important bit is that "to make do" is not the thing we strive for. We would rather have sth. that is better than what we have, don't we.

Look at this for example: http://www.tactiva.com/demo.html
 
Bad Beaver said:
A PDA can be a very different thing, depending on your definiton. And of course you'd rather get a notebook looking at what is available in the tablet market. The important bit is that "to make do" is not the thing we strive for. We would rather have sth. that is better than what we have, don't we.

Look at this for example: http://www.tactiva.com/demo.html

Those videos look very nice! though I'm not sure it would be quite that smooth in reality.
I'd like to see that in an apple tablet and If the resolution is high too then it would be something I'd consider mainly because it seems that it would allow you be productive (obviously the reason I currently prefer the idea of a notebook)
 
For the uninitiated

For all the naysayers, I just got a tablet pc and it's awesome. Well, and here's the problem, I should be more specific and say OneNote 2003 with a tablet PC is awesome.

I'm a law student and my books for one day, specifically Thursday, are uncarriable. They are about 20 pounds, and a total of about 3500 pages. So I got a scanner, scan chapters to PDF, and annotate them using the pen. Usually I'll type notes in class, highlighting or annotating important parts, but for anyone that thinks tablets are worthless and not an effective way to enter notes, I personally wouldn't go back.

The handwriting recognition is pretty good, but why even bother with it? I can read my own handwritten notes, the recognition is good enough for searching (yes, you can search handwriting), and I don't have to lug around a ridiculous amount of books.

Back to the problem, I would love a mac tablet, but I worry that the software won't be there to fully utilize it. This is one area where Microsoft has really gone **lls out, especially with OneNote.

While tablet pcs may not be for everyone, they are great for students (other than CS) and I'm just sad I waited till 3rd year to get one.

-p-
 
New uses for a tablet

Butters said:
I don't think I or a lot of people for that matter need a tablet,
.

You are right, you don't want yesterday's tablet PC But.....

What if that tablet where your TV remote control? Would you need a tablet then?
I can envision a hand held device with a smallscreen that connects wirelessly to a "media center mac". The screen would have a finder-like list of "stuff you can watch" maybe even with tiny thumbnail icons. You'd then toutch the one(s) you want to see or maybe drag them into some order and program the whole evening.

What if if they made a video iPod that was "all screen". It would look like a frameless 16:9 LCD on one side and plain black on the other. When powered off it would be black on both sides -- A featurless thin brick. Shake it to turn it on and then there is a picture of a clickwheel on the frontt and it works just like an iPod. But now when you ask it to play a video it has a larger screen space

What if the tablet where a GPS map diplay you could take with you on trips?

What if the LCD screen acted like a scanner and you could just lay it on some text or bussines card that you wanted to keep

What if ONE device did all of the above depending on what software app it was running?
 
Mactab? Maclet? Where's the obvious???? hello... APPLE TAB :p

I agree with most of the debate here about releasing a tablet computer. I see it to be better suited to be an input device to any existing computer.

For instance one of the pictures shows a "mixer" control surface, which would be great to integrate with logic. And also with the touch screen ability to use a stylus kind of input.

It would be great if it was an input device that could also work independently of the computer and sync up data (even wirelessly, hmmm), so it acts like an all in one ipod/hard drive, note taker, internet machine... I actually am not a fan of all in one devices, and I know apple is the same way, but if I say it does all of those things it will be bound to do one of them?


-Royboy
 
The tree frog hands are back!

Someday that creature will crawl out of Apple's laps and we'll see who--or what--is REALLY behind all these patents.

The multipoint UI concepts sounds really cool. I don't NEED a tablet (merely the smallest portable Apple will give me) but it would sure be interesting to see what Apple came up with.

Probably this is only more "just in case" patents that will never be used. But a "tablet done right"--by the company that improved my mouse interaction on a nearly-every-minute basis with Exposé--would be neat. (And I hope they can make the screen have a nice papery texture and still be clear... stylus-on-glass is really annoying to me. Maybe a rubber roller ball on the stylus could help.)

MacBook Touch?

(And yes, OS X already has gesture support built in, if you have an external tablet. I borrowed a tablet to play with. It was cool.)
 
ChrisA said:
You are right, you don't want yesterday's tablet PC But.....

What if...

Yeah you're right too I was refering to yesterdays tablet pc, i think if apple were to make one it would probably be new and innovative (tomorrow's tablet pc) and I would more than likely want one then.

you're what if's weren't really that exciting tbh, some nice ideas there but they are things I could live without
(you kind of reminded me of the CES show when bill gates was showing off all that over the top pointless technology near the beginning of the keynote) no offence just my opinion I guess
 
Honestly...

...this really points more towards an apple all in one product than anything else. Since a lot of PDA companies are removing their mac compatability, it only fits that Apple would try to edge into that market and produce a new PDA + iPod for the businessperson on the go. Imagine a blackberry, but completely as a screen which has long battery life, wireless card, and a touchscreen keyboard that converts into a video screen for video conferencing. Now that we know Apple can put an iSight into the MacBook Pro this would only seem a logical extension of the miniaturization of such a device. It would be the ultimate accessory for any business-savy individual plus a cool gadget for the rest of us... ;)
 
Marvy said:
I'm imagining some sort of tablet mac, that supports gestures, but also scanning paper that is laid on the screen (as suggested in that rumor about the sensor-pixels that Apple also patented), and finally an integrated printer to allow output onto paper. Wouldn't that be COOOL? :) Don't ask me if it's techically possible, but I would love to have a mobile mac that can scan, print and read my gestures :D

it's call a scanner and a printer:D
 
I don't know why people think that since the tablet market so far has been basically a failure that Apple would stay out of it. The MP3 market was basically a failure before the iPod, with only geeks and the bravest of consumers having any interest in it, and everyone else wondering "what's an MP3?" and not giving it a second thought. Apple revolutionized the MP3 market and I think they could do it with a tablet. To do it, though, they'd have to go way out on a limb and introduce something no one's ever thought of before. Put Jonathan Ive on the design, and who knows?

I think if there is a MacTouch Pro (c'mon, isn't that the best name ever for a tablet?), it will incorporate the Inkwell technology (duh) plus this sort of gestures (multi-point sounds cool, maybe they can let you literally grab stuff between 2 fingers and move it around on the screen), and the camera-in-screen technology for true multimedia videoconferencing. You just keep the tablet pointed basically at you, and it shows your face on the screen. Walk around with an Airport Extreme (or whatever their 802.11n product ends up as) or an Apple MVNO card in it, and you've got live videoconferencing on the go, with the ability to take notes easily without a keyboard or having to place it on your lap or on a table. People generally write more naturally than they type, even if they type fast sometimes.

Of course, Apple would also throw some surprises in for us, that would truly make it useful. They're not afraid of a niche market, that's the story of the company, but they're good at making that niche market into a cultural icon.

jW
 
tokin said:
...this really points more towards an apple all in one product than anything else. Since a lot of PDA companies are removing their mac compatability, it only fits that Apple would try to edge into that market and produce a new PDA + iPod for the businessperson on the go. Imagine a blackberry, but completely as a screen which has long battery life, wireless card, and a touchscreen keyboard that converts into a video screen for video conferencing. Now that we know Apple can put an iSight into the MacBook Pro this would only seem a logical extension of the miniaturization of such a device. It would be the ultimate accessory for any business-savy individual plus a cool gadget for the rest of us... ;)

i was just about to say that. only something along the lines of apple producing something that can't exactly be described as a tablet pc, or ipod or newton reincarnate. it's more than in ipod, but less than an ibook. does a lot more than a pda and has a camera built in. wasn't someone talking about technology that allowed an entire screen to capture images? something similar to a tablet pc, but doesn't fall in line with our concept of one. we know they're coming out with soemthing 'revultionary' in the next few months... most likely april...could this be it?
 
oh, and as for names... i like skywalker's mactouch pro. but that implies a consumer model counterpart... maybe mactouch? i'm putting my money on mactab, and if it's a new ipod, then macpod
 
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