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Very curious to see how much GPU and CPU performance they'll be able to keep in a 15". Quite the design challenge...!

If there is NO dedicated GPU then its hardly going to sell.

Hoping for:
Quad-Core cpu's (2.4Ghz minimum without hyperthreading)
Thunderbolt
3x 3.0USB ports (or 1 combo USB+ESATA)
GPU ... PLEASE!!
Hi-Res Display with matte screen only across the 15" range.
 
Try moving .iso video files around without a decent LAN data-rate then opine on the subject of the lack of built-in Ethernet.

How do you think my anime collection got from my torrent client to my NAS exactly ? :rolleyes:

I too have used a NAS for data storage for a while (with a local SSD for OS files), works fine but only with a GbLAN.

Dunnos, has worked fine over both the old 802.11g and the new 802.11n for me for the last 5 years. And if there's ever anything that really requires speed, the 100 mbps is quite sufficient in the Ethernet on my MBA. Is 720 Megabytes per minute really too slow ?

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"Old" is a weak argument, hence the point about UNIX, which shouldn't go away anytime soon, though I guess that analogy wasn't picked up by many.

But as I pointed out, where did Unix go in OS X Lion ?

http://www.opengroup.org/openbrand/register/

It's not listed. Why hasn't Apple certified Lion ? Did they actually remove something that prevents the test suite from passing ?
 
But as I pointed out, where did Unix go in OS X Lion ?

http://www.opengroup.org/openbrand/register/

It's not listed. Why hasn't Apple certified Lion ? Did they actually remove something that prevents the test suite from passing ?

I saw your earlier post about that in the thread and was gonna say stuff, but I got too wrapped up in waging my war against the anti-ODD zombies on this place. That's really funny though; how can they go out of their way to make such a big deal about it being compliant in the two back-to-back second and third most recent releases and not the most recent one? There's no possible way that the command-line versions of things like disk utility, software update, and time machine have anything to do with it. Right?

Either way, it's decidedly silly.

Edit: Is it possible that the aforementioned (linked) registry of compliant OSes is just simply not up-to-date and that Lion will eventually be on there?
 
Hoping for a MacBook Air 15" model myself. I really do like my 2009 MBP 15", but have considered upgrading the hard drive to an SSD. But the cost factor of getting a 512gb SSD is more than I want to spend on something that is turning 3 years old this year. I'd much rather put that money towards something newer.

Of course hoping that there will be an 8gb/512gb 15" MBA to make the replacement a no brainer.
 
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If they do this, they NEED to be able to offer more than 256GB in storage, or they cannot be primary machines for a lot of people. And external TB drives do not solve this problem. Then portability is gone.

EVEN MORE SO ... is that Apple will need to work with Samsung (and OCW will too), to manufacture more blade SSD chips at 256/400/500GB sizes and make them MORE affordable!! PLEASE!

I had to trade my pristine 13" MBA Ulti for a MBP 15" (1 year down) :( Just solely for the upgradable SSD affordability! It made no sense for me shelling out another $1000+tax for a 400GB SSD blade for my MBA.
 
Don't know if you've ever seen the inside of these things, but you can't make it THAT thinner and keep the 2.5" hard drive which is, again, as thick (if not slightly thicker) than the super-drive. Keep dreaming though.

I may admittedly have exaggerated slightly with respect to the thinness, but the Superdrive is actually a bit thicker than a 9.5mm HDD - which is why it is possible to replace the Superdrive with an Optibay - and even 12mm HDDs fit into current MBPs, so it should be possible to make it thinner by 2.5mm at least, if the ODD was removed.

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My biggest concern with the MBA form factor is how it will affect computer power and battery life. Would it be possible to have standard voltage dual-core and quad-core processors without sacrificing the battery life too much? Or would Apple have to resort to ULV processors to have adequate battery life?
 
Edit: Is it possible that the aforementioned (linked) registry of compliant OSes is just simply not up-to-date and that Lion will eventually be on there?

Apple claims they are registered for OS X Lion :

http://images.apple.com/macosx/docs/OSX_for_UNIX_Users_TB_July2011.pdf

But, as you can see, the OpenGroup doesn't list them. I don't think their page is out of date either, look at the bottom :

© The Open Group 1995-2012 Updated on Sunday, 12 February 2012

So... something is amiss.
 
DVDs and Blu-Rays take an enormous amount of physical space, true. I have hundreds of them, built over the years, and they take five full-size binders.

But movies are still sold on physical discs with a good-looking plastic case and printed paper insert.

Download? Well, iTunes doesn't have every movie ever made, only some recent ones, coming from big studios. Let's not talk about foreign movies, or dubbed movies, which frequently don't even make jump to iTunes. Geez, even some rare movies only saw a very limited release on VHS, let alone DVDs. One of the best I saw is still on a surprisingly good Betamax tape.

Hard drive storage? Hmmm, sure, but DVD-R spindles are still the most economical way to store gigabytes of data that are unlikely to change (i.e. movies). Just consider a 2TB HDD is over $250. And when the hard drive fails, the whole collection is amiss. So far, no fine-quality DVR+R ever failed me, even burnt 12 years ago (Hint: I store them in a dark, dry place).

Besides, large hard drives require external power supply which isn't always available (planes in coach-class, crowded place), although that may change with Thunderbolt-based drives.

Plus, for already-existing movies on physical discs, they must be ripped, Digital Restrictions Management (DRM) broken, re-compressed, which inevitably leads to quality loss.

Lending movies? Would you be willing to lend your whole drive to a friend for him to get its movie? I'd rather risk the live of a plastic disc.


Would be interesting that Apple extended its "Match" offer to movies.
 
Apple had better keep a good-sized hard drive and keep amping up performance.

Otherwise I'm just gonna go and buy myself an Alienware once my current MBP dies.

I can see why they would phase out the DVD player; I've only used it a total of 4 times, one of which was installing Bootcamp, but I still think that it would really tick a lot of people off.

IMO, I'd like to see them phase out the superdrive, and then use the extra space to jack up performance and battery life.
 
Sorry to hear this rumor or is it news? I hope it's just a rumor. Otherwise I guess Apple has no more interest in making computers for professionals and is satisfied with just making toys. That would be really lame. Don't do it Apple! Keep the MacBook Pro! I was planning to buy the next model this year!
 
Duh, Thunderbolt GPU's

Am I the only one that see's this?

Its obvious the Macbook line is going to be fashioned after the Air for portability and we will use Thunderbolt enclosures with GPU's installed for the heavy lifting when we are home.

Dual purpose machine, ultimate portable and ultimate powerful.
 
It's also not logical to defend a product that doesn't exist yet ;)

In all seriousness though, we get inflamed and "bitchy" because we care. We want Apple to keep making hardware that meets our needs. For me personally, I've had a hard time adjusting to the new iOS mentality; Back in the PPC days, Apple seemed more committed to "pro" users since they were a large percentage of Apple's user base. Apple has a new user base now and myself and others are worried that Apple has forgotten their most loyal customers in favor of their new iOS masses.

Well said
 
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Am I the only one that see's this?

Its obvious the Macbook line is going to be fashioned after the Air for portability and we will use Thunderbolt enclosures with GPU's installed for the heavy lifting when we are home.

Dual purpose machine, ultimate portable and ultimate powerful.


Well, then Apple may as well just give the Macbook air a bigger screen size, tack that on there, and call it a Macbook Pro.

The idea of the Macbook pro is that it is power on the go; granted, you could consolidate that power into an external GPU, but then what's the point? You could do the same to just about any other low-spec computer and call it a performance computer.

There's also the issue of people having to shell out an additional few hundred bucks for gaming performance that they once had.
 
I find those options to be in the high 99% likelihood. Plenty of people will whine that they need more, but they don't, they just want more.

You have no idea how frustrating it can be in the IT world when people insist they need a 1 TB internal drive in their notebook...despite having less than 60 GB of content to speak of.

I won't even be getting a MacBook Air however I am not one to set the bar excessively high only to be disappointed when the tech specs are revealed and not what I expected.
 
cha-ching!

Am I the only one that see's this?

Its obvious the Macbook line is going to be fashioned after the Air for portability and we will use Thunderbolt enclosures with GPU's installed for the heavy lifting when we are home.

Dual purpose machine, ultimate portable and ultimate powerful.

And you'll pay $2000 for the laptop and $2000 for the docking station/monitor.

Apple's profit margin continues to climb....
 
Am I the only one that see's this?

Its obvious the Macbook line is going to be fashioned after the Air for portability and we will use Thunderbolt enclosures with GPU's installed for the heavy lifting when we are home.

Dual purpose machine, ultimate portable and ultimate powerful.

And you'll pay $2000 for the laptop and $2000 for the docking station/monitor.

Apple's profit margin continues to climb....
And I thought MacBook Pros were made, actually, for professional needs. What's the point in only being able to do heavy tasks at home, or haul multiple peripherals to achieve this goal?

And I thought the Air would be interesting to buy only as a secondary computer, where one could leave its iMac at home, ready for heavy lifting.

Apple has an history of making everything integrated, not adding peripherals. When they removed the FireWire port from the first MacBook unibody, there was outrage, and they eventually backed off in their next release. There were simply too many pros and prosumers having FireWire interfaces. Personally, 4 out of 5 external hard drives are FireWire800-based.
 
And you'll pay $2000 for the laptop and $2000 for the docking station/monitor.

Apple's profit margin continues to climb....
Sorry not when I could get one of these from MSI and my choice of matte monitor.


And I thought MacBook Pros were made, actually, for professional needs. What's the point in only being able to do heavy tasks at home, or haul multiple peripherals to achieve this goal?

And I thought the Air would be interesting to buy only as a secondary computer, where one could leave its iMac at home, ready for heavy lifting.

Apple has an history of making everything integrated, not adding peripherals. When they removed the FireWire port from the first MacBook unibody, there was outrage, and they eventually backed off in their next release. There were simply too many pros and prosumers having FireWire interfaces. Personally, 4 out of 5 external hard drives are FireWire800-based.
Hilariously Thunderbolt is becoming entirely contradictory to Apple's minimalism. Daisy chain galore!
 
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And you'll pay $2000 for the laptop and $2000 for the docking station/monitor.

Apple's profit margin continues to climb....

Sorry not when I could get one of these from MSI and my choice of matte monitor.

As said in the article that you quoted:

Despite running on a MacBook Pro there is currently no OS X support for the solution, but it does work under Windows.

Things that "should" work under OSX often don't.


Hilariously Thunderbolt is becoming entirely contradictory to Apple's minimalism. Daisy chain galore!

It does make one think of

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Don't forget:

The 2011 MacBook Air 13inch has more horsepower than the 2010 13inch MacBook Pro.

Check the facts online.

Fact of the matter is that the 2014 MacBook Air will be as fast as today's MacBook Pros.
 
Don't forget:

The 2011 MacBook Air 13inch has more horsepower than the 2010 13inch MacBook Pro.

Check the facts online.

Fact of the matter is that the 2014 MacBook Air will be as fast as today's MacBook Pros.

Did you mean "the 2012 MacBook Air"? Waiting two years for an Air that matches today's Pros doesn't seem like a winning idea...

If you did mean the "2012 Air", you should think about how other companies in mid-2012 will be selling ultrabooks that match the MBA, and more robust systems that will blow it out of the water.
 
As said in the article that you quoted:



Things that "should" work under OSX often don't.




It does make one think of

I had no plans on using it under OS X.

Then again I plan on running Windows solely on my next laptop because Apple's driver support is terrible. I will keep my old MacBook around to run Pages. That has not seen an update in ages either!
 
Also more storage space, faster GPU, better battery life and better base RAM.

If Apple phases out the 13" MBP, I'll phase me out of Apple.

Hmmm. Apple HAS treated the 13" MBP quite well lately ... more so than the 13" Aluminum PowerBook; oh you do remember that right?

Unfortunately I think the 13" MBP will be gone ... there is just too much overlap or too small of a gap between the MBA 13" Ultimate and a probable 15"MBA/P low end machine for it to survive.

Please remember that the 13"MBP actually started life as a simple 13" MB ... for 2 iterations where the 13MBP had less spec's than the 2nd iteration MB.
 
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