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(you don't need every episode of "Lost" or every musictrack ever made or hours of unedited 10bit video on your portable computer, IMHO)

Yes, actually, I do. (Well, not Lost, but various other things.) My portable computer is my computer, period. I use it in many places, only one of which is my home where external storage is readily available. Everything I want to use anywhere else needs to be on the computer itself. And don't give me that **** about keeping things 'in the cloud'. Some of the places I use it don't have internet access, either.
 
My two cents here:

While I can understand technology is changing, and optical drives are becoming seemingly obsolete, I still see a need for Apple to keep the ODD. Here's why - you may not use DVD's, or treat your MBPs like a DVD player, but I and many others still do. There's a lot of real-world data not being considered here. Furthermore, whatever happened to choice? Simple solution - give customers a choice.
You can external. Or Windows. You always have choice.


And invest 30+minutes for each movie before leaving home and precious SSD disk space? PITA, not end of discussion.
Precious SSD space; wouldn't it be great to have another SSD and/or HDD in there. If only there was room...:rolleyes:

If these rumors become truth, then I'm glad I bought my late 2011 model MBP. I like having a bit of heft to my laptop, and a built in optical drive.

If that's what you like, great. But know you are the minority.


In saying that, I'd hope that they make better use of the space rather than just remove it in the PRO line.
 
Yes, actually, I do. (Well, not Lost, but various other things.) My portable computer is my computer, period. I use it in many places, only one of which is my home where external storage is readily available. Everything I want to use anywhere else needs to be on the computer itself. And don't give me that **** about keeping things 'in the cloud'. Some of the places I use it don't have internet access, either.

Then progress is leaving you behind. Or at least, Apple is. Just as it left behind those who absolutely, positively needed to use floppy disks.

People who need the optical disk to be inside the computer will also be left behind.

It's okay. You will still be able to get the current model for a while yet. Probably at a discount from people like me who are ready for a thinner, lighter MacBook. Maybe by the time you're ready to move on, the capacity and price of onboard SSD's will meet your needs.

You don't have to be on the cutting edge. And Apple's products have never been the right solution for everyone. There's no shame in switching, if you and Apple are no longer a good fit for each other.
 
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I've given my side of the data, and thats an easy one: the Macbook Air is the best selling Mac product, and it does not have an ODD, and thats where real data about real trends happen: in the sales numbers, not the trivial complaints you find and read here on MR. Furthermore, why do you think starting this CES 2012, this has been called the year of the "ultrabook"? Why do you think Intel, Asus, HP, and Dell are all now trying to copy Apple and jump on the super thin, light-weight notebook aesthetic that does not include an ODD?

I jumped onto the MacBook Air bandwagon (and actually back onto the Mac bandwagon, for that matter) 4 years ago when the MacBook Air was first announced.

What's ironic is that back then, when it was released, the Mac message boards (I frequented Macworld more back then) were highly dismissive of the MacBook Air and claimed it would be a flop. Remember the hype back then was about a "magic" docking station, and the introduction of a notebook with no ODD and only 1 USB port, and no docking station was somewhat underwhelming.

However, I had long been a fan of ultraportables, and once I saw Steve Jobs embrace it wholeheartedly I knew back then that Apple would stick with it until it got it right. Even the first MacBook Air, as crippled as it was by the slow HDD (I wasn't about to pay for the $3000 SSD model back then) and integrated graphics, refused to compromise on screen quality and a full sized keyboard. A few, particularly Jason Snell at Macworld, were on board right away just like me, but others dismissed it as the next Cube. Sales were relatively slow at first, and its success wasn't guaranteed. Heck, right before the 2010 MacBook Air was released there were rumors that Apple was going to drop the Air.

Already HP and a few others have announced or hinted at 14" and 15" Ultrabooks, and Intel even has some spec requirements for them, so it would not be surprising at all for Apple to expand the Air line. Remember, too, that the 2010 MacBook Air's tagline was "The Next Generation of MacBooks."

I think the 17" Pro may be the holdover that retains the ODD and HDD a bit longer. Remember, it is the only MacBook Pro that still has an ExpressCard slot. I think the 13" Pro will likely go the way of the white MacBook once the Ivy Bridge chip is released, particularly if Apple is able to fit a quad-core into the Air's form factor. The 15" is interesting territory, though. It might retain the discrete GPU, and possibly even the HDD, though I wouldn't be surprised if it went all SSD, or at least primarily SSD.
 
Personally, if they make the MBP a small little thing like the Air, and drop down the battery and bring in a SSD...I will be getting a refurb 2011 one and hopefully it will last until 500gb+ ssd is a lot more affordable and the battery increases again.
 
What's ironic is that back then, when it was released, the Mac message boards (I frequented Macworld more back then) were highly dismissive of the MacBook Air and claimed it would be a flop.

I wasn't sure what to make of the MBA when it first came out. Then a buddy brought one into work one day, and that was that, we had seen the future.

These are magnificent computers, closest thing to putting the "P" in "PC" outside an iPad.
 
I can see this happening:

Mac Book = The Current 11" and 13" Airs.

Mac Book Pro = The new 15" and 17" Airs.

The difference between Macbook And Macbook Pro? Discrete GPU.

You also forgot to mention that the MB Pros would also use quad-core CPU's as opposed to dual-core CPU's on the MB Air.
 
I jumped onto the MacBook Air bandwagon (and actually back onto the Mac bandwagon, for that matter) 4 years ago when the MacBook Air was first announced.

What's ironic is that back then, when it was released, the Mac message boards (I frequented Macworld more back then) were highly dismissive of the MacBook Air and claimed it would be a flop. Remember the hype back then was about a "magic" docking station, and the introduction of a notebook with no ODD and only 1 USB port, and no docking station was somewhat underwhelming.

However, I had long been a fan of ultraportables, and once I saw Steve Jobs embrace it wholeheartedly I knew back then that Apple would stick with it until it got it right. Even the first MacBook Air, as crippled as it was by the slow HDD (I wasn't about to pay for the $3000 SSD model back then) and integrated graphics, refused to compromise on screen quality and a full sized keyboard. A few, particularly Jason Snell at Macworld, were on board right away just like me, but others dismissed it as the next Cube. Sales were relatively slow at first, and its success wasn't guaranteed. Heck, right before the 2010 MacBook Air was released there were rumors that Apple was going to drop the Air.

Already HP and a few others have announced or hinted at 14" and 15" Ultrabooks, and Intel even has some spec requirements for them, so it would not be surprising at all for Apple to expand the Air line. Remember, too, that the 2010 MacBook Air's tagline was "The Next Generation of MacBooks."

I think the 17" Pro may be the holdover that retains the ODD and HDD a bit longer. Remember, it is the only MacBook Pro that still has an ExpressCard slot. I think the 13" Pro will likely go the way of the white MacBook once the Ivy Bridge chip is released, particularly if Apple is able to fit a quad-core into the Air's form factor. The 15" is interesting territory, though. It might retain the discrete GPU, and possibly even the HDD, though I wouldn't be surprised if it went all SSD, or at least primarily SSD.

"I think the 13" Pro will likely go the way of the white MacBook once the Ivy Bridge chip is released, particularly if Apple is able to fit a quad-core into the Air's form factor."

I don't think we'll be seeing a quad-core in an Air's form factor until 2014 when Intel transitions to 14nm die shrink.
 
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I can see this happening:

Mac Book = The Current 11" and 13" Airs.

Mac Book Pro = The new 15" and 17" Airs.

The difference between Macbook And Macbook Pro? Discrete GPU.

You also forgot to mention that the MB Pros would also use quad-core CPU's as opposed to dual-core CPU's on the MB Air.

Assumption.
 
There is no reason to make a 17 inch Air as (Obviously) portability is not an issue at that point.

So, all you whiners that call yourselves "Pros" will still have that.

And if you are ARE a Pro, you can afford it.


NOW - That being said, nobody has of yet decided to take the 15 inch pro off the market. The 12 is soooooooooooo gone but wait !!!! ....Before you cry about that just let me say : "Shut up" :D
 
Really? I'm A Quadriplegic keep the macbook pros!

I have a macbook pro 15" 2010 and it doesn't need to be any lighter and I'm a quadriplegic!
I use this laptop from home and work when I can get there, for heavy Photoshop vehicle wrap design. Please Apple don't forget about the people that use these incredible computers to make a living. Keep the airs for play and the pros for the designers ect.!
 
There will be no Macbook Air anymore or Macbook Pro, there will only be Macbook. It may also come to pass that there is no more iMac or Mac Pro. Then there may only be the Mac, which will exist as 11" to 17" MBA style computers. To me, it sounds simple, elegant, and exactly Apple's style.
 
8GB RAM
Retina display
Ivy Bridge
Thinner frame around the screen
Longer battery life
Last but not least, please, no more ODD! (a dealbreaker for me if a new laptop has this useless crap that takes up space and adds weight)

And I'm sold!
 
I am someone who still uses his optical drive to rip CDs mostly. But I am completely fine with an external drive. Now if they use to the space to put dual SSDs in then they could have more than a gig HD space.... possibly more soon :eek:
 
Because you are not up to date on the capabilities of Thunderbolt.

1. Most owners of MOBILE Macs use wireless far more often than Ethernet.
2. For when you're at your home/office desk, the new Thunderbolt hubs have an Ethernet, FireWire, and USB ports for you to plug everything in. That hub connects by a single cable to your Thunderbolt port. All the benefits of Ethernet, FireWire, and more, over one cable. Nice, eh?

I am an Avid editor using a Thunderbolt MBP 17" and a thunderbolt raid. My concern is latency, thunderbolt is a big pipe but until its speedbumped in a few years, adding two monitors, plus the speed requirements of ever-increasing file sizes of HD video codecs (we are due for 2k footage from some cameras soon), has me worried that gigabit ethernet added to this mix might actually find the limit of current generation Thunderbolt.
 
Better internals.

No matter how good apple are, you need surface area to cool the internals ;)

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I don't get why people say this, it handles heat just fine. I used mine as a render machine before with zero issues.

My friends 17" couldn't even browse the web without the fans spinning up, and there are countless reports of this.
even my 2009 MBP core2 due gets too hot to have on my lap when converting a DVD.
 
Read between the lines, dudebro

Macbooks will no longer have discrete GPUs.

Nooooooooo !!! Goodbuy Skyrim

I assume, that would mean external display would suffer.

Reagrdless of the *rumormed* deisgn of *these new macbooks*, allot of poeple would be unhappy if they rely on the mini-display /thunderbiolt port.


***Speculation alert***


No more pros or airs. Just macbooks, 11,13,15,17. Ultra thin, no discrete GPUs. Forthcoming thunderbolt options will be available for gaming dock setups.


Havaing read recently. now its gonna be May as Apple is waiting for Ivy Bridge, that puts me in a bad mood :(

I might as well get the 13" Air now then... No point in leaving it.
 
I guess I'll just have the ebay website open so I can buy a late 2011 MBP 13" if this ever comes to fruition. I need the storage space and 128GB SSD won't be, by any means, cutting it.
 
No matter how good apple are, you need surface area to cool the internals ;)

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My friends 17" couldn't even browse the web without the fans spinning up, and there are countless reports of this.
even my 2009 MBP core2 due gets too hot to have on my lap when converting a DVD.

Fans spinning up is completely normal. I'm aware that "reports" exist but honestly, its from people who don't know much about computers.

I work in IT for a living and I assure you fans spinning is a normal operation. Computers shut themselves down when they overheat. If this isn't happening the cooling systems are doing their jobs and the computer isn't overheating.
 
If the hard drive makers can reduce a 750 GB to 1 TB notebook hard drive to a single platter and make it really thin, it's possible the new MacBook Pros will retain hard drives for now, but in a slightly thinner former factor than current models. The reason is simple: SSD's are still VERY expensive, and the data integrity on a SSD is supposedly not as good as a decent quality hard drive.
 
Like many others, I'll be buying the last generation of MBP 17s if this happens.

I couldn't care less about optical drives - those are almost as dead as floppies as far as I'm concerned - but I do want that bay for a second drive.

As someone else said, my MBP is my computer, and the whole point of it being a laptop is that I have all of my files with me whether I'm at home or on the other side of the world, so no, I don't want a dock-based solution, and no, I don't want to have to mess around with carrying external drives that completely negate the increased portability.

I have 2 x 1Tb hard drives in mine. When 1Tb SSDs are available at a sensible price, that will be the time for me to make the switch to a SSD-based laptop.
 
This would be amazing, I use my girlfriends MBP but I would definitely be up for buying my own if this was the update.
8GB RAM
Retina display
Ivy Bridge
Thinner frame around the screen
Longer battery life
Last but not least, please, no more ODD! (a dealbreaker for me if a new laptop has this useless crap that takes up space and adds weight)

And I'm sold!
 
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