Qualcomm 600 doesn't have integrated LTE. ARM/Mali has nothing to do with a LTE. 4412 in Note 2 has LTE.
BTW, 5410 uses PowerVR 544, not Mali.
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Qualcomm 600 doesn't have integrated LTE. ARM/Mali has nothing to do with a LTE. 4412 in Note 2 has LTE.
BTW, 5410 uses PowerVR 544, not Mali.
You only said "way ahead of Apple", without any specific arguments, where do you expect anyone able to point out your exact error, other than telling you that your judgement has no standpoint?
You think the Qualcomm radio + a 600 doesn't integrate into a completed system more cheaply than a Qualcomm radio + Samsung Exynos ?
They were made to go together. The 800 puts it all in one package, but even in two package there are different R&D and deployment costs. If the 800 cost less than the 600+radio they'd use it but it doesn't.
The needed radio is a primary driver in the SoC selection. That's the difference.
But till date Samsung has never been accused of stealing Apple hardware tech. Its the OS that has them in Apple's cross hair which in turn is supplied by Google.
Contrary to popular opinion that Apple makes hardware, it doesn't. It just integrates them with great style and precision by outsourcing the components and the labor.
At the same time, Samsung's strength is at manufacturing and lacks the ability to conceptualise a great product from scratch. Being involve on their clients' projects, Samsung interacts with their clients as early as the development stage of a product therefore a window to future products of their clients which at the same time are their competitors. To what extent of information is being shared in a project, we won't know, but fact is there is a problem and Samsung acknowledges this by ensuring their clients of their strict internal firewall.
I believe what's more in question here is generally the integrity of Samsung as a trusted partner/supplier.
Why do you hate Samsung? This is a serious question. What horrible, terrible thing has Samsung done to you? You make it sound as if though Samsung came to your house, raped your family, and burned your house down.
Are you the owner of Apple? Are you a majority shareholder? No, I'm not talking about a Joe Schmo who owns a thousand or 2 thousand dollars worth of shares. Stop acting like you're a majority shareholder with influential decisions. People talk as if though they're a majority shareholder when they're a common Joe with a few shares of Apple.
How is Samsung affecting you directly? Are their actions harming you? You love Apple like your child. Is Samsung affecting your wallet when it comes to purchasing Apple products? The iPhone is still $200 for the base model. It's been like that since the 3G and it hasn't changed with the iPhone5. Has anything Samsung done, affect your purchasing power with Apple? No, it hasn't.
Apple has used tons of Samsung products in the past and the Samsung parts have proved to be reliable. Has this not benefited you?
So why do you hate Samsung? What logical, rational logic do you have to spite Samsung when you personally, haven't been affected in any way.
You probably don't know where to start because you apparently don't know enough about the topic.
Samsung does stick with default ARM designs, which means they're behind nVidia, Qualcomm, Marvell, and Apple. Why? Because the other four have licenses to modify the designs in order to improve on them for the intended purposes.
Exynos 5 is fast because it's Cortex-A15. But because it's A15, it's also going to be less power efficient than Krait and Swift-based SoCs. Fast isn't everything.
1) TI does the same as Samsung; they also don't have an architectural license, so they're not allowed to customize the designs.
2) Exynos 4 is slower than both the Krait-based Snapdragon S4s and the Apple A6 per core. The only way A9-based SoCs can barely keep up is by higher clocks, higher power consumption, and twice as many cores.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/5559/...mance-preview-msm8960-adreno-225-benchmarks/2
Sure Apple can. In fact, ARM was founded as a joint venture by Acorn, Apple, and VLSI Technology. Together, they designed and released the ARM6 family.
It's not called "arm 9" or "arm 15"; you must be referring to "Cortex-A9" and "Cortex-A15". Commonly known as "A9" or "A15". Implementations of the ARMv7 architecture.
Samsung didn't do anything special for big.little, they just licensed and built the designs ARM gave them.
Wrong. An A15 was taped-out in 2011 with TSMC, not Samsung. And taping out doesn't mean it's ready to ship; it only means they built the design. Usually the first several of tapeouts are manufactured for the engineering teams to debug. Many first tapeouts of chips don't even work.
Finally, Snapdragon S4 and Apple A6s don't use a stock A15 because the A15 takes too much power.
A15 typically takes 2x-4x more power than Krait and Swift. (http://www.anandtech.com/show/6536/arm-vs-x86-the-real-showdown/8)
As the article also says, even if you downclock A15 to lower the power consumption, it's still questionable whether it'd be possible to dissipate the heat in a phone form factor. Now you know why the Galaxy S4 is so huge.
All wrong. Intel's fab tech far surpasses Samsung's. Heck, Intel's fab tech far surpasses everybody else's. Everybody knows that, even fresh EE college grads. In fact, that's the reason Atom's even able to try to break into the smartphone market at all. Intel doesn't build other people's SoC designs though; why give competitors access to your advantage? All those rumors of Intel fabbing for Apple are just stock analyst fantasy.
As for the "skill to build big.little?" Are you kidding? There's no special skill necessary. Manufacturing-wise, it's no different than any other SoC; it's just cores on a chip.
The fundamental idea behind big.little was thought up decades ago. In the mainframe era. It's not a new idea at all. Besides, it's not even a fresh idea in the mobile space, nVidia's Tegra 3's companion core is an example of that.
Am I the only person who gets fed up with this comment?
It's not funny anymore (if it ever was).
saggsy
I was hoping the childish behavior would end with Steve...
If Samsung was a good part supplier, use them.
If Apple took care of their own house by continuing to be creative and innovate, they wouldn't have to worry about Samsung. Honestly I don't know why they'd worry about Samsung in the first place. Their phones run Android. Android is garbage that looks and feels like a middle school kid coded it during 5th period.
I feel like so many of Apple's "problems" have arisen because they have tried to appeal to the masses. They didn't earn that stockpile of cash by following, but by leading.
Get back to the basics and quit with the ******* games.
/end rant.
Samsung has tried to steal apples patents while ignoring their offers to make agreements. They have actually increased part costs for Apple just because they can and don't like them. Samsung gets all of Apple's secrets in the parts they manufacture. Why would it be a good move to stay with them?
As for the "childish behavior ending with steve" comment.. well that pissed me off. Steve was a genius and is my inspiration. If Steve was a child I hope to be the most childish person on earth.
Source for all you claim ? When/where Samsung tried to steal apple patents and when did they increased "parts" cost because they can ?
You think Apple has people sitting down and designing the components? HA HA.
Samsung haven't increased costs. They can't just do it, there is this magical and resolutionary thing in business called a "contract".
Apple use bog standard generic parts in everything it sells. If they had any hardware that was so special they would have the manufacturer under such a tight NDA.
Steve was nothing more than a bloody salesmen!. Albert Einstein, Stephen Hawking fall into the genii category. Steve Jobs was good at flogging products at top level prices.
Yup. More and more these days.
And neither you nor him know the details of said contract, or if it has been renegotiated. I wouldn't bother talking about it.
They are very likely under a NDA, and Apple does plenty of its own design work.
Genius has a broad definition and does not necessarily apply to what an IQ test would say. Moreover, it's a subjective term anyway.
I would argue Nvidia's implementation is superior. ARM forces you to match your A15 core count with an equal number of A7 cores. So now you have four A7 cores using up die space when you really would probably only want one.
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If a man who denied the very existence of his own daughter for years, not to mention a boatload of other character flaws, is your inspiration then good luck with that.
Jobs was great at running Apple and I am grateful for that. But as a fellow human being? Not so much.
Michael
And i can go on and list Samsung's bad deeds for the past 10 years. I don't hate nothing blindly, bro.