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More Confirmation Verizon iPhone to Launch on January 11th
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I can understand your skepticism, but the mountain of reports that have come through and you still don't think Tues will bring iPhone on VZW?
Oh... here's another:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703667904576072110862862244.html?mod=djemalertTECH
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This is just a crazy point of view. How many major newspapers sight inside sources and are just copying what someone else is reporting without any substantiation? The WSJ, New York Times, etc have editors who don't let reporters write anything based on an unsubstantiated internet report. Give it up already.
You'll probably be in denial until it's been on Verizon for 2 years. What's wrong, stuck with an awful AT&T contract and wish you could go to Verizon?
Verizon boasts 4G LTE coverage in 38 major markets and 60 major airports, and says they'll be aggressively expanding their network to cover their existing 3G footprint by the end of 2013.
AT&T, on the other hand.. seems pretty vague on their plans for initially deploying 4G sometime in mid 2011, and instead makes much ado about their enhanced backhaul in conjunction with their existing 3G network and HSPA+ providing 4G speeds.
Makes perfect sense for Apple to introduce 4G with Verizon... the iPhone 4G
Wouldn't that melt your brain.
Let's face it.. Apple had to develop a new radio for CDMA.. and will be going head to head with a new crop of 4G phones recently announced for Verizon.. so it makes perfect sense for them to include 4G capability with the Verizon phone.
More likely though, the January 11th iPhone for Verizon will just be a CDMA version of the iPhone 4, with the iPhone 5 being released for both networks sometime in the fall.
AT&T, on the other hand.. seems pretty vague on their plans for initially deploying 4G sometime in mid 2011, and instead makes much ado about their enhanced backhaul in conjunction with their existing 3G network and HSPA+ providing 4G speeds.
Makes perfect sense for Apple to introduce 4G with Verizon... the iPhone 4G
Wouldn't that melt your brain.
Let's face it.. Apple had to develop a new radio for CDMA.. and will be going head to head with a new crop of 4G phones recently announced for Verizon.. so it makes perfect sense for them to include 4G capability with the Verizon phone.
More likely though, the January 11th iPhone for Verizon will just be a CDMA version of the iPhone 4, with the iPhone 5 being released for both networks sometime in the fall.
Actually, that is the definition of fair. marcr92, you do have an option: wait til your contract is up. If you don't like it, you should have gone for a T-Mobile no contract setup. Man up.
What? Which economies of scale? HTC comes out with a new phone on the same platform (touchscreen) every 2 months or so. I don't see them collapsing. Apple makes millions of units per month. Product runs are measured in units, not minutes. Economies of scale are about manufacturing runs, and I don't see that as an iPhone issue.
Apple really needs to address 2 things about their presence in the cell phone industry. (1) Only one carrier in the USA. (2) Only one upgrade per year.
1 appears to be fixed as of Tuesday, 2 still needs an improvement. This industry is faster than iPods. They don't even offer much in software upgrades, and this is a platform where that could be an option to fix 2.
As long as you do the same when it is.
Why? I'm an AAPL stockholder. I've wanted the phone on as many carriers as possible since January 9, 2007.
If proof is what you are looking for, me thinks you have the wrong website.
Every other manufacturer sells phones to carriers in offset cycles. Why wouldn't Apple? Why would it not make sense for Verizon or AT&T to try to secure some sort of exclusivity to new features. It would make even more sense if Apple were to get paid for a setup like this.
As long as you do the same when it is.
Because you've been one of the loudest of Verizon iPhone doubters.
Who said anything about a company collapsing? And when they do this, do the immediately discontinue the previous models? Are you telling me that HTC models are only sold 2-3 months before being discontinued?
The economies of scale would be producing enough CDMA iPhones for long enough periods of time to see cost decreases in parts like the CDMA radio. If the rumors are true and these phones are being manufactured by Pegatron, this becomes all the more important. If it's a simple module change in an existing factory, not so much. But then you have issues with keeping up with demand (as if they aren't already).
Doesn't anyone find it odd that the RSVP email address for the Verizon Wireless event is not one from Verizon, but webershandwick.com?
Even if Web Shandwick was Verizon's PR company, they would never use their own domain name for the email.
Even if Web Shandwick was Verizon's PR company, they would never use their own domain name for the email.
Don't think so. Apple brought out the original iPhone with EDGE because they thought 3G was not widespread enough. This will be 100% be another iPhone 4, with maybe the antenna issue fixed, and in June either the iPhone 4S or iPhone 4G.
Just a note:
3G was widespread overseas at the time, and in fact EDGE was difficult to find in places like the UK, making many new iPhone users drop back to simple GPRS.
Apple left out 3G in the first phone primarily to save on costs in R&D, chipsets, and license fees. This was obvious not only to some of us engineers, but to analysts. As Piper-Jaffrey said at the time:
"... we believe Apple was forced to decide not to use the 3G standard in order to keep the price down. We estimate that a 3G-based iPhone would cost an additional $100. Eventually, however, we believe Apple will reap the benefits of economies of scale and favorable component markets and release a 3G model. "
They also correctly predicted its price drop and sales in Europe. But the most interesting observation they made was this:
"Apple will need to develop other versions of the iPhone for these markets (CDMA, etc.), which the company will likely also sell to other U.S. wireless carriers just after or even before the exclusive deal with Cingular ends."
No, I actually like AT&T. I switched from Verizon to Cingular (now AT&T), because Verizon has so many dead spot in MA. I have not dropped one call on my iPhone 4 in my travels (I'm on the road, traveling in different state 2 - 3 weeks a month and spend a lot of time in Palo Alto, CA and NYC).
I for one would love the iPhone to be on the Verizon network, just to watch Google reaction. Yes, Google's reaction, because the iPhone on Verizon's network would hurt all of the carrier mfg's who make Android devices. They're struggling as it is.
The devil you know vs. the one you dont iPhone coming to Verizon
(From my blog: http://blog.fabgraphics.com/?p=226)
There is little doubt Verizon and Apple will announce the coming of iPhone 4G (not to be confused with a 4G iPhone, which would be totally different) to the Verizon network on Jan. 11, 2011 at 11 a.m. Eastern (1/11/11 at 11, for numerologist lots of ones there). The question for me, however, is what to do with my iPhone service.
Ive had my 3G iPhone for two years now. I was one of the lucky who were given the opportunity to upgrade their iPhone after only 18 months, but I stayed pat on my plan, awaiting to see what Apples next move was. Now the question is does it make sense to jump ship from AT&T for Verizon or should I just stay where I am and upgrade into a new AT&T contract.
Heres the problem, as I see it. I know what I have in AT&T. I know where it doesnt work. I know when the phone is going to drop. I know when the data services will rock and when it wont. I dont know what I will get by moving to Verizon, however.
I live in the hills where service is sketchy anyway. My iPhone works pretty well from my house. Just about anywhere in the house or in the yard, it works. Very rarely do I not have service. The rest of my household has Sprint phones which just dont work at home. If we walk out into the middle of the street out front of our house, then the Sprint phones sort of work, but in the house or in the yard, no way.
So, there is my dilemma. While having data is important on my iPhone and using it on the WiFi network at home works great, if I cant get calls from my clients at home, its pretty useless to me. What happens if I decide to switch and for the next two years, the phone part of my smartPHONE doesnt work? What if its worse than Sprint at my house?
What? What? What to do?
Maybe there will be some other great reason to switch. Maybe the service will be cheaper. Maybe Ill be able to tether with unlimited data on the Verizon network. Maybe it will be a 4G phone. Im really not holding my breath on any of these things, but who knows.
If someone has experience with Verizon, especially in San Carlos, I would love to hear.
In any case, Ill wait until Tuesday and see what Apple and Verizon has planed.
(From my blog: http://blog.fabgraphics.com/?p=226)
There is little doubt Verizon and Apple will announce the coming of iPhone 4G (not to be confused with a 4G iPhone, which would be totally different) to the Verizon network on Jan. 11, 2011 at 11 a.m. Eastern (1/11/11 at 11, for numerologist lots of ones there). The question for me, however, is what to do with my iPhone service.
Ive had my 3G iPhone for two years now. I was one of the lucky who were given the opportunity to upgrade their iPhone after only 18 months, but I stayed pat on my plan, awaiting to see what Apples next move was. Now the question is does it make sense to jump ship from AT&T for Verizon or should I just stay where I am and upgrade into a new AT&T contract.
Heres the problem, as I see it. I know what I have in AT&T. I know where it doesnt work. I know when the phone is going to drop. I know when the data services will rock and when it wont. I dont know what I will get by moving to Verizon, however.
I live in the hills where service is sketchy anyway. My iPhone works pretty well from my house. Just about anywhere in the house or in the yard, it works. Very rarely do I not have service. The rest of my household has Sprint phones which just dont work at home. If we walk out into the middle of the street out front of our house, then the Sprint phones sort of work, but in the house or in the yard, no way.
So, there is my dilemma. While having data is important on my iPhone and using it on the WiFi network at home works great, if I cant get calls from my clients at home, its pretty useless to me. What happens if I decide to switch and for the next two years, the phone part of my smartPHONE doesnt work? What if its worse than Sprint at my house?
What? What? What to do?
Maybe there will be some other great reason to switch. Maybe the service will be cheaper. Maybe Ill be able to tether with unlimited data on the Verizon network. Maybe it will be a 4G phone. Im really not holding my breath on any of these things, but who knows.
If someone has experience with Verizon, especially in San Carlos, I would love to hear.
In any case, Ill wait until Tuesday and see what Apple and Verizon has planed.
Do what everyone should before considering another carrier: try it out. Borrow a friend's phone.
For example, my wife wanted an iPhone when they first came out. So she got a friend who had one, and she tried it out from the passenger seat while they drove through her usual routes to work, the salon, store, etc.
Turned out that it dropped calls at the scariest locations along the winding roads, so she changed her mind.
The same routes have full Verizon coverage, so a VZ iPhone should work for her.
Just FYI, VZW is reducing the trial period down to 14 days.
http://www.droid-life.com/2011/01/08/verizons-return-policy-changing-to-14-days/
HTC makes models for every carrier, they are not identical. That is the potential for Apple, here, starting up with a 2nd model of iPhone at the same time. Hence, my use of them as an example.
6-8 months (if announced tomorrow, shipping this month, mfgring began a couple months ago) is not a too-limited period of time, not in these quantities. They won't need or see much cost decrease because Apple generally starts ordering at a very high volume for things like this, and CDMA radios are not new.
I believe we know for a fact that Apple makes a profit on each iPhone. A CDMA version for half a year will not damage that.
Not sure how your math works, but the actual sales time would only be 5 months. Manufacturing would end before the beging of the next device unless they kept is as a cheaper model.
Yes, they make profit, but the longer a model is manufactured and sold the greater that profit. They have targets for these things and they will not change that just to rollout 2 CDMA iPhones in such a short term.
I honestly don't see the logic here. Why would you guys think Apple would release 2 CDMA iPhones in such a short period? Makes no sense.
I won't hold my breath but will play the wait and see game on this one. I'm ready either way pass or fail.