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If I am correct, Firewire 800 is being eliminated because USB2 has comparable speeds (and is backwards compatible with USB 1.1, thus requiring only one port unlike FW400/FW800) and very few companies are manufacturing products with FW800 support, so it makes sense to use the space for something else useful and practical for mobility. FW800 support is still presently in the towers.CholEoptera36 said:
One more thing! --sorry had to.
Speaking of heat.....If the heat output is the same and the battery life is the same after running dualcores and an X1600 graphics card (which i assume is quite hot), Then i will be quite impressed
Randall said:Who in the hell said anything about being cooler??? If anything it's gonna be hotter. Do you like it HOT?
Seriously, I believe they run just as hot as the G4s did.
Speaking of heat.....If the heat output is the same and the battery life is the same after running dualcores and an X1600 graphics card (which i assume is quite hot), Then i will be quite impressed
I wonder if the lesser, single layer DVD writer really is necessary due to the form factor? Even Steve said it was only a "hair" thinner than the 17" G4 powerbook, which had the dual layer drive. Here's my theory: The g4 processor cost apple around $50; the Core Duo costs apple more like $200 (there are plenty of other threads with these prices). Apple's got to cut costs other places, and even then they're not getting the markup they used to get.
Randall said:Who in the hell said anything about being cooler??? If anything it's gonna be hotter. Do you like it HOT?
Seriously, I believe they run just as hot as the G4s did.
If that was true why did they choose to eliminate the cooling vents along the side of the laptop? I think what really sucks the power is that screen and video card.
Laslo Panaflex said:
I never noticed that about 10.4.4! Startup Disk in System Prefs is different now...huh...
Nope. FW400 and USB2 are close in terms of speed [400Mbps vs 480Mbps peak] (though the maximum USB speed is rarely reached in practice). FW800 blows both of them out of the water. Would have made much more sense to keep USB2 and FW800 (since it's backwards compatible with FW400), but FW800 probably wasn't available in the short time.Mr Maui said:
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rosalindavenue said:
Or it's probably because the new drive is serial ATA and they didn't have a drive of that sort in the form factor they needed. (It was just ATA on the powerbook)
Stewie said:So did anyone see the quote from The Cult of Mac Blog on Wired.com
"He also said that if he were me, he probably wouldn't order one of the new MacBook Pros."
I wonder what that means?
That could mean anything. For example, my sister has a 14 inch 1st Gen iBook. I asked her if she wanted my 15 inch (I'm moving to MBP) and she says she doesn't. That she wants a 12 inch iBook.
Now taking that situation and knowing my sister. If she asked me if she should buy a MBP I would say no because there might be a new iBook that's 12 inch. She'd get massive buyers remorse if she bought a MBP and found out later she could have bought a 12inch ibook later and for less.
I just got an external fw800 drive and it knocks the socks off my fw 400 hd. Plus the drive itself is more adaptable... hds or cd rom drivesRandall said:
suntzu said:
i think you're right there. there will be 12", 17" mac book pro's, soon there will be ibook's (or whatever they call them). so if you don't absolutely want a 15" book then don't compromise and wait.
No Its Not
firewire has higher maintained rates of data transfer than usb 2. It is an industry standard on most video cameras. Firewire will be around for a long time to come and eventually, fw 800 will become more accepted. it is still a flegeling technology.
FIREWIRE IS NOT DYING!!!!!!bubbalwz said:
firewire has higher maintained rates of data transfer than usb 2. It is an industry standard on most video cameras. Firewire will be around for a long time to come and eventually, fw 800 will become more accepted. it is still a flegeling technology.
FW800 via ExpressCard slot...
Most users don't use FW800 and for those that do need it you can get an ExpressCard that supports FW800. ExpressCard has pins for a 2.5Gbps PCIe link (single lane) and a USB 2.0 link (480Mbps). FireWire 800 is 800Mbps so ExpressCards have the bandwidth and I believe power connections.
Most users don't use FW800 and for those that do need it you can get an ExpressCard that supports FW800. ExpressCard has pins for a 2.5Gbps PCIe link (single lane) and a USB 2.0 link (480Mbps). FireWire 800 is 800Mbps so ExpressCards have the bandwidth and I believe power connections.
Peace said:You want the REAL theory ?
HD-DVD/Blue Ray on the way.
Yep - that's what I'm waiting for before I buy my next Mac.
Randall said:What would be the point to completely redesign the form? I think the form is basically perfect the way it is/was. The intel switch is the best thing Apple has ever done, and it will be proven to you with speed increases you never thought possible.
Ok not completely redesign the form, but change it up a bit, it looks too much like the G4. From far away, you wouldn't be able to tell if it's a G4 or Intel one. Also, I think not including the modem was a bad idea. OK maybe for desktops, but not so much for laptops. Yes, a lot of areas have high-speed or wireless, but some remote locations do not. On the road, a good backup would be dialup. Or, using your cell phone to use the modem to dial up. You can't now without an external one...
But why, other than for marketing reasons?MacFan782040 said:
Admittedly, I too am disappointed that there is no new form factor. But I can't really think of any major new functionality that would require a different form factor.
As other's have suggested, there will be bigger changes in the pipeline. Apple's first challenge was to get the software working with the new hardware and create a smooth platform for the transition. Now that the foundation is there, I think you'll see Apple bring out new technologies and designs.
We'll likley not see FW800 return. Intel doesn't have FW800 support in their controllers thus Apple would have to design this themselves. Time being the likely issue here Apple likely decided to get moving on the new laptops.
FW800 is great for drives and if you're a Pro using a Firewire box you likely are doing fine with FW400
http://www.aja.com/products_Io.html
I think that we're moving to external SATA and FW800 will be an option for Expresscard/34
The DL thing is strange but DL discs are still expensive and in short supply. I'd have loved to see a Dock for the new laptops as well.
I'd give Apple a 85 out of 100 on this laptop. People are forgetting that we've jumped from a single G4 to a dual core with 256MB graphics. That's something else...especially considering the battery life should be equivalent if not better.
FW800 is great for drives and if you're a Pro using a Firewire box you likely are doing fine with FW400
http://www.aja.com/products_Io.html
I think that we're moving to external SATA and FW800 will be an option for Expresscard/34
The DL thing is strange but DL discs are still expensive and in short supply. I'd have loved to see a Dock for the new laptops as well.
I'd give Apple a 85 out of 100 on this laptop. People are forgetting that we've jumped from a single G4 to a dual core with 256MB graphics. That's something else...especially considering the battery life should be equivalent if not better.
I think (if it's not all hot air) that he means new sizes are coming, and you should wait and see.Stewie said:So did anyone see the quote from The Cult of Mac Blog on Wired.com
"He also said that if he were me, he probably wouldn't order one of the new MacBook Pros."
I wonder what that means?
Why so excited about new sizes? Maybe they are different sizes: like the 17" being replaced by a 20", and the 12" by either an ultraslim or a 13" widescreen.
If I were forced to guess I'd say he knows about a 20" MacBook that he is personally really excited about. Nothing more than that. But it would still be cool if it happens. (Talk about cookie trays!
)But the 17" is a different internal design. It does show that a DL drive can be gotten into a Mac of that thickness... but what else would have to be sacrificed if they did so? The GPU? The battery? Remember that the 17" has room to spare--much larger in volume than the MacBook Pro. So what is underneath the Superdrive of a MacBook Pro? I don't know--but I bet it's not airDVK916 said:
sfwalter said:
If you hold down the option key when you first power on a Mac you will go into a special screen that will display all bootable partitions found on internal and external media. It can take a little while to scan if you have many partitions/disks connected to the system but it works.
You can use it to switch between operating system installs without having to use the "startup disk" system preference.
-Shawn